First Time 12 Site Ebb And Grogro

[Midwestjay]

That's what I was actually looking at, and no night feeds.

I think I would feed at night maybe not as much or as long buy at least a couple times to keep it wet.

 

[wasfromks]

I think I would feed at night maybe not as much or as long buy at least a couple times to keep it wet.

I see what you saying.

 

[superskunk4u]

Soooo I'm just going to adopt this one from halfway across the world ok :) make sure u look after it for me man lol

 

[Irie Farmer]

I want to open up into what you said before, how some of those elements are at their peak with ph in the 6's. Now that is obviously correct based on that chart posted too. My question would be is it ok for your plant to consume all those elements at those doses all at once? Let me say the question again like this, at what point (ph) is too much and for how long can they sustain at that level of ph? For example if my ph during veg is at 5.6 and raises over time to 6.2 can I just let them stay at that level for good? Then my last question, sorry for so many, lets say its been 10 days or so and I want to dump and start with a fresh rez. I would start my ph low and let it build up all over again, correct?

It's good until the next rez change, unless it's getting up into the high 6's which I don't think will happen in 7-10 days. Some people go 2 weeks without a change but without a chiller and with the amount of water you're moving through your system I think that's stretching it a bit and things will get slimey but it could be fine, you'll just have to see how it feels and if it gets that funky aquarium smell happening. That's why I suggested trying to fill it to the point where you aren't going to waste a lot of good nutrients until your girls are really thirsty. It's going to be a little while before you need a full rez but I don't know your system well enough to make a recommendation on how much it needs to operate correctly to fill all 12 sites. In other words, does it need to be nearly full to get the 12 sites to ebb, or can you just fill it halfway for now until you are using most of your solution before it's time for a change? You'll also have to see how much buffering your nutrients are giving you so you aren't climbing too high which is also debatable as to what's too high but I find the 6.5 range to be the highest I'm comfortable with. I have had it climb to 7.0 in a week though with no ill effects but I did lower it back to 5.8 until I changed it again so they weren't at 7 for more than 24 hours and it's hard to say that I would have had a problem but when I checked it and it was that high it was my gut reaction to lower it immediately when it very well could have been fine for another two days. Thanks for the chart by the way.

 

[Midwestjay]

It's good until the next rez change, unless it's getting up into the high 6's which I don't think will happen in 7-10 days. Some people go 2 weeks without a change but without a chiller and with the amount of water you're moving through your system I think that's stretching it a bit and things will get slimey but it could be fine, you'll just have to see how it feels and if it gets that funky aquarium smell happening. That's why I suggested trying to fill it to the point where you aren't going to waste a lot of good nutrients until your girls are really thirsty. It's going to be a little while before you need a full rez but I don't know your system well enough to make a recommendation on how much it needs to operate correctly to fill all 12 sites. In other words, does it need to be nearly full to get the 12 sites to ebb, or can you just fill it halfway for now until you are using most of your solution before it's time for a change? You'll also have to see how much buffering your nutrients are giving you so you aren't climbing too high which is also debatable as to what's too high but I find the 6.5 range to be the highest I'm comfortable with. I have had it climb to 7.0 in a week though with no ill effects but I did lower it back to 5.8 until I changed it again so they weren't at 7 for more than 24 hours and it's hard to say that I would have had a problem but when I checked it and it was that high it was my gut reaction to lower it immediately when it very well could have been fine for another two days. Thanks for the chart by the way.

I agree with all that. What are your views on ph level during veg and flower. I've been told to keep it in the lower range for veg and upper range in flower? Also what are your views on ppm dropping as water level drops. I know when ppm drops it means she's eating. So is it better to have it dropping fast. Or raising the ppm to begin with so that it's hardly dropping at all?

 

[Irie Farmer]

@Irie Farmer thanks for that info. Kinda what I've found out myself over the years. I really believe I'm lowering ppm the last week, but only flush for a few days the plant usually tells me it's time to come down. I could never see flushing that long in hydro... I mean wouldn't that really hurt yield/qualit?

Definitely IME it has and you might not know what yields you're losing if you don't let them get that final swell when they are trying to reproduce but if they don't have the energy to do so they won't if only given a diet of RO for the crucial last phase of bloom.

 

[Irie Farmer]

I want to open up into what you said before, how some of those elements are at their peak with ph in the 6's. Now that is obviously correct based on that chart posted too. My question would be is it ok for your plant to consume all those elements at those doses all at once? Let me say the question again like this, at what point (ph) is too much and for how long can they sustain at that level of ph? For example if my ph during veg is at 5.6 and raises over time to 6.2 can I just let them stay at that level for good? Then my last question, sorry for so many, lets say its been 10 days or so and I want to dump and start with a fresh rez. I would start my ph low and let it build up all over again, correct?

Exactly

 

[Irie Farmer]

I agree with all that. What are your views on ph level during veg and flower. I've been told to keep it in the lower range for veg and upper range in flower? Also what are your views on ppm dropping as water level drops. I know when ppm drops it means she's eating. So is it better to have it dropping fast. Or raising the ppm to begin with so that it's hardly dropping at all?

Depends really but I can see where you can have more P and K available at a higher pH but I've also run into problems with a higher pH I'm thinking due to other nutes being locked out. I'm running CES 3 part Micro and Bloom and using H3ad's method of 6/9 for the whole grow. 6ml Micro 9ml Bloom and cal/mag and Silica Blast in veg and Floralicous Plus, Bud Candy or Sweet Raw in bloom but staying at the same ratio of base. The Micro is 6-0-0 and the Bloom is 0-6-5 for a 6-6-5 ratio which seems to be working like a charm. I use a PK boost at around day 15 and let it run in the rez for a week to 10 days and lower the base and then again around day 30. Then back to 6/9 micro/bloom Floralicous Plus and Bud Candy until flush. Nice and simple with optimal results, no deficiencies and no lockout or toxicity and the CES seems to have a lower salt buildup than the GH 3 part so easy to flush. I plan on sticking with this regiment until maybe giving the RAW powders a run. Each nutrient, supplement and additive are separate giving you complete control. Just going to crunch the numbers and see the price difference and might do a side by side comparison. Best, Irie.

 

[Irie Farmer]

I think I would feed at night maybe not as much or as long buy at least a couple times to keep it wet.

I feed at lights on 6 hours later and then in the middle of the dark cycle. So, yep.

 

[wasfromks]

Ok so my rez prior was at 40 gal. There was slime and ppm was high. I drained it all. 25 gallon rez fill. Ph 5.4 ppm is super low compared to prior. Only to wake up for perfect timing. My flood cycle was in process when I opened the tent and my dumbass had a line in the way of the floats and buckets were over flowing. I maybe lost a gallon, but it's a nightmare cleaning up a mistake like that in my condition.

 

[Midwestjay]

Ok so my rez prior was at 40 gal. There was slime and ppm was high. I drained it all. 25 gallon rez fill. Ph 5.4 ppm is super low compared to prior. Only to wake up for perfect timing. My flood cycle was in process when I opened the tent and my dumbass had a line in the way of the floats and buckets were over flowing. I maybe lost a gallon, but it's a nightmare cleaning up a mistake like that in my condition.

Damn sorry brother. I've been there, it's easy for something like that too happen. But you know what to look for now

 

[Midwestjay]

Ok so my rez prior was at 40 gal. There was slime and ppm was high. I drained it all. 25 gallon rez fill. Ph 5.4 ppm is super low compared to prior. Only to wake up for perfect timing. My flood cycle was in process when I opened the tent and my dumbass had a line in the way of the floats and buckets were over flowing. I maybe lost a gallon, but it's a nightmare cleaning up a mistake like that in my condition.

Shit I didn't think about your back. I recommend that hydroguard to prevent the slime. And eventually a chiller since you're so serious about growing. But I've never ran a chiller. My previous setup I used a dehumidifier for a chiller. You gotta take them apart and bend the cool side coil where it can be put into the water. But it was like running a window unit so it didn't last long. I just ain't paying a light bill that is that much higher if I can get great results with just hydroguard

 

[wasfromks]

Shit I didn't think about your back. I recommend that hydroguard to prevent the slime. And eventually a chiller since you're so serious about growing. But I've never ran a chiller. My previous setup I used a dehumidifier for a chiller. You gotta take them apart and bend the cool side coil where it can be put into the water. But it was like running a window unit so it didn't last long. I just ain't paying a light bill that is that much higher if I can get great results with just hydroguard

Yeah my neck and shoulders are killing me. I'm afraid I'm down for the count today fam. The ladies do look good. Got a little yellow in the leaves, my guess is from doing a dump. I desperately rinsed the whole system but didn't think to uses balanced water. I think they will be just fine. Several lessons learned from this. Catch you folks in a while I gotta lay down.

 

[Midwestjay]

Yeah my neck and shoulders are killing me. I'm afraid I'm down for the count today fam. The ladies do look good. Got a little yellow in the leaves, my guess is from doing a dump. I desperately rinsed the whole system but didn't think to uses balanced water. I think they will be just fine. Several lessons learned from this. Catch you folks in a while I gotta lay down.

I rinse with regular ro. No ph. Yellowing in the tip is probably high ppm. The whole leaf is probably a deficiency.

 

[wasfromks]

I rinsed with regular ro. No ph. Yellowing in the tip is probably high ppm. The whole leaf is probably a deficiency.

I didn't use ro either :-\ btw I forgot about the ro slow trickle water. Make sure to get a ro fill tank. If you dont then yes it will take forever. I used up my fill tank and it was the longest waiting time. If that tank is full it's a good flow. Theres a sealed bladder in the tank and when the ro fills it the pressure is pushed on that bladder so when you start to use your water it has good pressure. It took maybe 40-60 mins to fill with an empty tank. With the fill tank full it was maybe 10 minutes and that's pushing it.

 

[Midwestjay]

I didn't use ro either :-\ btw I forgot about the ro slow trickle water. Make sure to get a ro fill tank. If you dont then yes it will take forever. I used up my fill tank and it was the longest waiting time. If that tank is full it's a good flow. Theres a sealed bladder in the tank and when the ro fills it the pressure is pushed on that bladder so when you start to use your water it has good pressure. It took maybe 40-60 mins to fill with an empty tank. With the fill tank full it was maybe 10 minutes and that's pushing it.

Yea you can adjust the outside in the tank to

 

[wasfromks]

Yea you can adjust the outside in the tank to

Yeah I just thought rinsing the system for a little while wouldn't hurt. I basically turned on the fill pump, flooded the buckets. Once all the sites and controller buckets were full I left the fill pump on and turnes on a dump pump. So all the water being pumped in was being pumped out. The whole time I'm doing this I was running fresh tap into my rez where my fill pump was cycling all that unbalanced un filtered water. There was a lot of slime building up, so I thought do this to clean the system of a bunch of that build up. It did work, but it was water wasteful, and stressed the ladies a little bit. I dont want to repeat. I had way toooooo much water in the rez. 25 gallons is a good fill point from here on out. Tomorrow I will go get this hydroguard.

 

[wasfromks]

I will probably go approximately another week or so before I kick it into veg. So consider this a pre veg. I dont have a veg room or anything for starters, so this will be that process. Hopefully this hydroguard is really good stuff.

 

[wasfromks]

Day 7 of pre veg. Out of root 66. and the local shop didn't have any. Substituted with 1 cup BushDoctor Kangaroots from fox farm. 1cup of Sugar Daddy from technaflora. 2tbs of Hydroguard. 25 gallons of ro. Ph is 5.5 ppm is 181. They were a little abused the other night. I'm an idiot. Rooky mistakes, hopefully I dont make anymore that costly. Very important you dont have your floats blocked by anything, power cords from pumps. It's ok, back on track and the ladies are looking good imo.

 

[Midwestjay]

Day 7 of pre veg. Out of root 66. and the local shop didn't have any. Substituted with 1 cup BushDoctor Kangaroots from fox farm. 1cup of Sugar Daddy from technaflora. 2tbs of Hydroguard. 25 gallons of ro. Ph is 5.5 ppm is 181. They were a little abused the other night. I'm an idiot. Rooky mistakes, hopefully I dont make anymore that costly. Very important you dont have your floats blocked by anything, power cords from pumps. It's ok, back on track and the ladies are looking good imo. View attachment 585056 View attachment 585057 View attachment 585058 View attachment 585059 View attachment 585060 View attachment 585061

Sounds like a plan man. Don't worry about mistakes or having a perfect grow. Cause you'll have great results even if it ain't perfect. They look good bro.