Everyone Uses Microbes, Like It Or Not.

[MIMedGrower]

What do you do after the 6 wks of veg?

Add pure Blend Pro Grow as needed starting at 5ml each watering and tapering concentration up as they grow and bloom to 10-15 ml and then back down usually to just water the last time or two.

I will leach with fresh unadjusted well water if I see leaf stress to clear excess salts and help keep the ph up.

I grew out a few seeds in soil, ffof,, they were just lil shitters..
Wasnt bad smoke for t5 and just tap water..
Its hard to go wrong with this if your a newb.. and on...

call me old fashion but if you and organikz both grow in dirt, wouldnt it be beneficial to work together..?
He is a good guy, and the only reason he even got defensive is he has been giving hell when he ventured off his thread, by me.. Some times out of fun, and some times out of, well fun.. But he prob knows what you need so you can move on to better DIRT..


Now here is the thing for organikz, i think he has talent, but I think he needs to come with me so I can show him how to be me and him...
We got an outside and a inside garden... The one outside is a koi pond that we grow in styrofoam floating netcups. We dont feed the plants, we feed the fish, and the ecosystem starts, and the one inside is a plexiglass 150 gal fish tank with a 6x6 styrofoam net pot lid... You can put black lights in the water to I think, uv sterilizes....

I know you guys want the organic title, but there was a little ole(very young) lady that came before you, that might have you boys a little outmatched...
Legend of Seamaiden.................................
search her threads boys...
Treasure of info to push you further into the deep under world or ORGANICZ.........................

I need to say this and bow out of the discussion. I never argued with organics he got on a rampage with everyone during the time he refers to. Here I merely pointed out it was happening again really.

I do disagree that organics has the handle on this he says. Tons of conceptually linked together information showing only a cursory knowledge of an incedibly complex science.

And the funny part is we are only gardening. I can amend and innoculate my own mix. I understand how plants work and what they need. What we need to know isnt that complicated.

There is no magical method for better results.

I have been planning to mix in dry plant food into my final pot. It’s “organic”. Not that that word is even properly defined.

Bet no one will know which flowers came from which method once they are cured in jars. As long as it goes well.

I have no idea where you got the idea I want the “organic” title. Lol.

Oh. I read much of seamaidens posts. And all the other growers for many years. And all the other well known posters on ic and RIU

I read constantly. I don’t have a day job for almost a decade now.

I studied this for years before growing. And grew a few years before ever posting.

I was only trying to share. The fact I learned quickly and don’t need help seems to piss off growers. But only a few on the forums.

I get a bit rowdy on RIU. Plenty of hung go organic no till Growers there. But here I have tried to be courteous and conciencious.

I wasn’t even aware that this confrontation still existed. I posted in this thread to tell a few of the mods they helped gang up on someone again.

I don’t like that. I was saying it happened to me recently.

 

[GT21]

That's a great question. Are we referring to kelp? Kelp has the ability to prevent sodium from entering. I am not sure how it works but kelp doesn't accumulate sodium which is bizarre...

Not kelp

 

[GT21]

Add pure Blend Pro Grow as needed starting at 5ml each watering and tapering concentration up as they grow and bloom to 10-15 ml and then back down usually to just water the last time or two.

I will leach with fresh unadjusted well water if I see leaf stress to clear excess salts and help keep the ph up.



I need to say this and bow out of the discussion. I never argued with organics he got on a rampage with everyone during the time he refers to. Here I merely pointed out it was happening again really.

I do disagree that organics has the handle on this he says. Tons of conceptually linked together information showing only a cursory knowledge of an incedibly complex science.

And the funny part is we are only gardening. I can amend and innoculate my own mix. I understand how plants work and what they need. What we need to know isnt that complicated.

There is no magical method for better results.

I have been planning to mix in dry plant food into my final pot. It’s “organic”. Not that that word is even properly defined.

Bet no one will know which flowers came from which method once they are cured in jars. As long as it goes well.

I have no idea where you got the idea I want the “organic” title. Lol.

Oh. I read much of seamaidens posts. And all the other growers for many years. And all the other well known posters on ic and RIU

I read constantly. I don’t have a day job for almost a decade now.

I studied this for years before growing. And grew a few years before ever posting.

I was only trying to share. The fact I learned quickly and don’t need help seems to piss off growers. But only a few on the forums.

I get a bit rowdy on RIU. Plenty of hung go organic no till Growers there. But here I have tried to be courteous and conciencious.

I wasn’t even aware that this confrontation still existed. I posted in this thread to tell a few of the mods they helped gang up on someone again.

I don’t like that. I was saying it happened to me recently.

Monsanto bought botanicare....but i liked it

 

[GT21]

Why would someone use epsom salt on a plant?

 

[Organikz]

You done @MIMedGrower because it's obvious your knowledge is very very sparse. Don't question mine.

 

[MIMedGrower]

What organic? Because nitrogen fixing bacteria prefer decaying organic matter. I know you will have some bacteria but salt sensitivity decreases respiration in microbes.

The plants don’t care but I use natural inputs. I don’t add calcium nitrate or anything.

And I use very little fertilizer comparatively for the size of my plants.

 

[GrowGod]

I grew out a few seeds in soil, ffof,, they were just lil shitters..
Wasnt bad smoke for t5 and just tap water..
Its hard to go wrong with this if your a newb.. and on...

call me old fashion but if you and organikz both grow in dirt, wouldnt it be beneficial to work together..?
He is a good guy, and the only reason he even got defensive is he has been giving hell when he ventured off his thread, by me.. Some times out of fun, and some times out of, well fun.. But he prob knows what you need so you can move on to better DIRT..


Now here is the thing for organikz, i think he has talent, but I think he needs to come with me so I can show him how to be me and him...
We got an outside and a inside garden... The one outside is a koi pond that we grow in styrofoam floating netcups. We dont feed the plants, we feed the fish, and the ecosystem starts, and the one inside is a plexiglass 150 gal fish tank with a 6x6 styrofoam net pot lid... You can put black lights in the water to I think, uv sterilizes....

I know you guys want the organic title, but there was a little ole(very young) lady that came before you, that might have you boys a little outmatched...
Legend of Seamaiden.................................
search her threads boys...
Treasure of info to push you further into the deep under world or ORGANICZ.........................

Not! Sorry but sea is no legend. She contradicted her self all the time and most her info is from a third party. She just got the info to the noobs:D

 

[MIMedGrower]

Monsanto bought botanicare....but i liked it

Yeah not true. Scott’s bought botanicare. And it is still run as botanicare.

And I posted a list of Monsanto overseen companies I don’t have in my phone anymore. But it included products commonly used by everyone. Including our toilet paper.

If you want to boycott a big one. Try the triads in Japan. They own our battleships.

Sorry. Maybe overstating my point.

 

[MIMedGrower]

You done @MIMedGrower because it's obvious your knowledge is very very sparse. Don't question mine.

Lol. You read the book teaming with microbes and now you’re a plant scientist.

With a weird agenda.

It’s a public discussion forum. We are supposed to question knowledge.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Not! Sorry but sea is no legend. She contradicted her self all the time and most her info is from a third party. She just got the info to the noobs:D

I refrained from saying that but since you did........

 

[GT21]

Yeah not true. Scott’s bought botanicare. And it is still run as botanicare.

And I posted a list of Monsanto overseen companies I don’t have in my phone anymore. But it included products commonly used by everyone. Including our toilet paper.

If you want to boycott a big one. Try the triads in Japan. They own our battleships.

Sorry. Maybe overstating my point.

Oversees is just as bad..i do like their dry line though.. i think they caught gavita for About 140 million in a buy also.... i dont like em... i want to boycott all the gov giants hahaha

 

[Organikz]

Lol. You read the book teaming with microbes and now you’re a plant scientist.

With a weird agenda.

It’s a public discussion forum. We are supposed to question knowledge.

What's your agenda here...stir shit right...ive answered every dumbass question you've asked with a cited article. Man you are just dense as hell.

 

[Organikz]

Your questions are stupid too seriously

 

[Organikz]

I'm out fellas this dude doesn't get it nor does he belong in here. He can talk about how he smoked the original skunk while I puff it all organic.

 

[GT21]

I'm out fellas this dude doesn't get it nor does he belong in here. He can talk about how he smoked the original skunk while I puff it all organic.

Everyone will always have different opinions brotha... knowledge evolves .... take crack for instance. ..we didnt know how to make it and now we do

 

[MIMedGrower]

What's your agenda here...stir shit right...ive answered every dumbass question you've asked with a cited article. Man you are just dense as hell.

I never asked you any questions. You are arguing with someone else or yourself. I am just calling things as I see them.

 

[GrowGod]

I refrained from saying that but since you did........

I’m sure someone will be on my ass for it soon lol. Wouldn’t be the first time.

 

[Ecompost]

@Ecompost how do you feel about this statement? @MIMedGrower and @whitepistols both boldly claim that microbes thrive from salt based ferts.

yes some of them do, (halophiles for example) how else might we get life in Brackish water. In fact it has been noted in Israel, that many plants, eg Tomatoes etc, respond well to slightly raised salt levels in the irrigation water, producing higher levels of sugars. There are many videos on YouTube. here is some basic data on Halophiles.
https://www.britannica.com/science/halophile

here is a post about Tomatoes and Salt water
ttps://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90135252

 

[Ecompost]

for the record there was no mods ganging up on redlife,it was one mod dealing with a member who always starts shit and starts up the name calling bs.we can all disagree like adults without calling each other asswipe,cockface,penis muncher,ect(i could go on for hours lol).but that member also had a problem with pm,ing mods and saying a ton of nasty shit.jumpin knows that members past as well as any of us.
this can still be a good thread/discussion as long as the participants can keep from melting like a snowflake in phoenix az lol. the organic vs chem debate has always been a bit heated on these forums.and as time goes by and more forums come on line,,people are more spread out around all of them.it used to be the farm,icmag,and riu and before that overgrow was it.now ya got alot of people thinking its cool to post weed pics on facebook .

both are valid approaches, but its just one is sustainable, the other is reliant on many factors to be viable in the future, I doubt we might argue that there will never be change.

well said on the personalities who seem to think its OK to go social when they are anti human :-)

 

[Ecompost]

Love this! And I love microbes with my salts :D

some compounds are just better as a salt than as a raw organic. Humic acid being a perfect example of a salt that is a million times better than a raw humate when one is working in human times frames.
I wish people would stop beating up people for the choices they make, instead if they are confident, allow others to develop along their own lines. I often wonder what Argentina might have been without the fucking British going over the world telling everyone they simply must have trains.
what perplexes me about whinning organic growers, is that they themselves talk about plants as if traveling by train is the only option.
One thing is sure, we are all growing with microbes, its just that these change depending on the base materials and input choices. Nothing is destroyed, rather everything is altered, this might be beneficial, it might not be. I have been studying soil for 35 years and I dont have a clue how this really works outside my lab, i just cant seem to keep everyone in one place for long enough to study in the wild, and even if i did, i suspect my limited ability would miss the subtle nature of life which is quantum until we try to study it and it begins to look to us at least like one thing is happening at a time, which of course it isnt. :)