Calling Out The Organic Growing Machines

[brazel]

well @Ecompost best i could do with what i got is 5 tsp of bio media pro in a old miricle grow sprayer,i watered the shit out that clay ,just hope it distributed proper,im gonna put 4lbs of gypsum on it today,expecting rain sunday ,so if all goes well it will get disolved right were it needs to be,lmao,im not shitting you about this clay damn near had to swing a pick into it were i could dig a shovel into it,,i figure for what they are calling garden soil and the headache it has provided me with,,i will just make something of what i got,which means a lot of sifting rocks out and breaking up clay,,bright side is the clay is a good thing in the 3 part structure of a good soil base,lmao,,this shit for sure makes me feel like im out of retirement and back on the job,lmao

I don't know what your bio media is, but if it's beneficial save it for what ever you use it for. 5tsp no matter what it is wouldn't be beneficial to even a gallon of clay.
Mix with compost, straw, organic material!

 

[brazel]

Clay is high in nutrients,

Have you had some of it out and done a basic soil type test mate?
The one where you take the soil from 2-10 inches and put it in a glass, then take a measure to mark the layers as they settle, sand first, then silt, then clays, work out the percentage of parts? This will better guide your decisions on what to add. you might be surprised mate. my land here is like granite in the sun, but its not clay, rather silt that is my major problem, I have sand too, but this is stratified by flooding and then baking over history before i got here. you cant put a full size pick in it more than an inch in the high sun, even with a full king kong swing. the land here eats tools.
iI you have not done this type test mate doi it now, lots of guides on youtube for this, also so a slake test, so drop an aggregate sample of your soil in water but in to a net so it cant sink to the bottom. you need an aggregate so a lump a small net, colander will work over a bowl if you aint got anything else, but i use a small net I took from a broken child toy, its literally a small white plastic basket which holds the lump, but the particles can pass freely as they break off, sinking to the bottom or clouding the water column .
Anyway drop the lump in to the water and see how it holds up. You want it to stay together if possible. if its breaking away, this is a lack of biology and healthy soil proteins therein, more organics and more biology is the answer. As the water hits the aggregate water will rush in to the pore spaces, and if the soil has weak structure it will almost explode. you really want it to hold together mate, the more that break off, the less healthy your soil is.

if you are going to add sand, may be look at paramagentic sands like greensand in order to use the natural forces and energy therein to boost the disruption of the clay particles. Be aware, clays tend to compact after heavy construction, tillage and so on. it is this practice which destroys soil proteins and so biology, but they also compact due to radical salt overloading the negative clay surface charge of clays in your part of the world and most of the rest of planet earth too.

Adding cations to compacted clays is likely to further compound the nature of compaction, this is often why we see land treated with liming practice as a solution to pH as eventually having compacted salt layers in the profile and so rather than add + or - things, its a good idea to work on introductions of biology and always see biology as the start and end of all soil. more gram negative bacteria can help you scavenge the radical ions from the clays surface and so restore clays general like for like particle charge, which in healthy systems allows small gaps in all clays no matter if we imiagine they are one lump for all. Good idea is work a penetrometer in to the profile to find the stick points,. using injection, or spiking techniques, lace the profile at this level with inoculation and bio stims. you can use N, P and ca dry nutrients. the heat energy from P helps again to break up clays, Ca as above, and N provides some grease if you will, but first thing is know your sand before you embark on this. non coated versus coated.

its much easier to add BBM and Biology and forget about all of this hassle IMO.

BBM renders soil excess cations in to more harmless states, or in fact chelates them to make them more readily plant available and less likely to bind. it introduces high volumes of Oxygen, heat and the Bio Stims required. yes its expansive, but its more long term, its the total cost of adding gypsum versus the long terms solutions offered by BBM.

I do get it, we have to work with what we have, no passing judgment, i am not fit mate and always support your choices. This is just data :)
Clays can be resorted using Bio Balance Media, Humic Acids, Gypsum, but we might note, Ca++ is a cation, so as to the long term sustainability of gypsum I am not sure, I know it works in the short term. i havent got any l;onger term studies, but it is true calcium is a dominant ion and so it can kick off more sticky cation elements such as Sodium and magnesium and so on. it also burns higher rates of N during its decomposition that BBM mate.

I agree with some of this.
If you wanna use clay, mix with organic material. Let it sit so it can do it's thing.
When it looks good, roll with it! Imo I'd skip sand.

 

[Organikz]

Maybe its coincidence but fellas I did a saponin feed and I think I need to get my carbon filter set up. A funk is began coming from the grow room. It went from nothing to smelling like a pound.

 

[Organikz]

That's updated info, rad! Thanks again
I found some study's that I read years ago on the internet and read them again and all they mention is saliva in the mouth for pushing food through the body. I read and read and read and my eyes are killing but i still can't find any info, that the same happens in red wrigglers other then what I posted about saliva. Is this only for earthworms? This is fairly new material maybe they haven't done it on red wigglers yet?

Just caught this. I believe it would be all worms. It's the mucus they excrete. I get my worms shipped in coco and they don't dry up, still nice and slimey

 

[brazel]

Just caught this. I believe it would be all worms. It's the mucus they excrete. I get my worms shipped in coco and they don't dry up, still nice and slimey

word, I thought the same but couldn't find any info. Are you saying mucus and saliva are the same? I think they're produced from different glands?

 

[Organikz]

Clay is high in nutrients,

I agree with some of this.
If you wanna use clay, mix with organic material. Let it sit so it can do it's thing.
When it looks good, roll with it! Imo I'd skip sand.

i think @Ecompost suggests sand to keep it from compacting again.

word, I thought the same but couldn't find any info. Are you saying mucus and saliva are the same? I think they're produced from different glands?

it's their saliva. i love worms but i haven't done too much target research on them. When i spit on a pussy i don't wonder whether it's mucus or saliva haha.

 

[brazel]

i think @Ecompost[/U9SER] suggests sand to keep it from compacting again.

it's their saliva. i love worms but i haven't done too much target research on them. When i spit on a pussy i don't wonder whether it's mucus or saliva haha.

I understand the sand part but I'd skip it.
It's true, a lot of people follow that but when making cement what do you add to it sand. Ok maybe that wasn't the best comparison.

 

[brazel]

i think @Ecompost suggests sand to keep it from compacting again.

it's their saliva. i love worms but i haven't done too much target research on them. When i spit on a pussy i don't wonder whether it's mucus or saliva haha.

We'll just hope it's saliva!

 

[brazel]

By the way @Ecompost I'm just ahaaaing. I know you did like 10 years ago. Intriguing using peptides and carbon.

I saw an illustration of the pores that open on the cell membrane and in they go.

This is botany shit son...lmao...i know it doesn't impress you but remember the day it just finally closed the missing link of the loop in your understanding....

Botany smotany talk about old school! I found a cannabis college that will turn me into a master grower for under 400$
They said they will teach me things about scrog and how to top a plant multiple times when growing in scrog so I can have multiple tops!

:/

 

[Organikz]

We'll just hope it's saliva!

lol honestly you got me in a pickle. i'm kind of a hostage in my own house right now. My girlfriend had company from out of town. Younger sleepier folk who don't go to sleep at 1030 on saturday like me. lol

 

[Organikz]

Botany smotany talk about old school! I found a cannabis college that will turn me into a master grower for under 400$
They said they will teach me things about scrog and how to top a plant multiple times when growing in scrog so I can have multiple tops!

:/

so they'll teach you how to fuck your plant up basically lowllll. i'll keep my 2 oz cola thanks.

 

[brazel]

lol honestly you got me in a pickle. i'm kind of a hostage in my own house right now. My girlfriend had company from out of town. Younger sleepier folk who don't go to sleep at 1030 on saturday like me. lol

A pickle ain't so bad, especially if you buy it fresh, put it in water with some salt and a air trap! Then you'll have lacto baco fresh fermented pickles... that are loaded with probiotics which I believe Danny Danko said that's good for Terps!!

 

[Organikz]

A pickle ain't so bad, especially if you buy it fresh, put it in water with some salt and a air trap! Then you'll have lacto baco fresh fermented pickles... that are loaded with probiotics which I believe Danny Danko said that's good for Terps!!

i'm really flirting with a kombucha tea. 1 cup to a gallon and bubble for 24 hours to make sure all the alcohol has evaporated off. I'm just terrified to pull the trigger because i know what 1 molecule of alcohol could do. maybe i'll put it in some compost first.

 

[brazel]

so they'll teach you how to fuck your plant up basically lowllll. i'll keep my 2 oz cola thanks.

That's what I gathered, why anyone would top growing in scrog is beyond my wildest imagination... But then with everything else I read and see it sounds about right

 

[Organikz]

That's what I gathered, why anyone would top growing in scrog is beyond my wildest imagination... But then with everything else I read and see it sounds about right

i got into it with a guy because he stated if not for handful of men good marijuana wouldn't exist while telling someone they deserved a punch in the mouth for thinking otherwise...

i bring up swaziland, malawi, congo, nepal, and all of a sudden he doesn't know what i'm talking about

 

[Organikz]

of course i'm the rude asshole who doesn't know anything then i tell him man is responsible for a lot of lost genetics. he told me that it was governments and not seed swappers that did this. i post a quote by the owner of dna genetics then i'm a copy and paste arrogant asshole lol

 

[brazel]

Misinformation misinformation yeah it's killing me I don't know what you know but I know it's killing me yeah and this is the crazy part I can't understand... What you know isn't the part that is killing me... It's your unwillingness to learn and how you standby the bullshit you heard

 

[brazel]

i got into it with a guy because he stated if not for handful of men good marijuana wouldn't exist while telling someone they deserved a punch in the mouth for thinking otherwise...

i bring up swaziland, malawi, congo, nepal, and all of a sudden he doesn't know what i'm talking about

Bro come on now only modern weed is strong and good..eek scary face

 

[Organikz]

Bro come on now only modern weed is strong and good..eek scary face

lmao...have you seen that guy who's in swaziland smoking. he's straight tripping bro. lmfao. skinny white kid chillin with the locals

 

[brazel]

of course i'm the rude asshole who doesn't know anything then i tell him man is responsible for a lot of lost genetics. he told me that it was governments and not seed swappers that did this. i post a quote by the owner of dna genetics then i'm a copy and paste arrogant asshole lol

A lot of it is so lame and I'm pretty sure the guy that called you out for copying and pasting didn't know anything. There's nothing wrong for copying and pasting we're all here to Share info if you read something why would you retype it wouldn't it be easier to repost copy and paste. And if you didn't copy and paste it they might never read it, I'll give you a high five. But I do understand I have a guy a posting on LED I tried telling them that lux doesn't mean shit when it comes to plants but he didn't want to have it.

So many times I'm perceived as rude or an asshole or something else by the way I talk, which I don't get I'm not going to sugarcoat shit I'm here to tell you what's up and what's real. If your emotions can't handle it all your ego is too strong not my fault