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New "grow Beast" From Sun Light Supply

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#81
I don't disagree with you there bud I agree it probably does grow fatter buds than a single de fixture. What I am saying is ideally yout would have height control of all 3 fixtures.
 
#82
ArcticOrange said:
I don't disagree with you there bud I agree it probably does grow fatter buds than a single de fixture. What I am saying is ideally yout would have height control of all 3 fixtures.
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But how about a 600 de in the middle of them 315's? Wouldn't the height issue be leveled out with this setup?
 
#83
After thinking about it some...and running 6/750 gavitas myself...that Grow Beast fixture is much too close together for all 3 lamps and i know for a fact the sweet spot height for a 6/750 Gavita is at least 30 inches above canopy. 28 or 24 and it can be too much for canopy tops. Iam not sure but i dont think a 315 cmh has to be that far away (30") from canopy. I heard about 18 to 22 for cmh 315 watters was goldie locks zone. So that GB fixture would render the 315 cmh bulbs ineffective or half as much anyways in order to keep that center DE bulb from cooking tops. And with a 1000 watt DE ....forget it. Now with a light mover/rail system...whole different story.
 
#84
Pimples said:
After thinking about it some...and running 6/750 gavitas myself...that Grow Beast fixture is much too close together for all 3 lamps and i know for a fact the sweet spot height for a 6/750 Gavita is at least 30 inches above canopy. 28 or 24 and it can be too much for canopy tops. Iam not sure but i dont think a 315 cmh has to be that far away (30") from canopy. I heard about 18 to 22 for cmh 315 watters was goldie locks zone. So that GB fixture would render the 315 cmh bulbs ineffective or half as much anyways in order to keep that center DE bulb from cooking tops. And with a 1000 watt DE ....forget it. Now with a light mover/rail system...whole different story.
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Just a lot of configurations....
I posted this question on my thread, just to promote conversation and insight, into lights, using different ones together... So im gonna post it here, if anyone would like to chime in... I also realize we are talking about opinions here, so everybody keep an open mind for discussion...

JUST REMEMBER, THE AREA IS 4X8X6 GROW TENT! That is the area you have to work with...



I always come back to the issue of bulb life...
One thing is for sure I will agree with you on..
it is better to have multiple lights of a lesser wattage,
than 1 or 2 of high wattage...

We talked one time about gpw,
and gram per Sq foot...
We kinda just barely touched the surface...
So in this, im gonna guess we are more concerned on how much is achievable from a giving amount of space if all varibles are accounted for and tuned in... which in this case is 4x8x6

So the question,
What would yield more?
We are gonna do a little comparing.
We are gonna make all the variables the same
EXCEPT the light...
And for my reference we will use my setups configuration...
So 4x8x6 tent
c02 1200-1500
Ac controlled
rh controlled

We will assume your the grower, and you are using what ever growing technique you would use in this situation,


So here is our selections....

1. (2) hps 1000 (super horti bulbs)

2. (3) hps 600 (super horti bulbs)

3. (4) cmh 315 (Phillips bulbs)

5 . (2) cmh 630 and a 600 de (with the optional wide throw reflector)

6. (6) cmh 315's staggered = = = (Phillips bulbs)

Maybe there is even some more configurations im not thinking of..
I think it would be wise of me to note, and get your comment, as to
some of there are a overkill of light IF NOT for running c02, eh right?
I dont want to send nobody shopping for a light to big without understanding that..

I also know that there is a huge difference in upfront costs for these, which would play a factor in the decision a person would make. Some would also run cooler saving money on AC, but by how much is the question. AC is expensive.
So the question isnt which is the best choice upfront money wise, but yield, and yield only...
This is more along the lines of which would yield better because of light distribution, spectrum, and heat dissipation....
So if you were having a yield contest with your buddies but you got free pick of what lights to use, which do you think would be the top performer?

I also know I left out leds...
You can chime in on a setup of them too, if you think they could out perform the other light configurations...

Well i got to hit Mcds,, but i be back in an hr to follow up...
 
#85
EventHorizan said:
Just a lot of configurations....
I posted this question on my thread, just to promote conversation and insight, into lights, using different ones together... So im gonna post it here, if anyone would like to chime in... I also realize we are talking about opinions here, so everybody keep an open mind for discussion...

JUST REMEMBER, THE AREA IS 4X8X6 GROW TENT! That is the area you have to work with...



I always come back to the issue of bulb life...
One thing is for sure I will agree with you on..
it is better to have multiple lights of a lesser wattage,
than 1 or 2 of high wattage...

We talked one time about gpw,
and gram per Sq foot...
We kinda just barely touched the surface...
So in this, im gonna guess we are more concerned on how much is achievable from a giving amount of space if all varibles are accounted for and tuned in... which in this case is 4x8x6

So the question,
What would yield more?
We are gonna do a little comparing.
We are gonna make all the variables the same
EXCEPT the light...
And for my reference we will use my setups configuration...
So 4x8x6 tent
c02 1200-1500
Ac controlled
rh controlled

We will assume your the grower, and you are using what ever growing technique you would use in this situation,


So here is our selections....

1. (2) hps 1000 (super horti bulbs)

2. (3) hps 600 (super horti bulbs)

3. (4) cmh 315 (Phillips bulbs)

5 . (2) cmh 630 and a 600 de (with the optional wide throw reflector)

6. (6) cmh 315's staggered = = = (Phillips bulbs)

Maybe there is even some more configurations im not thinking of..
I think it would be wise of me to note, and get your comment, as to
some of there are a overkill of light IF NOT for running c02, eh right?
I dont want to send nobody shopping for a light to big without understanding that..

I also know that there is a huge difference in upfront costs for these, which would play a factor in the decision a person would make. Some would also run cooler saving money on AC, but by how much is the question. AC is expensive.
So the question isnt which is the best choice upfront money wise, but yield, and yield only...
This is more along the lines of which would yield better because of light distribution, spectrum, and heat dissipation....
So if you were having a yield contest with your buddies but you got free pick of what lights to use, which do you think would be the top performer?

I also know I left out leds...
You can chime in on a setup of them too, if you think they could out perform the other light configurations...

Well i got to hit Mcds,, but i be back in an hr to follow up...
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Just for yield and yield alone...without question i would go with 3 600 watt hps fixtures. Preferably DE but I wouldnt run DE in a 6 ft tall tent. 7 minimum (even with 600 watt DE.) But i forewarn anyone running a DE in a tent...you better bring it with air conditioning. Because DE bulbs get HOT. If you wanna run regular 6 ft tall tents and not mess with DE than 3 600 watters single ended with good reflectors are still my choice for yield out of your options. Still gonna need ac. Just not as much. I never did like 2 x1000 watter in 4x8 tents for the simple fact of that empty no light space in the middle. Now ive seen plenty of 4x8 tents with 2x1000 watters and most kick ass. But 3 sixers kick even more ass. Light everywhere and 200 watts less. If you know what your doing you can pull 50 to 60 ounces off the 2x1000 watter single ended. And about 55 to 65 ounces off the 3x600 watter single endeds. If you go taller tent and double ended sixers...and can control the heat...your gonna really hit good numbers. Maybe even 2 pounds a lamp.
 
#86
Dont know much about 315 cmh but i bet with 4 of em in there...your yield would be ok but your quality would surpass anything of a hps spectrum. I dont know for sure as i havent ran cmh yet but iam fixin to. Iam going to supplement Gavita 6/750 flex lamps with a buttload of 315 watt cmh fixtures from Sunlight Supply. And iam going to CRUSH IT!!!! Promise.
 
#87
Pimples said:
Just for yield and yield alone...without question i would go with 3 600 watt hps fixtures. Preferably DE but I wouldnt run DE in a 6 ft tall tent. 7 minimum (even with 600 watt DE.) But i forewarn anyone running a DE in a tent...you better bring it with air conditioning. Because DE bulbs get HOT. If you wanna run regular 6 ft tall tents and not mess with DE than 3 600 watters single ended with good reflectors are still my choice for yield out of your options. Still gonna need ac. Just not as much. I never did like 2 x1000 watter in 4x8 tents for the simple fact of that empty no light space in the middle. Now ive seen plenty of 4x8 tents with 2x1000 watters and most kick ass. But 3 sixers kick even more ass. Light everywhere and 200 watts less. If you know what your doing you can pull 50 to 60 ounces off the 2x1000 watter single ended. And about 55 to 65 ounces off the 3x600 watter single endeds. If you go taller tent and double ended sixers...and can control the heat...your gonna really hit good numbers. Maybe even 2 pounds a lamp.
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Well I have a 600, and a 1k dimmable to 400/600/1k, so i guess for about a bill i could add another 600....
My basement growroom has only 6' ceilings, so I bought a tent 4x8x71" So that is my footprint...
And I just added c02...
And I got 8k btu ac in the grow room.
dehuey
huey
autopilot environmental controller..

I got 777 on 1600 watts (1k hps, 600 hps) last run without c02, so im hoping to double that with c02, and another 600 hps... I will run my select-able at 600 so they are all 3 at same height...
 
#88
EventHorizan said:
Just a lot of configurations....
I posted this question on my thread, just to promote conversation and insight, into lights, using different ones together... So im gonna post it here, if anyone would like to chime in... I also realize we are talking about opinions here, so everybody keep an open mind for discussion...

JUST REMEMBER, THE AREA IS 4X8X6 GROW TENT! That is the area you have to work with...



I always come back to the issue of bulb life...
One thing is for sure I will agree with you on..
it is better to have multiple lights of a lesser wattage,
than 1 or 2 of high wattage...

We talked one time about gpw,
and gram per Sq foot...
We kinda just barely touched the surface...
So in this, im gonna guess we are more concerned on how much is achievable from a giving amount of space if all varibles are accounted for and tuned in... which in this case is 4x8x6

So the question,
What would yield more?
We are gonna do a little comparing.
We are gonna make all the variables the same
EXCEPT the light...
And for my reference we will use my setups configuration...
So 4x8x6 tent
c02 1200-1500
Ac controlled
rh controlled

We will assume your the grower, and you are using what ever growing technique you would use in this situation,


So here is our selections....

1. (2) hps 1000 (super horti bulbs)

2. (3) hps 600 (super horti bulbs)

3. (4) cmh 315 (Phillips bulbs)

5 . (2) cmh 630 and a 600 de (with the optional wide throw reflector)

6. (6) cmh 315's staggered = = = (Phillips bulbs)

Maybe there is even some more configurations im not thinking of..
I think it would be wise of me to note, and get your comment, as to
some of there are a overkill of light IF NOT for running c02, eh right?
I dont want to send nobody shopping for a light to big without understanding that..

I also know that there is a huge difference in upfront costs for these, which would play a factor in the decision a person would make. Some would also run cooler saving money on AC, but by how much is the question. AC is expensive.
So the question isnt which is the best choice upfront money wise, but yield, and yield only...
This is more along the lines of which would yield better because of light distribution, spectrum, and heat dissipation....
So if you were having a yield contest with your buddies but you got free pick of what lights to use, which do you think would be the top performer?

I also know I left out leds...
You can chime in on a setup of them too, if you think they could out perform the other light configurations...

Well i got to hit Mcds,, but i be back in an hr to follow up...
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@DemonTrich thoughts?
 
#90
DemonTrich said:
I'm kinda lost with that huge post. What were you asking?
Lol
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Which of them light configurations would yield the most....

And for my reference we will use my setups configuration...
So 4x8x6 tent
c02 1200-1500
Ac controlled
rh controlled

We will assume your the grower, and you are using what ever growing technique you would use in this situation,


So here is our selections....

1. (2) hps 1000 (super horti bulbs)

2. (3) hps 600 (super horti bulbs)

3. (4) cmh 315 (Phillips bulbs)

5 . (2) cmh 630 and a 600 de (with the optional wide throw reflector)

6. (6) cmh 315's staggered = = = (Phillips bulbs)
 
#91
@DemonTrich I asked 3 diff EXPERIENCED growers there thoughts and not one of them picked the cmh, so i wanted to give you a say SINCE you run cmh...
 
#92
Your hood you want to use plays a key role. I use huge hoods with my old 600 and now current 315. I keep my tops 12-16" max with the cmh. 16-20" with 600hps. Since I use big add hoods, it makes the light bounce around more, and allows a closer distance w/o any issues.

You can do 3x315 or 4x315. A big hood, can either stuff 3 hoods, or 4 smaller ones.
 
#93
If I can net 3oz shy of 3lbs (dried, no boosters, co2) with only 1260 watts, it's a no brainer. I did just over 3lbs with 1800 watts, same setup, strains, ect. But with cmh, my power bill dropped 200 month.

Imo cmh = led, hps, mh, uva/uvb in 1x 20,000 life bulb. Can't get that greatness anywhere but the sun
 
#94
DemonTrich said:
If I can net 3oz shy of 3lbs (dried, no boosters, co2) with only 1260 watts, it's a no brainer. I did just over 3lbs with 1800 watts, same setup, strains, ect. But with cmh, my power bill dropped 200 month.

Imo cmh = led, hps, mh, uva/uvb in 1x 20,000 life bulb. Can't get that greatness anywhere but the sun
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you saved 200 on going from 1800 watts to 1260?
500 more watts cost you $200?

It cost 300 to 500 for each 315 counting the hoods, ...

(If I can net 3oz shy of 3lbs (dried, no boosters, co2) with only 1260 watt)
Do you think you could pull a gram a watt with (6) 315 cmh? inside of a 4x8 footprint?
 
#95
My a.c. doesn't run as much with the cmh vs hps. So counting a.c. run time, and wattage saved, yes, 200 month average.
 
#97
DemonTrich said:
I do +1gpw with cmh even my 1st run and with out any cash crop strains that time.
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is it possible inside a 4x8 foot print?
Cause im thinking you would spread them out more if you had 6 cmh 315's
but my analysis needs the 4x8 footprint as part of the equation..?
 
#99
Yes
all 7 of my cmh are air cooled. 3 in veg and 4 in flower. Both rooms use 2x8" 720 cfm fans. In 4x flower room, I can put my hand on all 4 glass and it's warm, not too hot. I couldn't do that with 3x600hps with same hoods and same 2x 8" fans.

The hood plays a huge roll in foorprint.
 
#100
DemonTrich said:
Yes
all 7 of my cmh are air cooled. 3 in veg and 4 in flower. Both rooms use 2x8" 720 cfm fans. In 4x flower room, I can put my hand on all 4 glass and it's warm, not too hot. I couldn't do that with 3x600hps with same hoods and same 2x 8" fans.

The hood plays a huge roll in foorprint.
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how big is your foot print in your flower room?
 
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