Irie Seeds "Orange Gasm" under Gavita Pro 1700e LED's..........

[Dr.Green55]

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These are about the only other ones I found with a 5 year warranty , I know nothing about them, so not sure how they compare to the Gavita's , I believe they are made in Canada

I've been looking at the Matrx Redd

 

[Aqua Man]

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These are about the only other ones I found with a 5 year warranty , I know nothing about them, so not sure how they compare to the Gavita's , I believe they are made in Canada

I've been looking at the Matrx Redd

Cost more than Gavita's. No info I could see on specific diodes etc. But they look well done.

 

[Dr.Green55]

Cost more than Gavita's. No info I could see on specific diodes etc. But they look well done.

yeah not cheap, I might send them an email and see what I can find out but you think it would be on their page

the matrx 630 is a few hundred less but the matrx redd is a little more then the gavita

 

[sshz]

Oh, and don’t forget- make sure they are waterproof!!!

 

[Dr.Green55]

Oh, and don’t forget- make sure they are waterproof!!!

I think I read they are , they also offer and 8 week trail don't like it send it back

 

[Aqua Man]

I think I read they are , they also offer and 8 week trail don't like it send it back

That's impressive.

 

[Dr.Green55]

Ok you LED guys whats the technical questions about the light I should be asking?

 

[Aqua Man]

Ok you LED guys whats the technical questions about the light I should be asking?

Information on diodes brand and bin, driver, cooling passive or other, recommended % of power to run at, tempsnof the fixture at 100% power after stabilized, angle of the lenses, A ppfd map if possible, are they 3rd party tested for verified specifications, the diode makeup of the fixture (are they all the same or is there a ratio of red, mixture of say 3000k and 5000k, 4000k etc)


Those are the ones that jump out to me.

 

[Dr.Green55]

Information on diodes brand and bin, driver, cooling passive or other, recommended % of power to run at, tempsnof the fixture at 100% power after stabilized, angle of the lenses, A ppfd map if possible, are they 3rd party tested for verified specifications, the diode makeup of the fixture (are they all the same or is there a ratio of red, mixture of say 3000k and 5000k, 4000k etc)


Those are the ones that jump out to me.

Thank you I will ask them all that and get back to you with what they and see what you think , what i know so far is, Samsung’s newest chip design , cooling passive cpmplete dust and water jet safe

 

[Aqua Man]

Thank you I will ask them all that and get back to you with what they and see what you think , what i know so far is, Samsung’s newest chip design , cooling passive cpmplete dust and water jet safe

Sounds like a very promising start

 

[sshz]

We passed 9,000 hits in the thread today.......... it seems to be picking up steam.

 

[Dr.Green55]

Information on diodes brand and bin, driver, cooling passive or other, recommended % of power to run at, tempsnof the fixture at 100% power after stabilized, angle of the lenses, A ppfd map if possible, are they 3rd party tested for verified specifications, the diode makeup of the fixture (are they all the same or is there a ratio of red, mixture of say 3000k and 5000k, 4000k etc)


Those are the ones that jump out to me.

check this out

 

[sshz]

The video basically tells me I don't have to keep the lights as close as I am to produce well............ he has a massive spread between the high and low stuff. It's back up to 18+ inches for me in flowering moving forward. This is even more true after I hang the reflective sheeting on the walls when the crop is finished.

 

[Frankster]

A few things about the Gavita's vs. all the other LED, including the above one............

Check the warranty...........Gavita offers an industry leading 5 year warranty, I haven't seen anyone else offer anything above 3 years. The reason they offer a better warranty is because they don't "push" the diodes to the same degree, so they last longer.

Next up is the amount of diodes the lights include. The Gavita has around 3300+, most of the other similar ones have about 1000 less diodes. This is why they don't have to push them hard, the extra amount of diodes makes up for the difference in light.

Lastly, I don't believe the above claim of 3.0 umol/J.........what I've read is many manufacturers overstate that number and it's more likely around 2.8 or so. There is a calculation to figure it out which I don't know, but I see others discussing it......... so make sure you check that out thoroughly.

When I bought the Gavita's, I knew absolutely nothing about LED's. I have grower friends in Colorado, with big buck operations. This was the unit recommended to me, and I just bought them. I didn't ask any questions, I trust them explicitly.

Yea, I think the 3.0 umol/j is most obiviously theoretical. (although, I was actually thinking 2.6 or 2.7 umol/j) But maybe your right. I suspect because the IR and UV in these lights, making it more difficult to easily measure (but an expensive/integral component, takes up resources) So there likely accounting for the unmeasurable spectrum that's not going to show on a standard light meter, probably only able to measure on a mass spectrometry, which is hella expensive.

I've been studying this tech for awhile now, since around 2010, (I've also built my own computers for the last 20 years, watercooling and all) and I've done tons of research. The UV/IR is necessary from my perspective for overall enhanced oil production during the flower.

I've taken 2 of my lights apart the last few days to maintenance them, clean them up, and check them out, (clean the fans and heatsyncs, remove dust from the driver units) then back into service, I've got some avionics (corrosion x) that's really good for keeping them in top running condition. I've also thought about using conformal silicon to enhance there "waterproofing" But I've not done that yet. (I"ve done it to my drones) I'm kinda an electronics geek as well as the cannabis thing. I want my stuff to last, so maintenance is a must. I've got good soldering and electrical troubleshooting skills, so that's not a problem if something happens at some point..

LED's have more maintenance issues than HPS units, especially if any fans are involved for active cooling. That's why I like the newer units like yours, but there not without potential problems either. Ever allowing these lights to heat up, is a really, really bad thing, and diminishes overall efficiency and lifespan, just as you say.

I'll probably open this next light tomorrow, maybe I'll take more pictures of what I actually do inside.

 

[Frankster]

What I notice with almost all lights out there these days is this, that really good air filtering is becoming not only important, but virtually necessary, and I suppose that's a good thing, because a clean environment is a must.

Passive or active cooling, they need to remain clean to run cool.

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[ChRonic73]

New sub here..and just in time to see the harvest coming up. It's been a long time since a thread has kept my attention to read it through in one sitting..Great job SSHZ. Some grow sites are all about playing swords and measuring tapes. this has been refreshing and informative. I too am an old guy messing with the new growing tech, Though not quite as high end as your stuff ;) actually haven't even set mine up yet, still waiting for my seeds. I haven't grown in 20+ years so a lot has changed. I went with full spectrum LEDs, but couldn't resist throwing a CMH in there..just needed some sort of bulb to satisfy this old brain, we will see how it turns out..

What has made this thread so awesome is your experience and humility..for a dude that has been growing for 25 years to not have a closed mind and super ego is very rare rare. Of course the others that have chimed in have been equally chivalrous

Thank you for the info, pictures and videos.. I am excited for your crop; it's almost like we have been growing this batch with you.
.Can't wait to see the results!

Peace,love and good vibes to this entire thread

 

[Frankster]

New sub here..and just in time to see the harvest coming up. It's been a long time since a thread has kept my attention to read it through in one sitting..Great job SSHZ. Some grow sites are all about playing swords and measuring tapes. this has been refreshing and informative. I too am an old guy messing with the new growing tech, Though not quite as high end as your stuff ;) actually haven't even set mine up yet, still waiting for my seeds. I haven't grown in 20+ years so a lot has changed. I went with full spectrum LEDs, but couldn't resist throwing a CMH in there..just needed some sort of bulb to satisfy this old brain, we will see how it turns out..

What has made this thread so awesome is your experience and humility..for a dude that has been growing for 25 years to not have a closed mind and super ego is very rare rare. Of course the others that have chimed in have been equally chivalrous

Thank you for the info, pictures and videos.. I am excited for your crop; it's almost like we have been growing this batch with you.
.Can't wait to see the results!

Peace,love and good vibes to this entire thread

Yea, I couldn't agree more. The level of professionalism I see on these forums is amazing, the staff is great. I'm interested to see how a hybrid LED old school setup might perform, it should be interesting. Are you planning on going to another spectrum during the flower, and do it all the way though the grow (ie. switch over to HPS?)

I've got 2 big double ended units sitting in my bedroom, along with some other older LED setups, and here I am thinking about another light.

 

[Milson]

Yea, I think the 3.0 umol/j is most obiviously theoretical. (although, I was actually thinking 2.6 or 2.7 umol/j) But maybe your right. I suspect because the IR and UV in these lights, making it more difficult to easily measure (but an expensive/integral component, takes up resources) So there likely accounting for the unmeasurable spectrum that's not going to show on a standard light meter, probably only able to measure on a mass spectrometry, which is hella expensive.

I've been studying this tech for awhile now, since around 2010, (I've also built my own computers for the last 20 years, watercooling and all) and I've done tons of research. The UV/IR is necessary from my perspective for overall enhanced oil production during the flower.

I've taken 2 of my lights apart the last few days to maintenance them, clean them up, and check them out, (clean the fans and heatsyncs, remove dust from the driver units) then back into service, I've got some avionics (corrosion x) that's really good for keeping them in top running condition. I've also thought about using conformal silicon to enhance there "waterproofing" But I've not done that yet. (I"ve done it to my drones) I'm kinda an electronics geek as well as the cannabis thing. I want my stuff to last, so maintenance is a must. I've got good soldering and electrical troubleshooting skills, so that's not a problem if something happens at some point..

LED's have more maintenance issues than HPS units, especially if any fans are involved for active cooling. That's why I like the newer units like yours, but there not without potential problems either. Ever allowing these lights to heat up, is a really, really bad thing, and diminishes overall efficiency and lifespan, just as you say.

I'll probably open this next light tomorrow, maybe I'll take more pictures of what I actually do inside.

If you love tinkering, have you tried building your own supplemental far red? I need more soldering skills but it does not look that hard. Cree sells the diodes in stars and singles...

There is no way on God's green earth I would drop over a grand on a piece of tech from that ebay listing. I don't believe them. Feel like I'm in a sketchy part of town, antenna are up, and nah. Just gut reaction.

I agree on UV and IR. Why I am using these. Not saying you should. Just sharing. The UV has a separate timer. Goes on four hours a day.

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[sshz]

Bud porn time..................2 plants, one on each side of the room are definitely further along than the rest and I expect will be done around day 60, which is next Monday. I had both plants under the magnifying glass and I'm seeing 99% cloudy, with just a slight hint of the beginning turn to amber. These two will be cut first, than I'll wait another 10 days to trim everything else- except the 3 plants that are far behind the rest. Click on the pic's and use the magnifier for some intense resin coverage.
I also spent some time picking off some of the larger sun leaves here and there, as it will make trimming easier in the end and the plants don't really need them at this point. Also, in the top pic, check the little bud on the bottom left.

 

[ChRonic73]

Yea, I couldn't agree more. The level of professionalism I see on these forums is amazing, the staff is great. I'm interested to see how a hybrid LED old school setup might perform, it should be interesting. Are you planning on going to another spectrum during the flower, and do it all the way though the grow (ie. switch over to HPS?)

I've got 2 big double ended units sitting in my bedroom, along with some other older LED setups, and here I am thinking about another light.

Still not fully decided.. watching this thread and few others. I am thinking about running my two 1800w cob lights through veg... then kick them over to the bloom setting for a couple weeks into flower..then turning on the 315w CMH (which hangs in the middle) to finish them off.. I'm still building this out at this point.. Got the tent up and the lights came in today.. still waiting for pots and seeds.they should be here by Friday..