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mendel said:
I could care less is cali left the union, not my fight, or my dog. But from the outside looking in, I have to ask, how would california maintain its collective quality of life without federal monies? I have been following downtown jerry brown and the cali state budget for some time, and its a wreck. Im not picking, but I wonder if this succession thing has been thought thru as to the end result.
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California would have MORE money if 22 percent of the taxes sent to DC weren't siphoned off for weaker states. California is the sixth largest economy in the world, right now.
 
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FenderSuper said:
California would have MORE money if 22 percent of the taxes sent to DC weren't siphoned off for weaker states. California is the sixth largest economy in the world, right now.
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The US is the second largest economy in the world, and has a multi trillion dollar deficit. Kick the can might be fun in the school yard, but in the real world it doesnt work for shit. The piper gets paid in the end.

I do not think california can maintain its entitlement programs and pay its public employee retirement obligations along with its reg needs without a yuuuge tax increase. This in turn would drive producing tax paying individuals and companies from the state leaving nothing but the non productive class, who cant seem to fend for themselves.

I could be wrong, but I think im not.

Is there a website that shows how an independent california is going to finance itself? I am curious to see if there is a concrete plan.
 
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Here it is boys, the cali seccession manifesto

THE CASE FOR INDEPENDENCE IN 9 SIMPLE POINTS
Being a U.S. state is no longer serving California’s best interests. On issues ranging from peace and security to natural resources and the environment, it has become increasingly true that California would be better off as an independent country. Here’s a summary of why we think so.

1. PEACE AND SECURITY
The U.S. Government spends more on its military than the next several countries combined. Not only is California forced to subsidize this massive military budget with our taxes, but Californians are sent off to fight in wars that often do more to perpetuate terrorism than to abate it. The only reason terrorists might want to attack us is because we are part of the United States and are guilty by association. Not being a part of that country will make California a less likely target of retaliation by its enemies.

2. ELECTIONS AND GOVERNMENT
California’s electoral votes haven’t affected a presidential election since 1876. On top of that, presidential election results are often known before our votes are even counted. So, why should we keep subjecting ourselves to presidents we play no role in electing, to 382 representatives and 98 senators we can’t vote for, and all the government officials and federal judges appointed by those very same people we don’t elect.

3. TRADE AND REGULATION
The U.S. Government maintains a burdensome trade system that hurts California’s economy by making trade more difficult and more expensive for California’s businesses. As long as California remains within this burdensome trade system, we will never be able to capitalize on the trade and investment opportunities that would be available to us as an independent country. On top of that, the United States is dragging California into the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement which conflicts with our values.

4. DEBT AND TAXES
Since 1987, California has been subsidizing the other states at a loss of tens and sometimes hundreds of billions of dollars in a single fiscal year. As a result, we are often forced to raise taxes and charge fees in California, and borrow money from the future to make up the difference. This is partly why California presently has some of the highest taxes in the country, and so much debt. Independence means that all of our taxes will be kept in California based on the priorities we set, and we will be able to do so while repaying our debts and phasing out the current state income tax.

5. IMMIGRATION
California is the most diverse state in the United States and that is something we are proud of. This diversity is a central part of our culture and an indispensable part of our economy. As a U.S. state, our immigration system was largely designed by the 49 other states thirty years ago. This immigration system has since neglected the needs of the California economy and has hurt too many California families. Independence means California will be able to decide what immigration policies make sense for our diverse and unique population, culture, and economy, and that we’ll be able to build an immigration system that is consistent with our values.

6. NATURAL RESOURCES
Certain minerals and other natural resources like coal, oil, and natural gas are being extracted from California at below market value rates by private corporations with the permission of the U.S. Government. While a small portion of the revenue is shared with us, our share has been withheld during times of sequestration. That means the U.S. Government is paying their debts with royalties collected from selling off California’s natural resources. Independence means we will gain control of the 46% of California that is currently owned by the U.S. Government and its agencies. We will therefore take control of our natural resources and be the sole beneficiary of royalties collected if and when they are extracted from our lands.

7. THE ENVIRONMENT
California is a global leader on environmental issues. However, as long as the other states continue debating whether or not climate change is real, they will continue holding up real efforts to reduce carbon emissions. The truth is this country accounts for less than five percent of the world’s population yet consumes one-third of the world’s paper, a quarter of the world’s oil, 27 percent of the aluminum, 23 percent of the coal, and 19 percent of the copper. Independence means California will be able to negotiate treaties to not only reduce the human impact on our climate but also to help build global resource sustainability.

8. HEALTH AND MEDICINE
The Affordable Care Act was enacted by the U.S. Government to lower the cost of health care and expand health insurance coverage to the uninsured, yet millions of Californians still lack access to quality health care because they can’t afford it. For many, access to hospitals and medicine is a life or death issue. Independence means we can fund the health care programs we want and ensure everyone has access to the medicines they need because our taxes will no longer be subsidizing other states. Finally, California can join the rest of the industrialized world in guaranteeing health care as a universal right for all of our people.

9. EDUCATION
California has some of the best universities but in various ways, our schools are among the worst in the country. Not only does this deprive our children of the education they deserve, but it also costs taxpayers billions in social services and law enforcement expenses linked to lacking opportunities resulting from poor education. Independence means we will be able to fully fund public education, rebuild and modernize public schools, and pay public school teachers the salaries they deserve. On top of that, independence means freedom from federal education policies and one-size-fits-all standards set by political appointees on the other side of the continent.
 
#11,351
mendel said:
I did not realize how bad us mouthbreathers out here in flyover country were fucking over the fine folk in california. I appreciate the manifesto author for pointing out our shortcomings.
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I'm for California leaving after reading that BS............ peeps who believe that need to live in a 3rd world country for a few years...........
 
#11,354
Hey, on a happy stoner moment, look what I found online! Ain't had any of these since I was a youngin'. Taste just like they used to.
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#11,360
I personally think California ,New Mexico, and Arizona ,and Texas should be given back to Mexico. We took it in the Spanish American war . and I think it's time to give it back. In my stoned opinion.
Back to Kravens grow .
 
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