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[1diesel1]

Habanero doesn’t work with these guys?

I diluted it 1/2-1/2 with vinegar. Ide try straight up habenaro but I don’t have near enough to spray these huge plants.

 

[Homesteader]

Bro every industry has scammers and generally bad people who cares more about money than anything else but in an indoor situation especially, they should get the job done.
And on the outdoors, if they’re able to feed on your property, why would they travel? People do sprays and shit and then release the bugs and mites. Well at this point there isn’t a healthy prey population that would keep them there. There should always be plenty of prey to keep them there.

Without getting too much into it, the organic industry has more scamming going on than most would think and not even just cannabis because it is the nature of their business. Selling dreams is a big part of the organic industry. Many of the natural remedies that work for organic growing are too cheap to make money on. In reference to buying bugs though, indoors is even a worse idea IMO. Not only are the going to eventually die, their prey is super easy to kill with simple solutions that are far cheaper and MUCH MUCH easier. If you release a bunch of ladybugs into your room and they do what they are meant to (eat aphids), they are going to starve a few days later and you are going to have a mess on your hands. The other reason is many of the lady bugs sold are not native species and from Europe (Adalia bipunctata) or Asia (Harmonia axyridis) and can carry disease and parasites that will kill native populations. If you do find someone who harvests wild native ladybugs (Hippodamia convergens) aka convergent ladybirds you will pay a much higher price for it. Anyhow to each their own for sure but there are better ways that are much cheaper and effective and i speak from experience, but I can assure you nobody is making money off of those ideas.

 

[1diesel1]

@Homesteader
Thanks bro! Sprayed an hour ago just checked 100% success!!! Kudos!!!!!

 

[crimsonecho]

Without getting too much into it, the organic industry has more scamming going on than most would think and not even just cannabis because it is the nature of their business. Selling dreams is a big part of the organic industry. Many of the natural remedies that work for organic growing are too cheap to make money on. In reference to buying bugs though, indoors is even a worse idea IMO. Not only are the going to eventually die, their prey is super easy to kill with simple solutions that are far cheaper and MUCH MUCH easier. If you release a bunch of ladybugs into your room and they do what they are meant to (eat aphids), they are going to starve a few days later and you are going to have a mess on your hands. The other reason is many of the lady bugs sold are not native species and from Europe (Adalia bipunctata) or Asia (Harmonia axyridis) and can carry disease and parasites that will kill native populations. If you do find someone who harvests wild native ladybugs (Hippodamia convergens) aka convergent ladybirds you will pay a much higher price for it. Anyhow to each their own for sure but there are better ways that are much cheaper and effective and i speak from experience, but I can assure you nobody is making money off of those ideas.

I’m not talking about ladybugs. Talking about predatory mites like aphidolotes aphidimyza or anything that would be suited to your environment and all. Ladybugs personally i don’t find very useful and they will migrate.
As i said every industry has its own bad bunch who cares only about money and pumps pgrs into diluted molasses and sells it as a miracle tonic. That doesn’t mean everyone does it.
Killing them is an endless battle of course and you will have to keep an eye on always but having an established population of one or several scavenger/predator mites is just your first line of defense and a pretty good one imo.

 

[Homesteader]

@Homesteader
Thanks bro! Sprayed an hour ago just checked 100% success!!! Kudos!!!!!

Glad to hear, I would give them a douche with warm water in the morning to get the soap off. Wait a few days and do it again. I think it will kill eggs but its unlikely you got all of them the first try. warm water the day after to clean the leaves.

 

[UncleRomulus]

Glad to hear, I would give them a douche with warm water in the morning to get the soap off. Wait a few days and do it again. I think it will kill eggs but its unlikely you got all of them the first try. warm water the day after to clean the leaves.

I’ve done this also and it worked. I’ve heard the soapy water clogs their breathing and they suffocate or hit the road

 

[Bulldog420]

Essential oils. 10-30 drops per gallon. Spray when lights are off, or under 80 degrees. I would use 30 drops per gallon on your late infestation. Tea tree works best, but when flowers are on the plants I choose a citrus application. You can order this brand on Amazon or drive down to GNC.

You will need several applications. I would spray everyday for a week personally.

Use an emulsifier if possible.

Notice the organic label on the ones I posted?

 

[1diesel1]

Spinning my wheels here boys and girls. I’ve killed thousands just can’t seem to get over the hump. Numbers are down butt they still exist. Just watched one give birth for gods sake. Anybody no The life cycle of these pricks?

 

[1diesel1]

Essential oils. 10-30 drops per gallon. Spray when lights are off, or under 80 degrees. I would use 30 drops per gallon on your late infestation. Tea tree works best, but when flowers are on the plants I choose a citrus application. You can order this brand on Amazon or drive down to GNC.

You will need several applications. I would spray everyday for a week personally.

Use an emulsifier if possible.

Notice the organic label on the ones I posted?

I think my problem is the there were so many and after watching the one give birth made me realize I ain’t dealing with spider mites. I’m going to give the citrus a shot tomorrow, lights out.

 

[Homesteader]

Maybe a defoliation of lower leaves would help. Are they mainly on the bottom leaves or in the flowers too? Spider mites? I thought they were aphids..Do you have both? ..well actually I thought at first they were thrips, but if they gave birth its a aphid. They are born prego

 

[1diesel1]

Maybe a defoliation of lower leaves would help. Are they mainly on the bottom leaves or in the flowers too? Spider mites? I thought they were aphids....well actually I thought at first they were thrips, but if they gave birth its a aphid. They are born prego

Aphids, sorry stoned! They are aphids. I’m spraying every other day but obviously they are reproducing by the hour.

 

[Homesteader]

Can you defol or is that too big of a job? Are they going high and low? If you can defoliate it should make the spraying a bit easier.

 

[1diesel1]

Maybe a defoliation of lower leaves would help. Are they mainly on the bottom leaves or in the flowers too? Spider mites? I thought they were aphids..Do you have both? ..well actually I thought at first they were thrips, but if they gave birth its a aphid. They are born prego

Bottom leaves top leaves center leaves all the way up the damn branches to the top buds like a daisy chain climbing a mountain! There’s one plant that was the host she’s looking like shit I’m about ready to chop but she’s so big I can’t get my self to do it.

 

[1diesel1]

Can you defol or is that too big of a job? Are they going high and low? If you can defoliate it should make the spraying a bit easier.

Ya, that’s a good idea.

 

[Homesteader]

You could also try using tangle foot on the stem but the shit is messy as fuck

 

[1diesel1]

You could also try using tangle foot on the stem but the shit is messy as fuck

What would that do?

 

[Homesteader]

Maybe double side duct tape on the main stem to slow their progress if you dont have tangle foot

 

[1diesel1]

Aphid Life Cycle

Aphids, an Introduction

The aphids are probably best known as "greenfly", "blackfly" and "white fly". They belong to a group of insects known as "bugs" or Hemiptera, the mouth parts of which are modified to form piercing and sucking tubes. The insects obtain their food by sucking plant juices or the blood of other animals. This group of insects has an incomplete metamorphosis, there being no pupal stage but a series of molts in which the nymph gradually becomes a mature adult.




There are over 4000 species and varieties of aphids but the account given below applies in general to those commonly encountered as garden and orchard pests.

Life history. In October the females lay eggs usually on the stems of trees or shrubs. The eggs are black, with thick shells and can withstand extremes of temperature. It is in the egg form only that aphids pass the winter. In March the eggs hatch out into wingless female nymphs which are similar to the adults, with three pairs of legs, compound eyes, antennae, etc. There is no larval or pupal stage comparable to those of the butterfly, but with successive moults and continuous growth the nymphs become mature females. No males are hatched at all.

The female nymphs feed on the shoots and leaves of the tree on which they hatch, at the time when the buds are sprouting. After a series of molts they become mature and give birth to daughter aphids without any fertilization. This kind of reproduction is called parthenogenesis. The daughters, moreover, are not produced from eggs but are born alive as nymphs though they are surrounded at first by a transparent capsule like an egg membrane.




The daughters grow quickly and themselves have offspring by parthenogenesis. Some of these develop wings which grow larger at each molt. These winged daughters fly off to herbaceous plants such as a rose or bean plant. The aphids are not strong flyers but tend to be carried by chance air currents rather than make direct flights.

When the winged generation reach the new food plant they give birth to wingless daughters parthenogenetically. In warm weather these may mature in 8 to 10 days and begin to reproduce in the same way by bearing winged daughters which fly off and infest new plants. This process of parthenogenesis goes on all through the summer months, winged and wingless generations more or less alternating. Enormous numbers of aphids are produced in this way, though a great many are killed by birds, ladybirds and their larvae, lace-wing larvae, heavy rains and cold weather.

In October the first males appear. They have wings, and fly to a tree. Winged females fly to the same tree and there give birth to wingless daughters. The males mate with these when mature, and the wingless females subsequently lay eggs on the twigs of the tree. The eggs remain dormant until the following spring when the tree buds begin to sprout.

Feeding habits. An aphid feeds by inserting its proboscis, stylet or straw-like mouthpart into the phloem or inner cells of a plant.



Upon insertion the aphid draws the plant’s juices or sap. This feeding activity will normally cause leaf and stem deformities and it can aid the transmission of various plant diseases, both bacterial and viral, all of which can affect the plant's health. An additional problem that may also affect the aesthetics of the plant include presence of cast skins — a by-product of aphids molting from one nymphal stage to the next (which is occasionally confused by novices as stationary whiteflies since they’re white).

Most aphids seem to take in from the plant sap more sugar than they can assimilate and excrete a sweet syrup, honey dew, that is passed out of the anus. Some species of ant like to feed on this exudation and may be seen clambering over the colonies of aphids on nettles and other plants to collect it. If the aphid population grows large enough to support ants it can make organic aphid control even more challenging as the ants defend the aphids from natural predators.





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[Homesteader]

prevents them from climbing

 

[1diesel1]

prevents them from climbing

All my research shows no soil varmints. There flyers or piggy back from another bug. Which I have a few stink bugs flying around in here I can’t get rid of.