Council Of First Knowledge, Jedi Temple Training Facility

[bicky studs]

fk guys i was only gone 6hrs n takes a hour to catchup:p

 

[bicky studs]

@EventHorizan think you forgot to carry on documenting your fanny tech.
been waiting patiently :badboy:

Seems i have my ladybird problem under controll:sweating: only the odd kamakazi flying round.. or they found sumwhere to sleep.

@Dewd crazy rootballz m8

 

[bicky studs]

anybody here informed on lunar effects?
I relize indoors we still get the magnetism but wat bout the light...?
we used to harvest at full moon. i dk why... magnetism,light, maybe just cause we had to be stealthy n chop at night:ninja:.. harvest moon methods been around for centuries,

where the lunar spectrum leds at:badboy:

 

[Wisher619]

anybody here informed on lunar effects?
I relize indoors we still get the magnetism but wat bout the light...?
we used to harvest at full moon. i dk why... magnetism,light, maybe just cause we had to be stealthy n chop at night:ninja:.. harvest moon methods been around for centuries,

where the lunar spectrum leds at:badboy:

I have heard that as well
and something about being in Leo and all that
never got into it but have heard alot about it

 

[brazel]

lacto is a bacterium

I would have to disagree on the comparison of Bud Candy to coconut water
not even close
but I do agree that there are cheaper alternatives
one of the reasons why pretty much nobody on this thread uses that garbage

and we are all doing really well with with very little money spent

something around $.05 per gal of feed is our budget around here....for hydroponics my man

no sprayin leaves
no makin kombucha
no fermentin EM1

very easy tea with an inoculant
and a simple mineral base
nothing more

works like a charm

no sugar
plants make their own sugar that they exchange with bacterium
bud candy and sugar water isnt needed

the tea we use has all the cytokins and auxins the plant needs for hormonal boost

mixed with many bacteria/fungi etc.

I understand KNF
but we here are hydro farmers

I am no till and although I recommend coconut water, compost tea and extra amendments for no till, I haven't used them in years. You really gotta get that top shelf compost and some years in your no till to break away from additional inputs.

Coconut water is freaking amazing, like compost tea but once your SFW is bangin and you got that circle of life going, well there's just no need.

Obviously I'm not a fan of hydro related and organic bottle companies, so when I read you guys don't use bud candy, that garbage and you're making your feed for $.05 a gallon!

Man I had to read that a couple times!!
Way rad, LIKE WAY RAD!
No sugar! Fvck molasses seems to be the hippest thing. So seeing no sugar was rad too! Tea with cytokin and auxin! Nice man!

I don't know any of the inputs you guys are using nor do I need to, just the fact you guys are doing it yourselves is awesome!

I don't have any problems with any growers from any method, sometimes I'll get a chuckle by methods as I'm sure you guys do! Haha hell I even get some chuckles from some stuff I see no tillers doing! Hell we've all been there, I've been on that grind since 98 so you can only imagine and the weird shit I've done!
But man it really sucks to see how much a lot of companies in this field take advantage of us!
And it ain't like no till is immune to this, there's products popping up everyday!

I don't purchase any of them it's hard for me to believe I can get organic from that bottle! There's a couple companies on some new whatever, I understand what their doing, but I'd never buy them.

I do buy a tincture but I only get that from BlueJay. Been learning from him for years, he's more organic than the word organic.

Anyway just wanted to say that's rad making your own stuff!

I've probably rambled enough... it's nice out in space hanging with this fungi tonight!
Cheers

 

[Organikz]

also where do you get your Fulvic
what is the extraction process
how is it purified (broken bond with Cl and Fe) just wondering
gotta know these things if I want to be the master
no peeking into the saved tab on some obscure university white paper
I need peer to peer knowledge

Buddy you're asking me about something that already has lots of smoke and mirrors. Some states can't even call it fulvic acid. It's labeled as something else (humates or something). I know what fulvic acid is. Why would I need to know the process in making it? I understand what I need to. I don't have to be an electrician to know the lights work. Do I need to tell you how they make silica from rice hulls for grow-sil also cause I don't have a damn clue but I know it is 99.9% amorphous silica...

You and I both know that even today scientist cannot understand everything that's going on in humus. It is similar to when they discovered what was inside of a nucleus. So much is going on they can't make heads or tails.

 

[brazel]

That's cool that u guys are mixing it up. Using some feom the organic world. PGR is a great tool.

Back when I was running hydro, I didn't even know that was possible! I only knew what I read in cannabis mags and books and follow directions on whatever bottle I was using!
In fact when I seen that I was like I didn't even know that was possible! I mean I clearly now know it's possible... not they I know everything, I know very little and I'll be learning forever but it was like I was instantly back years ago. In fact that's the first time I've heard about people making their own hydro juice!

 

[brazel]

hahahahah but we are trollin you brother
we know what we are talkin about
just givin you a hard time

and yes I grow my barley in a 15x4' bed during the winter....along with oats and peas
then I eat the peas
chop the oats and lay it down as mulch
and chop the barley and steep it in a 55gal drum with RO water along with Kelp from my access to an untouched beach on the Pacific ocean
I then take a huge 55gal steel drum and sit it on a fire and throw my alfalfa in there and fill her up with H2O and let her simmer
then I mix 2:1 alfalfa tea to barley/kelp steep
then I use that at 5ml per gal

Like whoa! Nice man

 

[Wisher619]

Buddy you're asking me about something that already has lots of smoke and mirrors. Some states can't even call it fulvic acid. It's labeled as something else (humates or something). I know what fulvic acid is. Why would I need to know the process in making it? I understand what I need to. I don't have to be an electrician to know the lights work. Do I need to tell you how they make silica from rice hulls for grow-sil also cause I don't have a damn clue but I know it is 99.9% amorphous silica...

You and I both know that even today scientist cannot understand everything that's going on in humus. It is similar to when they discovered what was inside of a nucleus. So much is going on they can't make heads or tails.

yet you have the audacity to try to preach that your way is correct
by what standard
what scientific method
have they been able to replicate testing for what you claim
I give people test
and you constantly fail

the game
ask a question from your own knowledge base
if you are talking to someone that knows what they are talking about...they answer
if they dont
they divert the question

little technique I picked up during interrogation training

simple really

not once have you answered any q
not once
you divert

I have been growing since 93
I have been growing plants in general since 85
never used a bottled nutrient until mid 2005
strictly organic
cover crop/compost/compost tea (steeping manure/composted manure/composted veg matter)
fermentation of fruits/veggies
addition of worms
stock feed for animals we would add to the earth
I have been down the rabbit hole
and it led me to some very strange places....learning vast amounts of knowledge
enlightening
knowing about the chemical/electrical breakdown of a plant and how it sources its energy
what all is involved and how we can help it along
how can we push the genetic limits

now

I feed chelated minerals bonded with a simple sugar and inoculate media with beneficials I then add additional carbon/amino/hormones for an extra pick me up
very simple
very easy
automated

allows me to regain connection with people....I now leed a life connected to both nature and humans
not just nature

 

[bicky studs]

alot of interresting info flying around with all this shit slinging:eyepiece:
cant keep up with googling.

got power to my room, heatsinks i have on thier bars, now im making wire spaghetti :sweating:

 

[brazel]

oh.......................................
I dont like that!!!!
Where is your percentage on may?
Damn how do i check this water to see if its all right..
Hey @Organikz we finally need you lol,
you know I was just funnin with you..Your a smart dude! Most of the shit that bores me to death, but still you are a pioneer of organics on this site..
Im aware of the rep you have and ive read some of your stuff..
Sorry im just not an organic person, or grower,
but like my step dad says, when ppl are into something thats what they want to talk about..
We got on him because he turns every conversation into a religious one.
I mean he has been a pretty faithful christian for the last 40+ years..
He has enuf books on EVERYTHING, but mainly religion. And several diff religions...
So he rattles off for hrs if you will let him.. The rest of the fam, isnt very religious lol..
We believe in god, but we have differing opinion on church every Sun......

But anyway
how can i know if some water has enough garlic in it to kill my microbes?
Can I brew some, then put in under my tricome scope 50 to 100 magnification, and see the bacteria?
Then if i put a cap full of bacteria in with a capfull of the water out the drum, and see if it kills them?
And how would i know they died from the water and not from lack of food? cause they die without food pretty quick right? Cmon back, I got real questions for you!

We know garlic is amazing at killing... our breath! But seriously people take this kill all kinds bacteria fungi it seriously kills a lot of things... probably one of the first drugs. I don't know anything about it the soil word.

So you're on the right page!
Scale down to a gallon.
One gallon of the RO water you use, weigh your garlic and have it already processed as of you were gonna add to your feed. Is start off super strong.

Write the weight down.
Add to your gallon of TO.

Your other gallon will have your mixed feed ready.

A couple droppers
Slides
At least a 600x lighted microscope

Drop on the slide then squeeze the slides together and scope. Do this for both so you get your base.

Then start testing, look for lil hotdogs and cheerios! Ha seriously thou

And start your observations by adding garlic water to your feed
Take notes write everything down
Typically you'd adjust strengthen in small increments but you can jump around.
One oz nothing try two oz until
You notice dead.

This being said start researching on Google first!

Testing is fun though
when it's something you enjoi

At work, I hatred it.

 

[bicky studs]

wat pase of flowering would you say the plants need the most light???

am i correct in sayin veg plants need some warm spectrum (2700-3000k) to keep nodes tight and flowering plants need cool light (4000k+) to stop stretching.:drunk2: just sounds wrong.?

 

[bicky studs]

u guys never answered how you think garlic will mix with my ro water and nutes and roots?
just residual left overs in the plastic of the barrel im assuming, cause he said he cleaned it, then i did to..

garlic and onion together make you fart. chop some onions in the mix n you can do away with your airstones, just add kummel to lower fart/air ratio :cool:

 

[Organikz]

@Wisher619
Bullet list questions and I will answer. I diverted nothing. You told me you cook barley to acquire enzymes. If this were the case we would use spent barley grains and make beer.

 

[Organikz]

Maybe you should have used advanced interrogation techniques u acquired at the CIA. Anyway just post questions. I will answer. I don't want to argue about it but I'm happy to answer questions.

 

[brazel]

yet you have the audacity to try to preach that your way is correct
by what standard
what scientific method
have they been able to replicate testing for what you claim
I give people test
and you constantly fail

the game
ask a question from your own knowledge base
if you are talking to someone that knows what they are talking about...they answer
if they dont
they divert the question

little technique I picked up during interrogation training

simple really

not once have you answered any q
not once
you divert

I have been growing since 93
I have been growing plants in general since 85
never used a bottled nutrient until mid 2005
strictly organic
cover crop/compost/compost tea (steeping manure/composted manure/composted veg matter)
fermentation of fruits/veggies
addition of worms
stock feed for animals we would add to the earth
I have been down the rabbit hole
and it led me to some very strange places....learning vast amounts of knowledge
enlightening
knowing about the chemical/electrical breakdown of a plant and how it sources its energy
what all is involved and how we can help it along
how can we push the genetic limits

now

I feed chelated minerals bonded with a simple sugar and inoculate media with beneficials I then add additional carbon/amino/hormones for an extra pick me up
very simple
very easy
automated

allows me to regain connection with people....I now leed a life connected to both nature and humans
not just nature

EDIT HOLY SHIT that first sentence was spouse to say you've been at it five years longer than me in both aspects, i started veggies 190 and herb 198

you've been at it longer than for five years in both aspects ha
Started veggies with grandpa in 90 and herb in 98, my first real strain was Romulan times cotton candy I think it was from federation seed company and its from mark emery direct in the cannabis culture magazine haha good times bong

I'm getting so lost in this thread its like I post something then I'm a different page when I hit that view messages button...i was trying to follow along.

The correct way meaning this is the natural way plants have always grown.

The scientific way would be hydro, you're using science to create another method of growing. I'm just taking feeding cause obviously we grow the same plants and that's science is barely scratched the surface, the most fascinating thing I love to learn about is how they communicate thru fungi below ground and terpenes above. Like when a bug attacks and plant releases chemical or hormone or enzyme to protect itself, call in bene insects.

Another thing I'm really stoked about is how they give nutrients to a totally different plant species when sick.

I think he means the natural way. And as you know organics is pretty simple, the science part only comes from your desire to learn more.
Hydro is just same it's pretty but you had more desire top go further.

What test were you talking about replicating?
I'm sure I missed a bunch of post.

As far as testing goes I believe you do more, for us its pretty simple, read good books. Are five biggest ones are
What a plant knows
Teaming with microbes
Treating with fungi
Teaming with nutrients
The intelligent garden
Life under sun..i think what that is
A kelp one too, I have the last two back in my room just can't remember the full name.
So as I'm sure you know we just have to learn about plants, once we know about plants we look around at other plants fruit you know whatever and then look at the nutrients they contain.
Looking at those nutrients we can tell if they're r readily available, immobile, cartoon, inorganic... etc basic things
Then we run them thru our worm form to make them even more avail or convert.

Nothing goes in worm bin but amendments. No kitchen scraps and we leave it there for a year then use it to build.
I haven't gotten a soil test for years but I know it's good by smell touch look how it grows

You have to do more testing, you're gonna take these elements see if they're water soluble or if the bacteria is Aerobic ....etc you know what I'm saying ? It ain't like you can just walk of there and the stuff in the soil

I don't remember what I was writing above...i use Swype and the phone screen sucks
Edit...i figured it out


I'm eager to read more through this post.
I'm very intrigued but I wanna really wanna see some pics.

But anyway you're basically building your own humic, bennies, building blocks key components without the soil.

this is probably all over the.... not on fungi haha

 

[Organikz]

oh.......................................
I dont like that!!!!
Where is your percentage on may?
Damn how do i check this water to see if its all right..
Hey @Organikz we finally need you lol,
you know I was just funnin with you..Your a smart dude! Most of the shit that bores me to death, but still you are a pioneer of organics on this site..
Im aware of the rep you have and ive read some of your stuff..
Sorry im just not an organic person, or grower,
but like my step dad says, when ppl are into something thats what they want to talk about..
We got on him because he turns every conversation into a religious one.
I mean he has been a pretty faithful christian for the last 40+ years..
He has enuf books on EVERYTHING, but mainly religion. And several diff religions...
So he rattles off for hrs if you will let him.. The rest of the fam, isnt very religious lol..
We believe in god, but we have differing opinion on church every Sun......

But anyway
how can i know if some water has enough garlic in it to kill my microbes?
Can I brew some, then put in under my tricome scope 50 to 100 magnification, and see the bacteria?
Then if i put a cap full of bacteria in with a capfull of the water out the drum, and see if it kills them?
And how would i know they died from the water and not from lack of food? cause they die without food pretty quick right? Cmon back, I got real questions for you!

I'm sorry bud. Garlic is fine. In a 55g drum it would dilute enough. Any plant that is antimicrobial usually refers to pathogens. A plant will not kill bennies. Most of the components only affect pheromone driven insects. Most pest insect use pheromone or honeydew to call their buddies in to tell them where the food is. Reason they do this actually to benefit them. They activate distress signals which transports extra sugar to affected areas and they break out the crazy straw.

Open bar down at weedaritville.

 

[EventHorizan]

WOW 3 pages of dumb shit I had to read...
Dont do that to me again...
No till to me means a night crawler box for catfishing..
In case its not already known, no till is by far the dumbest and most boring things i ever read..

And the worst part is the no till guys argue about who is the best..
Truth is i seen your no till plants and im not impressed to say the least...

I however asked my social worker if she would pay more for a pound of no till.

She laughed and said, Really...
What a farse..

So no more dumb ass conversation about no till..Go find a thread with no till in it..
They are eady to spot.. They only last a few pages and some snowflake gets butthurt and banned with in the first 10 pages..
You know why? Because you all become legends in your own mind... And think you got the secret recipe for the best dope..
So it might have a 5% better taste and that is arguable. But with plants that produce 90 grams or less and 35% is scruff...
Where is the no till scroggers? SOG?
No where to be found.
Why?
Cause it takes 50 years to get 2 foot tall..
Anyway... I dont want to ban nobody so no till back to your thread, cause we proud hydro around here.. And would never return to soil..
That be like dating unshaved 70's porn star hookers...
Aint nobody goun backwards around here...
I need my coofee before logging on..

Well i love you all, and im goung to get coffee. Try to find another conversation for us to have for Sunday when i get back.

And no till,,, lol u can stay but lets find a better conversation...
and no till has nothing on meth induced soil grown plants!!!

Off to get my morning coffee..

 

[Itzdwoodduhh]

Tea day!!!! Always wake up excited at 6:00AM to mix some tea up for the babies. Lmao hope everyones having a great sunday!!!

 

[brazel]

WOW 3 pages of dumb shit I had to read...
Dont do that to me again...
No till to me means a night crawler box for catfishing..
In case its not already known, no till is by far the dumbest and most boring things i ever read..

And the worst part is the no till guys argue about who is the best..
Truth is i seen your no till plants and im not impressed to say the least...

I however asked my social worker if she would pay more for a pound of no till.

She laughed and said, Really...
What a farse..

So no more dumb ass conversation about no till..Go find a thread with no till in it..
They are eady to spot.. They only last a few pages and some snowflake gets butthurt and banned with in the first 10 pages..
You know why? Because you all become legends in your own mind... And think you got the secret recipe for the best dope..
So it might have a 5% better taste and that is arguable. But with plants that produce 90 grams or less and 35% is scruff...
Where is the no till scroggers? SOG?
No where to be found.
Why?
Cause it takes 50 years to get 2 foot tall..
Anyway... I dont want to ban nobody so no till back to your thread, cause we proud hydro around here.. And would never return to soil..
That be like dating unshaved 70's porn star hookers...
Aint nobody goun backwards around here...
I need my coofee before logging on..

Well i love you all, and im goung to get coffee. Try to find another conversation for us to have for Sunday when i get back.

And no till,,, lol u can stay but lets find a better conversation...
and no till has nothing on meth induced soil grown plants!!!

Off to get my morning coffee..

This post was totally worth, love it!
And I'm officially not no till anymore...you had me meth induced crack plants!