Buying Viable Legit Pollen Online?

[redshift75]

So i never really sell pollen. I had all my strains i did pollen for this year. Bartered to send it to some people. Was mostly just "here is pollen if it helps". I usually do everything i can to store it, its junk within 6 months 100% of the time for me. Well this time.... No idea what happened. Started to mail out pollen. The pollen was showing up filled with mold. I mean it was dried put in baked flour. I mean i did it all. Used an anti caking agent. I used a lab grade dryer. No idea what happened. To make me feel worse about the situation. My pollen i have is still good.... It was probably the worst feeling for me this season to try to be helpful and have it make me look like an asshole.

but to @BioStimz point. I did everything right and still couldnt handle going to the end user through shipping... :( made me feel terrible. Which is why i dont charge people. But if they do end up with some nice seeds its always cool to put them in my genetic bank. Cause the reality is, by the time i cut the pollen and store it, i end up with 10x more than id ever need to use in my limits. especially this year. lots of locals loved the pollen but thats where it stopped viable and im not sure how i could have done it better.

 

[growsince79]

So i never really sell pollen. I had all my strains i did pollen for this year. Bartered to send it to some people. Was mostly just "here is pollen if it helps". I usually do everything i can to store it, its junk within 6 months 100% of the time for me. Well this time.... No idea what happened. Started to mail out pollen. The pollen was showing up filled with mold. I mean it was dried put in baked flour. I mean i did it all. Used an anti caking agent. I used a lab grade dryer. No idea what happened. To make me feel worse about the situation. My pollen i have is still good.... It was probably the worst feeling for me this season to try to be helpful and have it make me look like an asshole.

but to @BioStimz point. I did everything right and still couldnt handle going to the end user through shipping... :( made me feel terrible. Which is why i dont charge people. But if they do end up with some nice seeds its always cool to put them in my genetic bank. Cause the reality is, by the time i cut the pollen and store it, i end up with 10x more than id ever need to use in my limits. especially this year. lots of locals loved the pollen but thats where it stopped viable and im not sure how i could have done it better.

I have pollen that still worked after 14 months. It just has to be kept frozen until you you it. If someone wanted to ship, dry ice might work idk.

 

[redshift75]

I have pollen that still worked after 14 months. It just has to be kept frozen until you you it. If someone wanted to ship, dry ice might work idk.

i can store certain pollens a long time. Cannabis never stays for me. When i say that i mean sure i might have a 2% viability. I may get a seed. When i can put 1 puff of pollen in a tent and its fully going to seed vs dumping a bag of flour in the tent. I consider that largely not viable. its more a best by date. Others have told me they stored it for over a year. Just in my case it never stores/freezes/thaws properly. I use cryovial tubes which is same way i store my ornamental pollen and freeze it at -60c Honestly i dont know how i could do cannabis pollen any different in a lab setting.

I feel like i have the gift of green thumb. In that i can gift something and it makes their stuff green after using my thumbs. I keep it and its like "sorry mate, good on ya for trying".


but all those reasons are why its not commercially viable to me. As too much risk in transit, handling, use that falls back on the origin. I mean we see lab studies using old pollen. Had a breeder in oregon who sells pollen all over west coast was going to show me how he does it in his lab and it stays good for 2 years. But I moved before i had the chance to shadow him for a week or two to learn the secrets of cannabis pollen. He did tell me i needed to tweak my method. SO im sure i could do it better and find my ghost in the system.



But honestly ive never stored pollen over a year to test viability. 14 months may be the longest i've ever held pollen and tried to use it early on. last few times When i say 6 months that is my baseline that 6 months is my dud pollen. Speaking to viability id hate to mentally put myself in a position where i had 2 years and a few chances to find the right one to reverse for pollen than hope my pollen is good 12-24 months later. if i spent all that time and hit the point i needed pollen finally for my pheno hunt and pulled it out and did nothing. Id be devastated at the lost time. So consider it more a formal way of me striving to maintain 'Optimum'.





which in hindsight, yes freezer packs and a freezer tube wasnt enough and honestly a small pack and a chunk of dry ice may have done it in transit. I feel like what happened was when it thawed inside the pack or stopped being fully cool may have created conditions that lead to condensation and give it enough time the mold popped up. To be fair 1 of the guys with mold said everything around the mold seems to have worked. I also feel like had i collected the pollen not using a pollen grinder. Would have reduced my risk of introducing mold into the pollen. I told him not to use the pollen because i fear it may have been Fusarium culmorum. but he did either way. As i was dealing with that during time of collection. may have crossed over even with precautions.

 

[growsince79]

i can store certain pollens a long time. Cannabis never stays for me. When i say that i mean sure i might have a 2% viability. I may get a seed. When i can put 1 puff of pollen in a tent and its fully going to seed vs dumping a bag of flour in the tent. I consider that largely not viable. its more a best by date. Others have told me they stored it for over a year. Just in my case it never stores/freezes/thaws properly. I use cryovial tubes which is same way i store my ornamental pollen and freeze it at -60c Honestly i dont know how i could do cannabis pollen any different in a lab setting.

I feel like i have the gift of green thumb. In that i can gift something and it makes their stuff green after using my thumbs. I keep it and its like "sorry mate, good on ya for trying".


but all those reasons are why its not commercially viable to me. As too much risk in transit, handling, use that falls back on the origin. I mean we see lab studies using old pollen. Had a breeder in oregon who sells pollen all over west coast was going to show me how he does it in his lab and it stays good for 2 years. But I moved before i had the chance to shadow him for a week or two to learn the secrets of cannabis pollen. He did tell me i needed to tweak my method. SO im sure i could do it better and find my ghost in the system.



But honestly ive never stored pollen over a year to test viability. 14 months may be the longest i've ever held pollen and tried to use it early on. last few times When i say 6 months that is my baseline that 6 months is my dud pollen. Speaking to viability id hate to mentally put myself in a position where i had 2 years and a few chances to find the right one to reverse for pollen than hope my pollen is good 12-24 months later. if i spent all that time and hit the point i needed pollen finally for my pheno hunt and pulled it out and did nothing. Id be devastated at the lost time. So consider it more a formal way of me striving to maintain 'Optimum'.





which in hindsight, yes freezer packs and a freezer tube wasnt enough and honestly a small pack and a chunk of dry ice may have done it in transit. I feel like what happened was when it thawed inside the pack or stopped being fully cool may have created conditions that lead to condensation and give it enough time the mold popped up. To be fair 1 of the guys with mold said everything around the mold seems to have worked. I also feel like had i collected the pollen not using a pollen grinder. Would have reduced my risk of introducing mold into the pollen. I told him not to use the pollen because i fear it may have been Fusarium culmorum. but he did either way. As i was dealing with that during time of collection. may have crossed over even with precautions.

I don't mix with flour at all. Just put the collected pollen inside an envelope in a jar of dry rice and freeze it. 14 months and perfectly viable. I have one more pack I'll try sometime next year.

 

[redshift75]

I don't mix with flour at all. Just put the collected pollen inside an envelope in a jar of dry rice and freeze it. 14 months and perfectly viable. I have one more pack I'll try sometime next year.

i cook flour and cut it with flour so when i put it in the air dryer i dont cook it. Helps it go further when i put it in a duster. I suppose to that metric ive never tried to store pollen without the flour. I could use some lab grade stuff instead of flour but at a higher cost. I do it with my ornamental pollen never had issues. if i did pure pollen id have to charge maybe 4-5x the price for ornamental pollen. so maybe thats why that vial is $500? I still have some males im going to turn. I will try to see how it works storing it as pure/fresh and just add an inert anti-caking agent. will see how it holds til next year. Maybe make 3 vials and test viability and do 3 with flour and see how it works out. My candy strain is my goto and i will be running it continuous here on out. so works for me to get to test it. I guess my thought was always storing them in a condition where i have to do as little as possible when i thaw for my usage. Pull it out let it thaw get to ambient then i dust my tent using a duster bulb duster like a turkey baster but smaller and not quite a pipette.


I found this year the results of pollenating with a male plant in the tent straight up. Made me want to forego even using stored pollen. but with legal limits is only way i can stay legal.

may take me a while to dial everything in, in a new region. Took me a couple tries to get the air dryer to where i wanted it with RH + temp changes and such. My conditions in MI are def not same as Oregon. as there i had a much nicer climate controlled place that was super clean and all stainless. have to hit that mark out here. But the actual farm comes first cannabis 2nd.

 

[growsince79]

i cook flour and cut it with flour so when i put it in the air dryer i dont cook it. Helps it go further when i put it in a duster. I suppose to that metric ive never tried to store pollen without the flour. I could use some lab grade stuff instead of flour but at a higher cost. I do it with my ornamental pollen never had issues. if i did pure pollen id have to charge maybe 4-5x the price for ornamental pollen. so maybe thats why that vial is $500? I still have some males im going to turn. I will try to see how it works storing it as pure/fresh and just add an inert anti-caking agent. will see how it holds til next year. Maybe make 3 vials and test viability and do 3 with flour and see how it works out. My candy strain is my goto and i will be running it continuous here on out. so works for me to get to test it. I guess my thought was always storing them in a condition where i have to do as little as possible when i thaw for my usage. Pull it out let it thaw get to ambient then i dust my tent using a duster bulb duster like a turkey baster but smaller and not quite a pipette.


I found this year the results of pollenating with a male plant in the tent straight up. Made me want to forego even using stored pollen. but with legal limits is only way i can stay legal.

may take me a while to dial everything in, in a new region. Took me a couple tries to get the air dryer to where i wanted it with RH + temp changes and such. My conditions in MI are def not same as Oregon. as there i had a much nicer climate controlled place that was super clean and all stainless. have to hit that mark out here. But the actual farm comes first cannabis 2nd.

Why the air dryer?

 

[Kasper0909]

I will test anyone's pollen out and I won't even charge. I'll even send you back a bunch of seeds. These are Jack herer and Tahoe og.