Less Neem More D-limonene

[Organikz]

Neem and karanja are expensive foliar IPMs. Green cleaner is a very expensive IPM. Here is the power of both in 1 mix.

1 quart bath warm water
1 TBS cold pressed aloe
2 TBS peppermint castle soap
1/2 tsp canola oil
1/2 tsp neem/karanja oil
10 drops limonene (orange peel extract)
10 drops rosemary oil
10 drops clove oil
10 drops lavender oil
10 drops cedar oil


By happy accident I found this stuff to just eviscerate pest insects. D-limonene is used in agriculture as an enzyme based insecticide. It is a contact killer. Make sure to buy food grade. Organic isn't necessary as long as it's biodegradable.


orange oil – In a world full of biological pesticides which don’t work very well, orange oil stands out because it wipes out or repels entire colonies, and prevents re-infestations, instead of simply killing insects individually. D-limonene (the main constituent of orange oil) is harmless to humans, but deadly to most insects because it dissolves the waxy coating on the exoskeleton of insects, causing dehydration and asphyxiation. One application of orange oil will destroy a full colony of ants. Then, even more importantly, its powerful scent will eradicate the pheromone trail left behind by the ants. Re-infestation usually happens when “new” ants follow that trail back to the original ant nesting spot. But if they can’t find the pheromone trail, a new colony won’t be setting up shop in your home or business. This oil is so effective at killing bugs, that you should be aware of which bugs you are spraying, as this can also kill beneficial bugs and pollinators.

Cedar oil – Cedar oil affects octopamine, a compound that is essential to life for pheromone-driven “bad bugs” like fleas and ticks. Octopamine is responsible for regulating heart rate, movement, and behavior in pests. It’s essential for life. Cedar oil blocks the octopamine neurotransmitter receptors in pests, causing them to be repelled from the area. When “bad bugs” come in contact with cedar oil, pests suffocate and die. Mammals, birds, fish, amphibians and beneficial insects are not affected by cedar oil because they do not have octopamine neurotransmitters.

I've also attached a paper from Clemson with some other mammal non toxic pesticides.

 

[DemonTrich]

Don' forget rosemary oil. It' the main ingredient in sns-217. I make my own IPM floor spray.

 

[gravekat303]

Gonna try this love green cleaner but im cheep

 

[Organikz]

Don' forget rosemary oil. It' the main ingredient in sns-217. I make my own IPM floor spray.

I had that in there. Rosemary is most effective against eggs as well as citric acid and limonene. It breaks down the shell of the egg. I have made this stuff and sprayed a full grown millipede and it just melted him.

 

[Organikz]

You really don't even need to follow the exact mix. I will post the benefit of each. I use different mixes.

 

[Organikz]

Aloe > softens cell membrane allowing systemic uptake of certain compounds as well as providing even coverage by softening the waxy layer of tissue.

Peppermint Castile > mostly an emulsifier but you will find that there's an old home remedy of putting toothpaste to make a tick back out. They hate peppermint. Fleas as well so mites will follow as they are in the same family.

Canola > suffocant

Neem oil > there's a whole book FFS

limonene > dissolves insect exoskeleton as well as eggs

Rosemary oil >
"Rosemary contains all of the compounds found in Lavender plants that are effective pesticides as well as fungicides. As a pesticide they work by blocking the octopamine receptor in many insects, resulting in paralysis, quick knockdown and kill. Octopamine receptors are unique to insects and has no adverse effects on mammals and birds."

Oddly I happened to find a post by coot on a random forum he made 12 posts on lol. So as you see lavender is somewhat redundant but the compounds are in different concentrations so maybe it's good to rotate these.

I believe eucalyptus and clove also acts as growth regulators meaning they inhibit maturing and development.

 

[MW7945]

how long would these be good just sitting around?

 

[Organikz]

how long would these be good just sitting around?

Well these oils are glycerin which act as preservatives. If you avoided neem oil and only used essential oils I think it's good for quite a while. At most you will notice the smell dissipating.

This is the terpenoid degrading. It's biodegradable!

 

[Organikz]

I like this mixture and my plants seem to respond better. I felt like 1.5 tsp neem oil was just too much on the plants. Seemed to stress them a little bit.

 

[CaliRooted]

I do some Neem, Aloe and Pro Tek together 2 thumbs up!

 

[brazel]

All you need for IPM is neem and an emulsifier.. if you need anything else its your growing skills that need work

 

[brazel]

Look at all the plants that grow naturally with no input... if these pest were as bad as people say... well we'd have no forest but guess what you control your grow if it's indoors so if you get pests or problems its 100% your fault , its not because you didn't use a certain oil... ya dig

 

[Organikz]

It's always good to be proactive. Clackamas coot himself said neem is more of a controller rather than irradicator. Coot is working with limonene as we speak.

The fact that limonene destroys pheromones is pretty amazing. This is what causes reinfestation. Why not bring guns to the knife fight...

Let's also not forget we work with hybrid genotypes. Does a hybrid plant have the same natural defense abilities as a wild plant?

 

[Organikz]

What inspired this thread is a little pest known as the mealy bug. I've been using neem/karanja weekly and still go these fuckers. That's where a contact killer like limonene come into play. We cannot create a false sense of security. Would you rather be vigilant or regretful?

Just like neem limonene is created by a plant to combat insects. Why would you not utilize that if you are utilizing neem. Same 0rinciple bit cheaper

 

[Organikz]

If my shitty gardening skills led to my mealy bug infestation Idk what to say but back to the drawing board. You are extremely knowledgeable and I respect your opinion but i have to disagree.

These are 3 weeks from a dry seed in a bag.

 

[Organikz]

 

[gravekat303]

All you need for IPM is neem and an emulsifier.. if you need anything else its your growing skills that need work

Hahaha no offense but this is wrong yea neem works on keeping SOME pests at bay but id like to see ya fight off russets or broad

 

[Organikz]

Hahaha no offense but this is wrong yea neem works on keeping SOME pests at bay but id like to see ya fight off russets or broad

those fuckers are nasty. they get inside the tissue folds. fuckers can get where you can't get them. hope i'm never cursed. i've heard gasoline and fire is the only thing that works on those lol

 

[brazel]

It's always good to be proactive. Clackamas coot himself said neem is more of a controller rather than irradicator. Coot is working with limonene as we speak.

The fact that limonene destroys pheromones is pretty amazing. This is what causes reinfestation. Why not bring guns to the knife fight...

Let's also not forget we work with hybrid genotypes. Does a hybrid plant have the same natural defense abilities as a wild plant?

um? Terps!

And he is? In place of neem for IPM?
If you follow good indoor grow practises neem is all you ever need.
If you fvck up and introduce pest then yes you'll need more inputs

 

[brazel]

Hahaha no offense but this is wrong yea neem works on keeping SOME pests at bay but id like to see ya fight off russets or broad

If you follow good indoor grow practises neem is all you ever need.
If you fvck up and introduce pest then yes you'll need more inputs