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[Dr.Green55]

I was going to add another 25% perlite to it but now I'm thinking and going to change that to vermiculite for the silica in it. That should give me a 50/25/25 peat/vermiculite/perlite. I was planning exactly as you say... Treating it like coco. Thank you for confirming that for me. I have good environmental controls... Everything on controllers and will be supplementing CO2. My own real concern is bugs... I have never had to deal with them and dirt has me terrified in that area.

Will be running mega crop and hygrowzyme. Possibly some myco but haven't decided yet. Should be set up by Sunday room wise but decision wise I'm not sure. We will see how she goes... If I get close to @dirtbags results by some miracle then I may stay in it... If not we'll then I will likely be inclined to jump ship. I really appreciate the information bro

I never really used vermiculite/perlite so can't comment on that, as far as bugs stay away from organic stuff, or god help ya lol , sunshine won't have any , as long as you have a clean room, tight room, and don't take any in you'll be fine , I never have any

 

[Aqua Man]

I never really used vermiculite/perlite so can't comment on that, as far as bugs stay away from organic stuff, or god help ya lol , sunshine won't have any , as long as you have a clean room, tight room, and don't take any in you'll be fine , I never have any

Hoping so... I checked the bail over every nook and cranny to make sure it wasn't punctured. Good to hear that

 

[Beachwalker]

I was going to add another 25% perlite to it but now I'm thinking and going to change that to vermiculite for the silica in it. That should give me a 50/25/25 peat/vermiculite/perlite. I was planning exactly as you say... Treating it like coco. Thank you for confirming that for me. I have good environmental controls... Everything on controllers and will be supplementing CO2. My own real concern is bugs... I have never had to deal with them and dirt has me terrified in that area.

Will be running mega crop and hygrowzyme. Possibly some myco but haven't decided yet. Should be set up by Sunday room wise but decision wise I'm not sure. We will see how she goes... If I get close to @dirtbags results by some miracle then I may stay in it... If not we'll then I will likely be inclined to jump ship. I really appreciate the information bro

I've seen it listed in potting mixes but in my opinion vermiculite holds a lot of water, I don't know if I'd want 25% of it in my mix?

 

[Aqua Man]

I never really used vermiculite/perlite so can't comment on that, as far as bugs stay away from organic stuff, or god help ya lol , sunshine won't have any , as long as you have a clean room, tight room, and don't take any in you'll be fine , I never have any

Sunshine 4 has 25-35% perlite already mixed in... I'm adding more except vermiculite to increase drainage even more and treat it more like coco was my thought.

 

[Aqua Man]

I've seen it listed in potting mixes but in my opinion vermiculite holds a lot of water, I don't know if I'd want 25% of it in my mix?

Well sunshine 4 has 25-35% perlite already vermiculite in adding to increase drainage and for silica source. This peat mix won't go through the regular wet dry cycle so much because if the drainage... That's the plan atleast will see how she goes though.

 

[Beachwalker]

Well sunshine 4 has 25-35% perlite already vermiculite in adding to increase drainage and for silica source. This peat mix won't go through the regular wet dry cycle so much because if the drainage... That's the plan atleast will see how she goes though.

Yeah that's why I mentioned it because I only use vermiculite to hold water because it Wicks it and holds it like a sponge

I'm using it now in my clone starting mix, which is 2 parts perlite/1 part vermiculite because the vermiculite Wicks the water up from the bottom, I used to add it to my lecca in sog flood and drain trays back in the day for that very purpose

Myself I wouldn't use it with soil, or not over 5% if at all, but I'm not familiar with Sunshine mix so maybe that'll work out? Just wanted to mention it because yeah I do use it just for the sponge like property that it has

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah that's why I mentioned it because I only use vermiculite to hold water because it Wicks it and holds it like a sponge

I'm using it now in my clone starting mix, which is 2 parts perlite/1 part vermiculite because the vermiculite Wicks the water up from the bottom, I used to add it to my lecca in sog flood and drain trays back in the day for that very purpose

Myself I wouldn't use it with soil, or not over 5% if at all, but I'm not familiar with Sunshine mix so maybe that'll work out? Just wanted to mention it because yeah I do use it just for the sponge like property that it has

Appreciate it bro... I'll look a little more into it

 

[Dr.Green55]

Yeah that's why I mentioned it because I only use vermiculite to hold water because it Wicks it and holds it like a sponge

I'm using it now in my clone starting mix, which is 2 parts perlite/1 part vermiculite because the vermiculite Wicks the water up from the bottom, I used to add it to my lecca in sog flood and drain trays back in the day for that very purpose

Myself I wouldn't use it with soil, or not over 5% if at all, but I'm not familiar with Sunshine mix so maybe that'll work out? Just wanted to mention it because yeah I do use it just for the sponge like property that it has

Hey man question , when you say clone starting mix do you mean clones that have roots go in it, or cuttings that are to be rooted go in it , is that all it is 2 parts perlite/1 part vermiculite ? also both has a ph of about 7 do you soak it or anything first to bring ph down, or just use lower ph water when you feed. Thanks

 

[Beachwalker]

Hey man question , when you say clone starting mix do you mean clones that have roots go in it, or cuttings that are to be rooted go in it , is that all it is 2 parts perlite/1 part vermiculite ? also both has a ph of about 7 do you soak it or anything first to bring ph down, or just use lower ph water when you feed. Thanks

I am rooting cuttings in it; it's normally my seed starting mix, but I had some trouble in the bubble cloner so I'm giving this a try, it's worked before

I have a set in it now, I'm going to be checking them for roots this weekend

regarding pH, I drop it everyday down to about 6.4 because it does want to rise like you mentioned, hope that helps

 

[Dirtbag]

I have no doubt peat mixes in larger pots do fantastic. If you scroll back in this thread you will see how fast my plants grew in 5 gallon fabric pots of proterra which is like promix. It was close to this coco round for sure.

The difference for me is it took 5x the media. I'm getting the same or faster growth in 1 gallon of coco. That's way cheaper for me and easier to drag down to the shed.

I'll save some scrolling; this was after 4 weeks of veg in the fabric pot grow in proterra. I actually used 7 gal pots with the sides rolled down a bit, and had 5-6 gals of proterra in them.
They did well, they grew fast but they were never as perky looking as these coco plants, though I admit that could be because of the changes in feeding technique. And I wasnt pruning nearly as heavily during this grow as I do now so they are leafier.. But you get the idea. I also think the enormous black pots make the room look fuller than it is.

Compared to 4 weeks in 1 gallon pots of coco. Cant even see the pots they're so small.

 

[Aqua Man]

I have no doubt peat mixes in larger pots do fantastic. If you scroll back in this thread you will see how fast my plants grew in 5 gallon fabric pots of proterra which is like promix. It was close to this coco round for sure.

The difference for me is it took 5x the media. I'm getting the same or faster growth in 1 gallon of coco. That's way cheaper for me and easier to drag down to the shed.

I'll save some scrolling; this was after 4 weeks of veg in the fabric pot grow in proterra. I actually used 7 gal pots with the sides rolled down a bit, and had 5-6 gals of proterra in them.
They did well, they grew fast but they were never as perky looking as these coco plants, though I admit that could be because of the changes in feeding technique. And I wasnt pruning nearly as heavily during this grow as I do now so they are leafier.. But you get the idea. I also think the enormous black pots make the room look fuller than it is.
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Compared to 4 weeks in 1 gallon pots of coco. Cant even see the pots they're so small.View attachment 968052

Hey @Dirtbag hope ya don't mind me cluttering with a few questions. I am height limited about 6.5' with a 50/25/25 mix I have this urge that I can do it in 1 gal. But my be safe part of the brain keeps saying 3gal. I have both I just don't want to end up up potting in flower. I will prob run a couple of each just to see

Thoughts on this?

 

[Dirtbag]

Hey @Dirtbag hope ya don't mind me cluttering with a few questions. I am height limited about 6.5' with a 50/25/25 mix I have this urge that I can do it in 1 gal. But my be safe part of the brain keeps saying 3gal. I have both I just don't want to end up up potting in flower. I will prob run a couple of each just to see

Thoughts on this?

Not at all man. What's the mix made up of?
1 gallon might be a bit small if it doesnt hold a ton of water. Sort of the reason you can get away with small containers of rockwool or coco is the massive water holding capacity. My buddy was explicit, if doing 1 gal fabrics of coco it has to be pure coco. He tried 1 gals with 25% perlite and they just dried up too fast. He had to water like 6 times a day and in the dark to keep them from drying out.

Height limited I'd probably want to use pots that are shallow and wide using a peat mix, like say a 5 gallon fabric pot but only fill it 2/3 full. But you'll also get more stretch and height the bigger the pot you use... That's tough. Not much height to play with.

For sure I'd scrog train them under a couple screens to keep it from goin up as long as possible.

 

[Aqua Man]

Not at all man. What's the mix made up of?
1 gallon might be a bit small if it doesnt hold a ton of water. Sort of the reason you can get away with small containers of rockwool or coco is the massive water holding capacity. My buddy was explicit, if doing 1 gal fabrics of coco it has to be pure coco. He tried 1 gals with 25% perlite and they just dried up too fast. He had to water like 6 times a day and in the dark to keep them from drying out.

Height limited I'd probably want to use pots that are shallow and wide using a peat mix, like say a 5 gallon fabric pot but only fill it 2/3 full. But you'll also get more stretch and height the bigger the pot you use... That's tough. Not much height to play with.

For sure I'd scrog train them under a couple screens to keep it from goin up as long as possible.

Thanks man the mix is sunshine 4 it has 25-35% perlite in it and adding 25% vermiculite to that for silica and good better drainage. I'm thinking more plants less veg time so smaller pots. Also thinking of just topping instead of scrog for ease of moving stuff and pulling out males since these are all reg seeds.

 

[Dirtbag]

Lol, this song came up in my playlist workin in the shed last night. Havent heard it in years.

So fitting during the flu lockdown, lyrics are perfect lol. And you know what kinda flowers I'm counting hahaha.

 

[Dirtbag]

Thanks man the mix is sunshine 4 it has 25-35% perlite in it and adding 25% vermiculite to that for silica and good better drainage. I'm thinking more plants less veg time so smaller pots. Also thinking of just topping instead of scrog for ease of moving stuff and pulling out makes since these are all reg seeds.

I havent used vermiculite since the 90's, never had a lot of luck with it.
But I've done a lot of 1 gallon promix grows. I found 2 weeks veg was about as long as I could go before flip. But I put 50 of them under a single light and usually flipped as soon as they started to grow.

I'd pack 100 plants onto an 8x4'tray under 2x 1000w lights. Had a few rooms setup that way for a while.

 

[MIMedGrower]

I have no doubt peat mixes in larger pots do fantastic. If you scroll back in this thread you will see how fast my plants grew in 5 gallon fabric pots of proterra which is like promix. It was close to this coco round for sure.

The difference for me is it took 5x the media. I'm getting the same or faster growth in 1 gallon of coco. That's way cheaper for me and easier to drag down to the shed.

I'll save some scrolling; this was after 4 weeks of veg in the fabric pot grow in proterra. I actually used 7 gal pots with the sides rolled down a bit, and had 5-6 gals of proterra in them.
They did well, they grew fast but they were never as perky looking as these coco plants, though I admit that could be because of the changes in feeding technique. And I wasnt pruning nearly as heavily during this grow as I do now so they are leafier.. But you get the idea. I also think the enormous black pots make the room look fuller than it is.
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Compared to 4 weeks in 1 gallon pots of coco. Cant even see the pots they're so small.View attachment 968052

The growth is faster with the coco no doubt regardless of pot size but i have consistantly got over 5 oz per plant with 5 weeks veg and final #3 nursery pots. Even have yielded almost half pound.

That pot volume is about 2.4 gallons or almost 10 liters. I think if fertilizing 5’s are overkill for peat too.

 

[Aqua Man]

I havent used vermiculite since the 90's, never had a lot of luck with it.
But I've done a lot of 1 gallon promix grows. I found 2 weeks veg was about as long as I could go before flip. But I put 50 of them under a single light and usually flipped as soon as they started to grow.

I'd pack 100 plants onto an 8x4'tray under 2x 1000w lights. Had a few rooms setup that way for a while.

Hmmm this sounds about right to me. Probably start with 20 and clone each then flip pull males and pick a mom while continuing to veg the clones.

 

[Aqua Man]

The growth is faster with the coco no doubt regardless of pot size but i have consistantly got over 5 oz per plant with 5 weeks veg and final #3 nursery pots. Even have yielded almost half pound.

That pot volume is about 2.4 gallons or almost 10 liters. I think if fertilizing 5’s are overkill for peat too.

Yeah I have 5's but not considering them 3 will be the most I go... The devil on my shoulder keeps saying try 1 gal lol. Thanks @MIMedGrower

 

[MIMedGrower]

Hey @Dirtbag hope ya don't mind me cluttering with a few questions. I am height limited about 6.5' with a 50/25/25 mix I have this urge that I can do it in 1 gal. But my be safe part of the brain keeps saying 3gal. I have both I just don't want to end up up potting in flower. I will prob run a couple of each just to see

Thoughts on this?

I switched to 3’s (plastic nursery pots) to limit plant size but after some practice the plants got big anyway.

I have similar height as you and have to top or bend plants almost every time.

 

[Aqua Man]

I switched to 3’s (plastic nursery pots) to limit plant size but after some practice the plants got big anyway.

I have similar height as you and have to top or bend plants almost every time.

Think that settles it .. 3 gal it shall be. I have the cheap nursery pots also.