If its not Organic! 100% its just any other drug

[BigCube]

Ok boomer would have been quicker to say lol.

Yeah, no. I have mad respect for the boomers. People forget all the shit they accomplished. They are an easy scapegoat. So easy to blame current problems on former people.

But seriously man, I suggest really looking in to this stuff. I'm not telling you to stop growing organic or anything. I dont care how you grow as long as you're happy with it. It's just when you fly off on all this proven false nonsense, and refuse to even admit that the most educated and most informed people in the world, who's job it is to research this stuff, disagree with you.

May your buds be forever plentiful.

 

[Dbear180]

I know I just try to find any chance i can to rile up the synth guys.

Ha! I like you already!

 

[FourthCity]

Yeah, no. I have mad respect for the boomers. People forget all the shit they accomplished. They are an easy scapegoat. So easy to blame current problems on former people.

But seriously man, I suggest really looking in to this stuff. I'm not telling you to stop growing organic or anything. I dont care how you grow as long as you're happy with it. It's just when you fly off on all this proven false nonsense, and refuse to even admit that the most educated and most informed people in the world, who's job it is to research this stuff, disagree with you.

May your buds be forever plentiful.

You forgot to mention organic nutrients from fertilizer run the risk of containing antibiotics, antibiotic resistant bacteria, pharmaceuticals, hormones, and pathogens.

 

[Dbear180]

Not leaving you out Bigcube, I like you too homie

Was just saying this little banter between opposite ends was silly

 

[BigCube]

Not leaving you out Bigcube, I like you too homie

Was just saying this little banter between opposite ends was silly

Thanks man, I think you're cool too

I get it, if this stuff wasn't fun in some way, none of us would be doing it

 

[stanknugzz77]

I enjoy organic as much as the next dirty fucking hippy and try to utilize that route when possible, but why did OP knock other drugs? I really enjoy a lot of those too. And as with everything, different strokes for different folks. I will do my best to not knock yours, as long as I am able to do what I wish. Positive vibes...

~nugzz

 

[bongstar]

Wow. Still no case?

Books? Pages? Lol what?

I also think you made your case. I also think that you think it's a good case.

But what you dont know, is that I know you dont know that I know it's not even a "case". Its just fluffy hippy dippy feelings. And "it's my truth" type sadness.

OK now that you've made your ignorance known by putting it up on display and making us acknowledge it. We will sit back and see who else gives a shit

I'm sorry if you feel like I'm attacking you, or "slandering" you (not the right word for the action by the way). It can often feel like that when people disagree with you. I suggest not "debating" people if you cant handle people disagreeing with you.

I'm sure you're a great guy, unfortunately even nice people can be wrong. The real virtue of being human though, is that we can investigate things. We can test things, we can manipulate things and we can create things.

When you find wonder again, when you actually want to find the underlying reality of a thing. I hope you use those tools you have up there in your head and follow the absolute best thing we have going for us as a species. The scientific method.

No really I'm a real person too

Ok never felt attacked. Just put up info backing synthetics tendencies to create protiens of inferior quality. Please back your case that they don't. Please bring something to the table besides. ( Nice people can be wrong. The sienentifitific method was used buy countless people in these studies. So please stop shooting from the hip. People did investigate And used the sienentifitific method and had findings. I posted by them.

 

[bongstar]

I'm out here guys, got a few brains stirring though. Challenge makes us all better. Ill post again please read it synth folks it is good info take what you can from it.

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

The sienentifitific method was used buy countless people in these studies.

What is the sienentifitific method? I've never heard of it ... and why was it used to "buy" countless people?

I know what the scientific method is, and I agree that it's been used by countless millions of people ... but when I read the pages you've posted, I see no reference to scientific research. Instead, I hear very loudly the author's personal opinion.

As I stated before, there is value in a properly done organic grow. I won't argue that. However, I'm going to point out that the plant really doesn't care where these nutrients come from ... only that it can utilize it for it's metabolic processes. I'm not seeing how at the atomic level, one source of nitrogen or potassium is different than the other. It's all the same element. Other controls like pH have more to do with how it's used than whether it came from salts .... or (I thought this was funny) a bat's ass.

 

[THCMonster]

I'm out here guys, got a few brains stirring though. Challenge makes us all better. Ill post again please read it synth folks it is good info take what you can from it.

Lol, you over here still just posting pics a book on here! Lets make this super simple!

You post pictures of your grow with your USERNAME written on a piece of paper in the photo to make sure you arent stealing someone else shit!

And ill do the same! We'll see whose is better! Hows that? And I run true Organics, meaning I ferment my own nutrients! So lets see if your book is better then Practice!

Ill be waiting for those pics!

I also run synthetics in my commerical facility, and we pass lab tests!

I bet your would fail every test!

Cant wait to see your pics! 🕵

 

[MIMedGrower]

I'm out here guys, got a few brains stirring though. Challenge makes us all better. Ill post again please read it synth folks it is good info take what you can from it.

There are no actual studies quoted in any of the paragraphs copied here from this book. Just statements. And it reads like opinion. It is written with an agenda. The agenda is about our farmland soils being depleted by unsustainable practice. Which is true.

But it has nothing to do with container or even marijuana gardening at all.

It says deficient soils cause imperfect protiens. I dont grow in deficient soils. You may if you stick to pure organics in containers. I prefer a hybrid method insuring the plant gets everything it needs through multiple sources. Processed fertilizer is one of those sources.


As usual the psuedo religious weird organic vs chemical argument the organic side is mis quoting info and applying it to all pot growing.

You read one fact that sounds like it applies and now all “chemical” weed is synthetic.

Lol. ;-)


And how come none of these “organic” lessons cone with any plant pics showing the superior results. Mine are right in my signature.

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

There are no actual studies quoted in any of the paragraphs copied here from this book. Just statements. And it reads like opinion. It is written with an agenda. The agenda is about our farmland soils being depleted by unsustainable practice. Which is true.

But it has nothing to do with container or even marijuana gardening at all.

It says deficient soils cause imperfect protiens. I dont grow in deficient soils. You may if you stick to pure organics in containers. I prefer a hybrid method insuring the plant gets everything it needs through multiple sources. Processed fertilizer is one of those sources.


As usual the psuedo religious weird organic vs chemical argument the organic side is mis quoting info and applying it to all pot growing.

You read one fact that sounds like it applies and now all “chemical” weed is synthetic.

Lol. ;-)


And how come none of these “organic” lessons cone with any plant pics showing the superior results. Mine are right in my signature.

Well written post "MiMedGrower"

I've also heard that a picture is worth a 1000 words ... what do you think?

 

[MIGrampaUSA]

Lol, you over here still just posting pics a book on here! Lets make this super simple!

You post pictures of your grow with your USERNAME written on a piece of paper in the photo to make sure you arent stealing someone else shit!

And ill do the same! We'll see whose is better! Hows that? And I run true Organics, meaning I ferment my own nutrients! So lets see if your book is better then Practice!

Ill be waiting for those pics!

I also run synthetics in my commerical facility, and we pass lab tests!

I bet your would fail every test!

Cant wait to see your pics! 🕵

Reading between the lines here ... What I hear you saying is both salt based and organic based can be done with great success. In both cases, attention to every detail means more than the source of the nutes.

 

[THCMonster]

Still waiting on those pics though!

 

[bongstar]

Well first off if you would like too see pics of my organic weed, just ask. No need to revert to posting emojis and hahas .also my pic is of a plant not piece of paper. You seem try and attack me in any way possible as if it will nullify my statements. I actually make many of and compost alot of my own nutes but not all. Incuding my sugars from Palm dates . I pass all test required for recreational and medical . Pictures can be shown and will. But it will not prove either of our cases. Yours Wich youHave yet to even state or back up in any manner. I can put a picture of reagent grade lye and lab grade lye and the difference of it make up will not be shown in photos. There is a civil way to debate points. And making false statements about my grow and a book that you haven't read is not the correct way. I have not miss quoted. I have not made assumption about your grow. Our grows do not prove, disprove or back either of our points. Wich you seem still to not have stated. Also I did not post all 900 pages. Or the research they cited. Or other study's that say the same for that matter. No one would read it all. I posted some of the findings, i try to get to the heart of the matter. Please back your case civilly or I will not waste my time. But either way I'll post some pics.

 

[bongstar]

Reading between the lines here ... What I hear you saying is both salt based and organic based can be done with great success. In both cases, attention to every detail means more than the source of the nutes.

Yes absolutely.

 

[bongstar]

There are no actual studies quoted in any of the paragraphs copied here from this book. Just statements. And it reads like opinion. It is written with an agenda. The agenda is about our farmland soils being depleted by unsustainable practice. Which is true.

But it has nothing to do with container or even marijuana gardening at all.

It says deficient soils cause imperfect protiens. I dont grow in deficient soils. You may if you stick to pure organics in containers. I prefer a hybrid method insuring the plant gets everything it needs through multiple sources. Processed fertilizer is one of those sources.


As usual the psuedo religious weird organic vs chemical argument the organic side is mis quoting info and applying it to all pot growing.

You read one fact that sounds like it applies and now all “chemical” weed is synthetic.

Lol. ;-)


And how come none of these “organic” lessons cone with any plant pics showing the superior results. Mine are right in my signature.

Again you didnt read it. It clearly stated that synthetic nutes, not deficient soils create a inferior and bastard protiens. You are miss quoting. The book has plenty off studies were cited. Just didn't post them. Knowledge can be taught. Science can be bought. Big big oil money and chemical companies pay for many studies to benefit there case, along with organic companies. He mansanto has studies that say glyphosate is harmless and they had top scientist at there law suits say the same.Ihave read alot of agenda based books and my gut tells me this was done because of care for health. But I may be wrong about that. I know many other study's state the Same thing and it makes sense to me through my own reaserch done.

 

[Deadstill]

I am on the fence on this issue. I personally lean more towards common sense in chemistry as it was one of my course of studies at one point in my life.

All I really want to say is, that book was published **60 years ago** and I specifically remember seeing it and flipping through it in my high school library with their vast collection of ancient tomes.

If you want to discount the last 60 years of scientific research with a mildew ridden book written in a time before PLASTIC then by all means go ahead but I for one can't ignore how much further science has advanced and grow in a time machine..

I'm not knockin' anyone here one way or the other. Everyone has their own way of doing things, and if it works for you, that's fantastic and keep up the good work. I just don't like to see people arguing over a subject that is really, in the grand scheme of growing, a very controversial subject. Everyone is going to have their own unique opinion, we can't agree all of the time.

I do enjoy seeing everyone's different perspectives on this subject, though. Carry on.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Again you didnt read it. It clearly stated that synthetic nutes, not deficient soils create a inferior and bastard protiens. You are miss quoting. The book has plenty off studies were cited. Just didn't post them. Knowledge can be taught. Science can be bought. Big big oil money and chemical companies pay for many studies to benefit there case, along with organic companies. He mansanto has studies that say glyphosate is harmless and they had top scientist at there law suits say the same.Ihave read alot of agenda based books and my gut tells me this was done because of care for health. But I may be wrong about that. I know many other study's state the Same thing and it makes sense to me through my own reaserch done.

Lots of talking points you repeat but i am not politically motivated and dont argue with propoganda.

All I meant was there was no reference each time the author quoted a scientist. Thats because he is picking and choosing facts to support his agenda.

You can spin it any way you want but they are talking about commercial farmland. Not our growroom containers.

And i am not picking one method or another. I have read extensively about all the subjects involved.

I also agree sustainable farming is needed.

But the only credible reference to organic breakdown i have seen (sorry I dont have it saved) is that a certain food cultivar had developed more flavanoids in a lab test grown organically with bacterial inoculation vs. a nuetral medium with chemical salt based fertilizers.

The feeling was that more diverse forms of nutrients may have more or different effect than a single source. Which i agree with and utilize in my grows.

Im sorry I dont remember more details.

 

[THCMonster]

Well first off if you would like too see pics of my organic weed, just ask. No need to revert to posting emojis and hahas .also my pic is of a plant not piece of paper. You seem try and attack me in any way possible as if it will nullify my statements. I actually make many of and compost alot of my own nutes but not all. Incuding my sugars from Palm dates . I pass all test required for recreational and medical . Pictures can be shown and will. But it will not prove either of our cases. Yours Wich youHave yet to even state or back up in any manner. I can put a picture of reagent grade lye and lab grade lye and the difference of it make up will not be shown in photos. There is a civil way to debate points. And making false statements about my grow and a book that you haven't read is not the correct way. I have not miss quoted. I have not made assumption about your grow. Our grows do not prove, disprove or back either of our points. Wich you seem still to not have stated. Also I did not post all 900 pages. Or the research they cited. Or other study's that say the same for that matter. No one would read it all. I posted some of the findings, i try to get to the heart of the matter. Please back your case civilly or I will not waste my time. But either way I'll post some pics.

So if you have plants why cant you hold a piece of paper up in the photo that says your username on here?

Otherwise you could just take any photo off the internet and claim the plant is yours!

And I did ask for a pic, thats why theres a question mark at the end of the sentence!

Still waiting on those photos!