Flushing! Let's Chit Chat

[GT21]

First 6 weeks ;)

My plants are hella leafy.

Thatll do it. Im not a fan of nitrogen in flower

 

[MW7945]

Thatll do it. Im not a fan of nitrogen in flower

I'm a noob. Was basically running the lucas formula for this grow. I'm switching nutes for my next grow

 

[PharmHand]

If your results are better with water at the end you are feeding more than is necessary.

I keep using less nutes on bigger and bigger plants as I continue practicing with the same system.

I am down to less than half the added fertilizer I used to get to this point 2 years ago. And the plants are about a third larger. I had to move up to 5 gallon buckets because they were too easy to tip over with the 3’s I have been using.

I feel like part of the problem is not knowing EXACTLY what the plant needs. I feed relatively light to run off every time in coco and never really have a build up in the medium unless I get busy or lazy and don't monitor my runoff. But I'll run multiple strains/phenos and it seems they all want a lil more or less nutes (based on runoff numbers and look of plant) so rather than mix up a whole new res for each plant/pheno I'll give a generalized feeding ,which may be too much for some.

In the end I always give them two weeks of straight water and try to get my runoff under 200ppm. Maybe it lowers my yield slightly, maybe potency too but I'm looking for complete combustion ,white ashes when burned in a RAW paper, any darkness in the ash puts the flavor off I find. Flavor and clean burning is really important to me. I've seen some beautiful bud that gets me high as fuck but if it doesn't taste good and I gotta keep relighting the joint it's shit weed imo.

Macro nutrients are mobile within the plant and the fan leaves act as reserves in times of need. If you reduce/withhold them while the plant is still growing you're effectively reducing the mobile nutrient content of the bud which I believe leads to a superior smoke

Where I'm from if you're giving pure water before harvest most refer to it as flushing regardless of if you get runoff or not. When I grow organically( my version of organic: fish hydrolysate,kelp, molasses and compost tea plus a few soil amendments) the plant would start to fade on its own 2-3 weeks before harvest but I'd still just give straight water the last two weeks. With chelated salts you've taken the uptake control away from the pants making flushing even more important IMO

 

[MIMedGrower]

I feel like part of the problem is not knowing EXACTLY what the plant needs. I feed relatively light to run off every time in coco and never really have a build up in the medium unless I get busy or lazy and don't monitor my runoff. But I'll run multiple strains/phenos and it seems they all want a lil more or less nutes (based on runoff numbers and look of plant) so rather than mix up a whole new res for each plant/pheno I'll give a generalized feeding ,which may be too much for some.

In the end I always give them two weeks of straight water and try to get my runoff under 200ppm. Maybe it lowers my yield slightly, maybe potency too but I'm looking for complete combustion ,white ashes when burned in a RAW paper, any darkness in the ash puts the flavor off I find. Flavor and clean burning is really important to me. I've seen some beautiful bud that gets me high as fuck but if it doesn't taste good and I gotta keep relighting the joint it's shit weed imo.

Macro nutrients are mobile within the plant and the fan leaves act as reserves in times of need. If you reduce/withhold them while the plant is still growing you're effectively reducing the mobile nutrient content of the bud which I believe leads to a superior smoke

Where I'm from if you're giving pure water before harvest most refer to it as flushing regardless of if you get runoff or not. When I grow organically( my version of organic: fish hydrolysate,kelp, molasses and compost tea plus a few soil amendments) the plant would start to fade on its own 2-3 weeks before harvest but I'd still just give straight water the last two weeks. With chelated salts you've taken the uptake control away from the pants making flushing even more important IMO

I grow my plants all different stages at the same time so I always mix individual gallons of nutes for them. They all get water only until the soil depleted of nutrients.

And black ash is from moisture in the buds not nutrients. Although yellowing does help speed up the time to smooth smoke.

If I try to smoke a day 2 week old jarred bud it may still burn with some black resin buildup (moisture causes this).

If I leave the bud out on the tray overnight it will not still leave black ash and resin in the pipe. It will burn clean. It’s fully dry now.

Have you tried longer cure/ drying times without a flush?

And I say flush but I give water if that’s all the plants need. I just give whatever they need to the end.

If the leaves are yellowing then the plant is taking nutrients in from itself anyway.

What’s the difference to the flowers?

 

[PharmHand]

I grow my plants all different stages at the same time so I always mix individual gallons of nutes for them. They all get water only until the soil depleted of nutrients.

And black ash is from moisture in the buds not nutrients. Although yellowing does help speed up the time to smooth smoke.

If I try to smoke a day 2 week old jarred bud it may still burn with some black resin buildup (moisture causes this).

If I leave the bud out on the tray overnight it will not still leave black ash and resin in the pipe. It will burn clean. It’s fully dry now.

Have you tried longer cure/ drying times without a flush?

And I say flush but I give water if that’s all the plants need. I just give whatever they need to the end.

If the leaves are yellowing then the plant is taking nutrients in from itself anyway.

What’s the difference to the flowers?

I'd beg to differ on the black ash as I've seen absolutely bone dry crumble weed burn black. I dry for 2+ weeks and get the bud down to 10-12% moisture as verified by a reputable testing facility. If you're piping your bud you may not notice the burn difference between flushed and unflushed. Back in the day my family grew this absolutely stunning bud which they called Hawaiian. Some of the frostiest bud I've ever seen and so cat pissy your eyes would burn and nose water when being trimmed fresh. It NEVER burned well- ever. We tried flushing that shit for a month, dry as a bone,still no good. We'd refer to it as pipe weed lol cuz it would not burn in a zigzag even a blue. I honestly feel some terpenes are less flammable than others cuz over the years I've seen this in other strains, no matter how dry, or how much flush. And I truly feel burning a joint in a paper is really the benchmark for quality weed.

And I'm fairly certain the level of nutrient availability from mobilized nutrients when the plant is cannibalizing itself is low. Likely lower than what's remaining in most peat /soil based mediums even after heavy leaching as I've never seen peat/soil based runoff come out any lower than 400-500ppm. No offense intended but there is sound reason why well known growers of the finest herb flush. The general consensus is it improves quality

 

[MIMedGrower]

I'd beg to differ on the black ash as I've seen absolutely bone dry crumble weed burn black. I dry for 2+ weeks and get the bud down to 10-12% moisture as verified by a reputable testing facility. If you're piping your bud you may not notice the burn difference between flushed and unflushed. Back in the day my family grew this absolutely stunning bud which they called Hawaiian. Some of the frostiest bud I've ever seen and so cat pissy your eyes would burn and nose water when being trimmed fresh. It NEVER burned well- ever. We tried flushing that shit for a month, dry as a bone,still no good. We'd refer to it as pipe weed lol cuz it would not burn in a zigzag even a blue. I honestly feel some terpenes are less flammable than others cuz over the years I've seen this in other strains, no matter how dry, or how much flush. And I truly feel burning a joint in a paper is really the benchmark for quality weed.

And I'm fairly certain the level of nutrient availability from mobilized nutrients when the plant is cannibalizing itself is low. Likely lower than what's remaining in most peat /soil based mediums even after heavy leaching as I've never seen peat/soil based runoff come out any lower than 400-500ppm. No offense intended but there is sound reason why well known growers of the finest herb flush. The general consensus is it improves quality

My runoff on a last week finishing plant last night was .4 ec or 200ppm.


And 2 weeks dry is for cash cropping. No truly high quality flowers can be finished to smoke in 2 weeks. The yellowing reduces quality potency and is specifically to get the flowers to market faster.

I like to see 4-6 weeks minimum. I cure some more resinous flowers for months before I am truly happy.

But most of it is gone while still burning black a bit. No one ever complained like I would.

Until the sugar and moisture are all dried and the chlorophyll eating bacteria finish here can be black gunk.

But the higher sugar content usually means more resin which usually means more potency, flavor and taste.

And I have had quite a few plants this year that would not burn in a paper well.

That’s the resin content. Not moisture or nutes.

I had one Citral cross that ran amber liquid resin right down the joint.

 

[str8smokn]

A hard Flush should really only be used on Synthetic nutes.
If your in organic with no salts added you shouldn’t need to flush with 8gal of water for a 2gal pot.

Now I’m in semi organic FFHF soil ,EWC ,Mushroom compost, and grow stones with General Organics nite line. I don’t flush but I do leach the last 2 weeks also. Just to get ride of any nitrogen that’s hanging in the sun leafs.
Which is where they store the extra nutes, that’s why I like to see yellowing of those leafs.
The Sugar leafs are not feeders to the bud per say like the sun leafs.
My .02 .
STR8

 

[str8smokn]

I do water to run off , but not much.
Just enough to know that the whole pot is saturated.
STR8

 

[GT21]

Black ash is from un oxidized carbon deposits (high burn temp).. if you can smoke with a tiny flame and get white ash then is clean..if you have to smoke with a crack torch then its probably not clean bud

 

[brazel]

It's for plants that are being real dickheads. I've been flushing for like 4 weeks now. Still green as can be.

That's what I don't get... who's cares about the leaves and if the leaves do get stripped... well it's the plant taking them and using for that bud that's still growing... So you're getting the exact opposite of what you want!?
I think I said this.. bong

Love lots of these answer though

 

[MW7945]

That's what I don't get... who's cares about the leaves and if the leaves do get stripped... well it's the plant taking them and using for that bud that's still growing... So you're getting the exact opposite of what you want!?
I think I said this.. bong

Love lots of these answer though

Right, cause strictly smoking out of a bong is super awesome and practical for everyone

 

[brazel]

I feel like part of the problem is not knowing EXACTLY what the plant needs. I feed relatively light to run off every time in coco and never really have a build up in the medium unless I get busy or lazy and don't monitor my runoff. But I'll run multiple strains/phenos and it seems they all want a lil more or less nutes (based on runoff numbers and look of plant) so rather than mix up a whole new res for each plant/pheno I'll give a generalized feeding ,which may be too much for some.

In the end I always give them two weeks of straight water and try to get my runoff under 200ppm. Maybe it lowers my yield slightly, maybe potency too but I'm looking for complete combustion ,white ashes when burned in a RAW paper, any darkness in the ash puts the flavor off I find. Flavor and clean burning is really important to me. I've seen some beautiful bud that gets me high as fuck but if it doesn't taste good and I gotta keep relighting the joint it's shit weed imo.

Macro nutrients are mobile within the plant and the fan leaves act as reserves in times of need. If you reduce/withhold them while the plant is still growing you're effectively reducing the mobile nutrient content of the bud which I believe leads to a superior smoke

Where I'm from if you're giving pure water before harvest most refer to it as flushing regardless of if you get runoff or not. When I grow organically( my version of organic: fish hydrolysate,kelp, molasses and compost tea plus a few soil amendments) the plant would start to fade on its own 2-3 weeks before harvest but I'd still just give straight water the last two weeks. With chelated salts you've taken the uptake control away from the pants making flushing even more important IMO

Does everyone understand why leaves change colors and where the elements go!?

I hear ya, but why does no till, burn white, smooth and flavor like whoa

And there is no PHing, no run off and no flush.

 

[MW7945]

I knew this would turn into a dick down the throat thread lol.

Why do people do it this way when they can do it my way!

 

[xavier7995]

That's what I don't get... who's cares about the leaves and if the leaves do get stripped... well it's the plant taking them and using for that bud that's still growing... So you're getting the exact opposite of what you want!?
I think I said this.. bong

Love lots of these answer though

Wouldn't a plant that is consuming itself to survive be pulling the absolute minimum to survive rather than a full course meal? If I am starving and eat part of my hand, it's going to be the smallest amount possible, just enough to not die, not enough to thrive and get myself out of whatever hellish situation caused me to need to eat it in the first place.

 

[brazel]

Right, cause strictly smoking out of a bong is super awesome and practical for everyone

I don't understand?

And my comment wasn't aimed at you, nor are any comments on this thread aimed at anyone.
My comments are in a chit chat with other comments. Like a debate, sharing ideas, like taking part of your comment and using part of his!

I haven't finished reading this thread but I've

 

[brazel]

Wouldn't a plant that is consuming itself to survive be pulling the absolute minimum to survive rather than a full course meal? If I am starving and eat part of my hand, it's going to be the smallest amount possible, just enough to not die, not enough to thrive and get myself out of whatever hellish situation caused me to need to eat it in the first place.

IDK but a good point!

Which gets me thinking, if the leaves naturally yellow towards end of its life... would it need too prolong life or take that full course meal cause that's all it needs?

IDK neither of these answers, but I wanna!

I never even thought about what you said or I said!

Communities, sharing, bullshiting is pretty rad! Feeding off each others energy!
Same skating, snowboarding, biking... or whatever you dig. When riding with people, I ride better!

 

[GT21]

https://herb.co/2016/08/25/bud-colors/
@brazel

 

[brazel]

I feel like part of the problem is not knowing EXACTLY what the plant needs. I feed relatively light to run off every time in coco and never really have a build up in the medium unless I get busy or lazy and don't monitor my runoff. But I'll run multiple strains/phenos and it seems they all want a lil more or less nutes (based on runoff numbers and look of plant) so rather than mix up a whole new res for each plant/pheno I'll give a generalized feeding ,which may be too much for some.

In the end I always give them two weeks of straight water and try to get my runoff under 200ppm. Maybe it lowers my yield slightly, maybe potency too but I'm looking for complete combustion ,white ashes when burned in a RAW paper, any darkness in the ash puts the flavor off I find. Flavor and clean burning is really important to me. I've seen some beautiful bud that gets me high as fuck but if it doesn't taste good and I gotta keep relighting the joint it's shit weed imo.

Macro nutrients are mobile within the plant and the fan leaves act as reserves in times of need. If you reduce/withhold them while the plant is still growing you're effectively reducing the mobile nutrient content of the bud which I believe leads to a superior smoke

Where I'm from if you're giving pure water before harvest most refer to it as flushing regardless of if you get runoff or not. When I grow organically( my version of organic: fish hydrolysate,kelp, molasses and compost tea plus a few soil amendments) the plant would start to fade on its own 2-3 weeks before harvest but I'd still just give straight water the last two weeks. With chelated salts you've taken the uptake control away from the pants making flushing even more important IMO

Micro macro both have mobile, immobile and ones that kinda move. But immobile get moved. Mobile & immobile you pretty much just reference for deficiencies.

IMO the bud the flower is the goal of the plant, so it strips nutes from the leaves to feed the buds. It's a annual plant. When that flower is done, it's done.

Although we say fvck that and take control

 

[brazel]

https://herb.co/2016/08/25/bud-colors/
@brazel

I might of missed something , but yeah I understand yellow and orange colors are beneath the green, purple red from sugar.

I know I missed something, what was it bro?
I feel like I either miss a sentence reading or writing! Ha cheers

 

[brazel]

I knew this would turn into a dick down the throat thread lol.

Why do people do it this way when they can do it my way!

So check this out...

So we have a discussion, I give my view right!?
And you give yours!

And at some point I'd like to think we ask why?

I didn't start with this style, I started in a 10x20 seedling tray with four inch net pots hand watering. My roots would grow out the pot and dry up. I didn't know if that was good or bad.

But talking with other growers or should I say dick throat my ways better I learned

Cheers bro!