Introducing Scynce LED Grow Lights

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I have thought about the impact of running various intensities peaking and dropping during the lights on and the impact it may have but have done nothing to try to find out.

I've thought about having deep red in the morning, warm/cool in the afternoon, deep red in the evening. Adjusting each of those time-of-day spectrums warmer as the plant goes further into it's "season." (I just mentioned that in another thread a few days ago, regarding strip LEDs). I thought of that 4-5 years ago. I'm sure many people have. It's just mimicking nature. It's natural for people to think of that.

Now if you do it, you'll have to pay a license fee? IMO, that's not helpful to the growing community. Essentially patenting the means to recreate whatever one *sees* on a daily basis?
 
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It still shows that thought was put into it, spectrum variance can have impact on a grow, going to a much more abundant red spectrum in the last few weeks of flower has wonderful results, still length and intensity would still lead to a better yield.

But when you have to crank every color in the spectrum just get a half decent amount of light, it doesn't matter how many little knobs they give you to twiddle.
 
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But when you have to crank every color in the spectrum just get a half decent amount of light, it doesn't matter how many little knobs they give you to twiddle.
I agree, that and I checked their website, to be upfront, Scynce may want to stick with the commercial market, no offense, and as the average pothead on the street, there is no way I am paying a grand. The whole point of a PERSONAL grow is to beat out the price you would pay where ever you get your smoke. Income tax is a ways off for some people, the market is extremely saturated with the prices and tech, even established names like Blackdog and Cali lightworks has to market to the commercial grower. You want to market to the everyday grower, present something "economy" brand and we will all look, and even buy.
 
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I agree, that and I checked their website, to be upfront, Scynce may want to stick with the commercial market, no offense, and as the average pothead on the street, there is no way I am paying a grand. The whole point of a PERSONAL grow is to beat out the price you would pay where ever you get your smoke. Income tax is a ways off for some people, the market is extremely saturated with the prices and tech, even established names like Blackdog and Cali lightworks has to market to the commercial grower. You want to market to the everyday grower, present something "economy" brand and we will all look, and even buy.

A grand... lol. Figures.
I would keep the offense in there.
 
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The market place, meaning ours along with all the other growing communities out there will determine what products succeed by achieving acceptable performance at an reasonable cost. Without knowing any par values, and especially the costs for these fixtures we’re in the dark figuratively...
 
az2000

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I agree, that and I checked their website, to be upfront, Scynce may want to stick with the commercial market,

Concentrated light makes sense for that. If you have a 1000 sq ft grow space, you probably have to trade efficiency (more fixtures distributing the light more evenly (closer) for ease of handling.

As a hobbiest, I see 18" distance and 24" to the edges... that's a lot of inverse-square loss (not counting the secondary lens in the light path to make that happen). Compared to breaking those 600w into four 150w fixtures closer to where the light's wanted (without lenses), that's gotta be a big difference in the amount of light reaching the plants.

But, you'd need 50 of these concentrated fixtures to cover 1000 sq ft. Or, 200 fixtures to do it more evenly without lenses. Tending to those lights could be an all day job.

Unfortunately, patents can be enforced against the little guy.

@jumpincactus is in Arizona, and said he has a friend using LED (and wants to get into LED himself). Maybe he (or friend) should evaluate one. It sounded like they're more in the commercial realm (larger grows).
 
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I think a lot of these companies assume us pot heads are gullible and so stoned we jump at anything shiny and new. Nope we are frugal and smart, which is why we grow our own. Don't advertise a product and expect us to take you at your word and slick advertising..Show us.
 
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1. It's great to see a new company doing R&D in horticulture lighting and I appreciate the response.

2. I'm am no lighting expert but it's good to see that you are looking continually to continually improve quality.

3. I think there are a few considerations that need to be taken into account here.

The number of diodes used and their placement. The higher the number and more spread out the diodes are the less need there is for optics. Now for automotive where this is not feasible and home lighting where compact fixtures desired optics will make a huge difference.

In a grow space where light spread and efficiency are most important a compact fixture with less diodes simply is not a concern to most.

When you are talking 26% (let's be clear this advantage is taken by the difference in ppfd at the outer edges) higher ppfd this is only in comparison to what I consider low budget LEDs on the market that attempt to do a similar fixture with less diodes and more watts through them either without good optic or poorly designed optics. I would say the quantum boards and strips for the most part this would not be the case. As most qb and strip kits would likely out perform your fixture in this area easily since they wouldn't loose 10% of the output while still maintaining full coverage.

Now there is no doubt that your fixture will blow the mars and other smaller preassembled units that use less diodes in a smaller housing out of the water in all areas.

4. Who doesn't like a fixture that is easily cleaned.

5. I'm loving the ability to manipulate spectrum and that's one thing you have a nice advantage on.

6. Being so new it's not easy to show the potential in action and I think you guys are going about it in the right manner. Get out into the communities have these discussions and get some side by sides done.

I haven't see a price tag yet but then again I haven't looked. Personally I feel these lights aren't going to beat out the too dog LEDs.... Yet! But my feeling is they will fill that gap between the other small unit fixtures (blowing them out of the water) and the top led fixtures without optics that still provide great coverage with more diodes and spacing.

Marketing is something I hate so from point of view staying away from claims that are exaggerated or meant to slightly mislead will really help a companies reputation in the industry. I think you have a market and getting out there with the people and showing what it can do is the best form of marketing. Nobody in this industry trusts companies anymore so peer reviewed info is about as important as it gets

Don't make the mistake of misleading info or claims that cannot be validated and hold up to extreme scrutiny. The people in this industry will hang you from it.

Welcome to the farm. Sorry if I seem wary but just peek about and you will see how much BS we have to sift through on the daily from marketing.
FYI...this is not a reply simply to Aqua Man, but a response to many of the questions that have been asked.

Man, everyone here is super jaded. I get it and can't really blame anyone as their is way too much BS out there. There have been a lot of accusations thrown here yet it was before most of you even took the time to see what we put out on our website. As an entrepreneur and a company creating jobs (45 currently) it is a tough balance to serve every type of customer out there and make enough revenue to feed the souls that put their life energy into creating these lights.

1.) These lights were created for the commercial grower. The robust construction and technology we chose to integrate means they can't compete with the DIY style lights. Some home growers want it, others don't. Compared to our competitors: Fluence, Black Dog, Spectrum King, ProGrowTech, etc. we are priced 10-30% less than them. This was a conscious decision to show the market that an American made light can be high quality and bought at a reasonable price. While other companies are trying to make 100% mark-up we are priced at 35-40%, which is the bare minimum for a company to keep it's doors open. It is also ridiculously expensive to get UL certifications in the US and Canada, CE in Europe and get listed on DLC, and commercial companies can't use the DIY lights because of this.

2.) There is no question the more LEDs spread out evenly work the best. Period. Unfortunately this isn't possible for all grow scenarios, especially greenhouse and large single level (high bay) styles of grows. Our current linear lights (Dragon series) have 196 five watt LEDs which is why they are only have an efficiency of 2.15. Our next gen, due out in January, will have 528 five watt LEDs, driven to 600w maximum, meaning they will run at 20% of capacity and have efficiency closer to 2.4. The LED cost alone for 528 five watt LEDs (including the reds) is almost $200. The reason our other line (Raging K) uses optics is the (a) it is part of our brand; (b) it allows larger grows to clean them and work in wet environments where conformal coated non-optic/lensed lights will fail over time and (c) we believe, and have seen proof, that our unique optical emission pattern does penetrate deeper due to more light being on the angle, directly challenging the inverse square law.

3.) We have done everything possible to be super transparent. Since the beginning our website has had PAR maps (real ones, not some X pattern leaving out important data) in both tents and in larger rooms. We even have the light lab reports up there as well. www.ScynceLED.com

4.) It is true that spectrum tuning, as I already eluded to, is an unknown today. Our lights, like others that are tunable, do mean sacrificing wattage (power) as you take out parts of the spectrum. This is changing though. Our Raging Kale light was the first light on the market that is full-power spectrum tunable. That means you can push all 250 watts that this fixture has available into the cool or warm channel, sacrificing nothing to tune in your desired spectrum. This feature will be built into all of our lights come Q1 of 2020. We have also patented a way to do this with a single power supply, every other tunable light has a single power supply per color channel. This approach of a single power supply keeps the costs down and the retail prices as low as possible.

5.) The optics on these lights were designed to work in synergy with multiple lights. Comparing them 1-2-1 with other lights yields average results. The real power here is what we call cross-beaming instead of traditional cross-lighting.

6.) We make no claims of 3+ pounds a light or other nonsense. Yes we have partners getting these results but we don't market that way. Everyone I have ever met wants us to give them lights so they can compare them. We have put over $100k into true 3rd party light testing partners and 80% of the time they fail to report back, make multiple changes that don't give true comparison results or simply fall off the face of the earth. I previously listed multiple IG growers that you can reach out to to independently verify the results they have gotten. While I do have test results that we have compiled they wouldn't be trusted so why share them?

You would be hard pressed to find another light manufacturer this open and transparent. The style of attacks many of you have launched will prevent me and other manufacturers from engaging in, what could be anyways, a great venue for open and honest conversations. Might I suggest that we leave the skeletons in the closet, eliminate the rhetoric and give everyone a chance to show their true colors before we stomp on them?

As someone who has been part of and believes in the unique cannabis "community," we all know that in life and this industry in particular it takes a village. Not everyone is out to screw the next person. Businesses need to make money and the good ones can honor their clients at the same time making it a win-win for everyone. While we aren't perfect, that is our highest pursuit.
 
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I think a lot of these companies assume us pot heads are gullible and so stoned we jump at anything shiny and new. Nope we are frugal and smart, which is why we grow our own. Don't advertise a product and expect us to take you at your word and slick advertising..Show us.
I've been using the Miss Yee LEDs, I've been using them for about 4 weeks. By being inside I am capable to control the environment in the area. Average temperature is around 32 to 34 Celsius and the humidity average is between 60 and 64
 
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I've been using the Miss Yee LEDs, I've been using them for about 4 weeks. By being inside I am capable to control the environment in the area. Average temperature is around 32 to 34 Celsius and the humidity average is between 60 and 64
You can't leave out that pH of 6 7
 
Aqua Man

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FYI...this is not a reply simply to Aqua Man, but a response to many of the questions that have been asked.

Man, everyone here is super jaded. I get it and can't really blame anyone as their is way too much BS out there. There have been a lot of accusations thrown here yet it was before most of you even took the time to see what we put out on our website. As an entrepreneur and a company creating jobs (45 currently) it is a tough balance to serve every type of customer out there and make enough revenue to feed the souls that put their life energy into creating these lights.

1.) These lights were created for the commercial grower. The robust construction and technology we chose to integrate means they can't compete with the DIY style lights. Some home growers want it, others don't. Compared to our competitors: Fluence, Black Dog, Spectrum King, ProGrowTech, etc. we are priced 10-30% less than them. This was a conscious decision to show the market that an American made light can be high quality and bought at a reasonable price. While other companies are trying to make 100% mark-up we are priced at 35-40%, which is the bare minimum for a company to keep it's doors open. It is also ridiculously expensive to get UL certifications in the US and Canada, CE in Europe and get listed on DLC, and commercial companies can't use the DIY lights because of this.

2.) There is no question the more LEDs spread out evenly work the best. Period. Unfortunately this isn't possible for all grow scenarios, especially greenhouse and large single level (high bay) styles of grows. Our current linear lights (Dragon series) have 196 five watt LEDs which is why they are only have an efficiency of 2.15. Our next gen, due out in January, will have 528 five watt LEDs, driven to 600w maximum, meaning they will run at 20% of capacity and have efficiency closer to 2.4. The LED cost alone for 528 five watt LEDs (including the reds) is almost $200. The reason our other line (Raging K) uses optics is the (a) it is part of our brand; (b) it allows larger grows to clean them and work in wet environments where conformal coated non-optic/lensed lights will fail over time and (c) we believe, and have seen proof, that our unique optical emission pattern does penetrate deeper due to more light being on the angle, directly challenging the inverse square law.

3.) We have done everything possible to be super transparent. Since the beginning our website has had PAR maps (real ones, not some X pattern leaving out important data) in both tents and in larger rooms. We even have the light lab reports up there as well. www.ScynceLED.com

4.) It is true that spectrum tuning, as I already eluded to, is an unknown today. Our lights, like others that are tunable, do mean sacrificing wattage (power) as you take out parts of the spectrum. This is changing though. Our Raging Kale light was the first light on the market that is full-power spectrum tunable. That means you can push all 250 watts that this fixture has available into the cool or warm channel, sacrificing nothing to tune in your desired spectrum. This feature will be built into all of our lights come Q1 of 2020. We have also patented a way to do this with a single power supply, every other tunable light has a single power supply per color channel. This approach of a single power supply keeps the costs down and the retail prices as low as possible.

5.) The optics on these lights were designed to work in synergy with multiple lights. Comparing them 1-2-1 with other lights yields average results. The real power here is what we call cross-beaming instead of traditional cross-lighting.

6.) We make no claims of 3+ pounds a light or other nonsense. Yes we have partners getting these results but we don't market that way. Everyone I have ever met wants us to give them lights so they can compare them. We have put over $100k into true 3rd party light testing partners and 80% of the time they fail to report back, make multiple changes that don't give true comparison results or simply fall off the face of the earth. I previously listed multiple IG growers that you can reach out to to independently verify the results they have gotten. While I do have test results that we have compiled they wouldn't be trusted so why share them?

You would be hard pressed to find another light manufacturer this open and transparent. The style of attacks many of you have launched will prevent me and other manufacturers from engaging in, what could be anyways, a great venue for open and honest conversations. Might I suggest that we leave the skeletons in the closet, eliminate the rhetoric and give everyone a chance to show their true colors before we stomp on them?

As someone who has been part of and believes in the unique cannabis "community," we all know that in life and this industry in particular it takes a village. Not everyone is out to screw the next person. Businesses need to make money and the good ones can honor their clients at the same time making it a win-win for everyone. While we aren't perfect, that is our highest pursuit.
All great points. I absolutely support North American built companies and understand that the general cost will be slightly higher. Also the customer support is usually far far better. Bang for buck is and will continue to be a very important factor in people's choices. By the responses you gave its not hard to see that your trying to be as transparent as possible on the community side of things and we all know a business needs to market what it sees as it's advantages over other competitors.

It's rough walking into a place of pure skeptics that put you through the grind but it's also a good chance to change some minds and get some peer reviews from people willing to take a chance. That's the hardest part with something new. Nobody wants it until it's proven.

I wouldn't have an issue giving these lights a go if I had a need for a light. While I do prefer more diodes instead of optics and that's my sticking point it looks like you guys are better than 90% of the market on the surface (maybe even higher). For a plug and play fixture im not gonna lie from what I can see...I'm impressed.

I seen a 5 year warranty??? I think that says a lot about not only the intentions of your company but also the quality of the product.

For me the cost is not the issue if you can justify the worth. I don't think it's a stretch to say it's likely worth it. Of course that varies from person to person.
 
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All great points. I absolutely support North American built companies and understand that the general cost will be slightly higher. Also the customer support is usually far far better. Bang for buck is and will continue to be a very important factor in people's choices. By the responses you gave its not hard to see that your trying to be as transparent as possible on the community side of things and we all know a business needs to market what it sees as it's advantages over other competitors.

It's rough walking into a place of pure skeptics that put you through the grind but it's also a good chance to change some minds and get some peer reviews from people willing to take a chance. That's the hardest part with something new. Nobody wants it until it's proven.

I wouldn't have an issue giving these lights a go if I had a need for a light. While I do prefer more diodes instead of optics and that's my sticking point it looks like you guys are better than 90% of the market on the surface (maybe even higher). For a plug and play fixture im not gonna lie from what I can see...I'm impressed.

I seen a 5 year warranty??? I think that says a lot about not only the intentions of your company but also the quality of the product.

For me the cost is not the issue if you can justify the worth. I don't think it's a stretch to say it's likely worth it. Of course that varies from person to person.
Hire me!!!!!!!!!??
 
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All great points. I absolutely support North American built companies and understand that the general cost will be slightly higher. Also the customer support is usually far far better. Bang for buck is and will continue to be a very important factor in people's choices. By the responses you gave its not hard to see that your trying to be as transparent as possible on the community side of things and we all know a business needs to market what it sees as it's advantages over other competitors.

It's rough walking into a place of pure skeptics that put you through the grind but it's also a good chance to change some minds and get some peer reviews from people willing to take a chance. That's the hardest part with something new. Nobody wants it until it's proven.

I wouldn't have an issue giving these lights a go if I had a need for a light. While I do prefer more diodes instead of optics and that's my sticking point it looks like you guys are better than 90% of the market on the surface (maybe even higher). For a plug and play fixture im not gonna lie from what I can see...I'm impressed.

I seen a 5 year warranty??? I think that says a lot about not only the intentions of your company but also the quality of the product.

For me the cost is not the issue if you can justify the worth. I don't think it's a stretch to say it's likely worth it. Of course that varies from person to person.
Thanks for the honest and kind retort. Yes, we do offer a 5 year warranty and it helps that our lights are completely sealed. As I said, we have spent a lot of time and money on testing partners, usually to no avail. I am more than happy to work with some of the more respected members of this (forum) community but that's when the tables get turned and I will need help vetting out who that could be. As an example, we already got a phone call (from whom I won't mention) asking about us letting them trial our lights in a very unfriendly and presumptive manner. This type of attitude is not conducive to a productive outcome. How would the community recommend we engage in a positive manner with the right cultivator that will give honest unbiased results based on a true side-by-side where all other variables are controlled for? Who might that be?
 
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I think a lot of these companies assume us pot heads are gullible and so stoned we jump at anything shiny and new. Nope we are frugal and smart, which is why we grow our own. Don't advertise a product and expect us to take you at your word and slick advertising..Show us.
Turn 4 low cost high output excellent products that's the idea
 
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Not unless he wants a union lmao. Union proud and I love my job so no go. I contributed my questions and got what I feel are real answers. I don't hate to hate but I don't just accept shit people tell me either... Most of you know I'm the first to challenge my own and others' views.
Youch that's hateful
 
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2.) There is no question the more LEDs spread out evenly work the best. Period.
Was the answer to my biggest concern. Followed up with reasons why it's beneficial in other circumstances. I mean how much more transparent do you get. Idk not gonna get hate from this guy... Seems legit that doesn't mean it fits everyone's needs but it also doesn't claim to.

Basically I see it as the fixture gives up a small amount of output for better light spread with the ability to adjust spectrum and intensity. A great warranty and likely quality. If I needed a light I would give it a go.

I run an hlg 600 I'm positive I get more ppfd (more than I need in a 4x4), the light spread is pretty good but could be better. I could change out the boards from veg to flower for not to much of a cost in my view. It has a potentiometer so I can control the intensity.

I could sacrifice some ppfd for better light spread and a bit lower efficiency and benefit from the ability to change the spectrum. I cannot comment on the difference in quality.

It's a personal choice as to your needs. I could see it's benefits and drawbacks backs. Is it going to change the world in terms of growing... Nope. Do i think it can compete in the market... It's looking more and more like it the more digging I do.
 
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FYI...this is not a reply simply to Aqua Man, but a response to many of the questions that have been asked.

Man, everyone here is super jaded. I get it and can't really blame anyone as their is way too much BS out there. There have been a lot of accusations thrown here yet it was before most of you even took the time to see what we put out on our website. As an entrepreneur and a company creating jobs (45 currently) it is a tough balance to serve every type of customer out there and make enough revenue to feed the souls that put their life energy into creating these lights.

1.) These lights were created for the commercial grower. The robust construction and technology we chose to integrate means they can't compete with the DIY style lights. Some home growers want it, others don't. Compared to our competitors: Fluence, Black Dog, Spectrum King, ProGrowTech, etc. we are priced 10-30% less than them. This was a conscious decision to show the market that an American made light can be high quality and bought at a reasonable price. While other companies are trying to make 100% mark-up we are priced at 35-40%, which is the bare minimum for a company to keep it's doors open. It is also ridiculously expensive to get UL certifications in the US and Canada, CE in Europe and get listed on DLC, and commercial companies can't use the DIY lights because of this.

2.) There is no question the more LEDs spread out evenly work the best. Period. Unfortunately this isn't possible for all grow scenarios, especially greenhouse and large single level (high bay) styles of grows. Our current linear lights (Dragon series) have 196 five watt LEDs which is why they are only have an efficiency of 2.15. Our next gen, due out in January, will have 528 five watt LEDs, driven to 600w maximum, meaning they will run at 20% of capacity and have efficiency closer to 2.4. The LED cost alone for 528 five watt LEDs (including the reds) is almost $200. The reason our other line (Raging K) uses optics is the (a) it is part of our brand; (b) it allows larger grows to clean them and work in wet environments where conformal coated non-optic/lensed lights will fail over time and (c) we believe, and have seen proof, that our unique optical emission pattern does penetrate deeper due to more light being on the angle, directly challenging the inverse square law.

3.) We have done everything possible to be super transparent. Since the beginning our website has had PAR maps (real ones, not some X pattern leaving out important data) in both tents and in larger rooms. We even have the light lab reports up there as well. www.ScynceLED.com

4.) It is true that spectrum tuning, as I already eluded to, is an unknown today. Our lights, like others that are tunable, do mean sacrificing wattage (power) as you take out parts of the spectrum. This is changing though. Our Raging Kale light was the first light on the market that is full-power spectrum tunable. That means you can push all 250 watts that this fixture has available into the cool or warm channel, sacrificing nothing to tune in your desired spectrum. This feature will be built into all of our lights come Q1 of 2020. We have also patented a way to do this with a single power supply, every other tunable light has a single power supply per color channel. This approach of a single power supply keeps the costs down and the retail prices as low as possible.

5.) The optics on these lights were designed to work in synergy with multiple lights. Comparing them 1-2-1 with other lights yields average results. The real power here is what we call cross-beaming instead of traditional cross-lighting.

6.) We make no claims of 3+ pounds a light or other nonsense. Yes we have partners getting these results but we don't market that way. Everyone I have ever met wants us to give them lights so they can compare them. We have put over $100k into true 3rd party light testing partners and 80% of the time they fail to report back, make multiple changes that don't give true comparison results or simply fall off the face of the earth. I previously listed multiple IG growers that you can reach out to to independently verify the results they have gotten. While I do have test results that we have compiled they wouldn't be trusted so why share them?

You would be hard pressed to find another light manufacturer this open and transparent. The style of attacks many of you have launched will prevent me and other manufacturers from engaging in, what could be anyways, a great venue for open and honest conversations. Might I suggest that we leave the skeletons in the closet, eliminate the rhetoric and give everyone a chance to show their true colors before we stomp on them?

As someone who has been part of and believes in the unique cannabis "community," we all know that in life and this industry in particular it takes a village. Not everyone is out to screw the next person. Businesses need to make money and the good ones can honor their clients at the same time making it a win-win for everyone. While we aren't perfect, that is our highest pursuit.
considering the majority here are private and not commercial growers this light is really out of our league. If someone can come up with a cost effective LED, without features that mean nothing to plants,then yes, we are going to be jaded. We grow and smoke for the final result, not to sell.
 
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FYI...this is not a reply simply to Aqua Man, but a response to many of the questions that have been asked.

Man, everyone here is super jaded. I get it and can't really blame anyone as their is way too much BS out there. There have been a lot of accusations thrown here yet it was before most of you even took the time to see what we put out on our website. As an entrepreneur and a company creating jobs (45 currently) it is a tough balance to serve every type of customer out there and make enough revenue to feed the souls that put their life energy into creating these lights.

1.) These lights were created for the commercial grower. The robust construction and technology we chose to integrate means they can't compete with the DIY style lights. Some home growers want it, others don't. Compared to our competitors: Fluence, Black Dog, Spectrum King, ProGrowTech, etc. we are priced 10-30% less than them. This was a conscious decision to show the market that an American made light can be high quality and bought at a reasonable price. While other companies are trying to make 100% mark-up we are priced at 35-40%, which is the bare minimum for a company to keep it's doors open. It is also ridiculously expensive to get UL certifications in the US and Canada, CE in Europe and get listed on DLC, and commercial companies can't use the DIY lights because of this.

2.) There is no question the more LEDs spread out evenly work the best. Period. Unfortunately this isn't possible for all grow scenarios, especially greenhouse and large single level (high bay) styles of grows. Our current linear lights (Dragon series) have 196 five watt LEDs which is why they are only have an efficiency of 2.15. Our next gen, due out in January, will have 528 five watt LEDs, driven to 600w maximum, meaning they will run at 20% of capacity and have efficiency closer to 2.4. The LED cost alone for 528 five watt LEDs (including the reds) is almost $200. The reason our other line (Raging K) uses optics is the (a) it is part of our brand; (b) it allows larger grows to clean them and work in wet environments where conformal coated non-optic/lensed lights will fail over time and (c) we believe, and have seen proof, that our unique optical emission pattern does penetrate deeper due to more light being on the angle, directly challenging the inverse square law.

3.) We have done everything possible to be super transparent. Since the beginning our website has had PAR maps (real ones, not some X pattern leaving out important data) in both tents and in larger rooms. We even have the light lab reports up there as well. www.ScynceLED.com

4.) It is true that spectrum tuning, as I already eluded to, is an unknown today. Our lights, like others that are tunable, do mean sacrificing wattage (power) as you take out parts of the spectrum. This is changing though. Our Raging Kale light was the first light on the market that is full-power spectrum tunable. That means you can push all 250 watts that this fixture has available into the cool or warm channel, sacrificing nothing to tune in your desired spectrum. This feature will be built into all of our lights come Q1 of 2020. We have also patented a way to do this with a single power supply, every other tunable light has a single power supply per color channel. This approach of a single power supply keeps the costs down and the retail prices as low as possible.

5.) The optics on these lights were designed to work in synergy with multiple lights. Comparing them 1-2-1 with other lights yields average results. The real power here is what we call cross-beaming instead of traditional cross-lighting.

6.) We make no claims of 3+ pounds a light or other nonsense. Yes we have partners getting these results but we don't market that way. Everyone I have ever met wants us to give them lights so they can compare them. We have put over $100k into true 3rd party light testing partners and 80% of the time they fail to report back, make multiple changes that don't give true comparison results or simply fall off the face of the earth. I previously listed multiple IG growers that you can reach out to to independently verify the results they have gotten. While I do have test results that we have compiled they wouldn't be trusted so why share them?

You would be hard pressed to find another light manufacturer this open and transparent. The style of attacks many of you have launched will prevent me and other manufacturers from engaging in, what could be anyways, a great venue for open and honest conversations. Might I suggest that we leave the skeletons in the closet, eliminate the rhetoric and give everyone a chance to show their true colors before we stomp on them?

As someone who has been part of and believes in the unique cannabis "community," we all know that in life and this industry in particular it takes a village. Not everyone is out to screw the next person. Businesses need to make money and the good ones can honor their clients at the same time making it a win-win for everyone. While we aren't perfect, that is our highest pursuit.
You just missed the market you should be catering to, the home grower. I wish you luck.
 
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