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Aquaman goes COCO. (Mother hunt)

With soil Id just be careful not to go too shallow. If it takes the plant 3-5 days to use up the water the roots will be O2 starved if 80% of the root mass is in the saturated zone. This video explains in a roundabout way why a shallow rootzone isnt good...
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Dirtbag said:
With soil Id just be careful not to go too shallow. If it takes the plant 3-5 days to use up the water the roots will be O2 starved if 80% of the root mass is in the saturated zone.

This video explains in a roundabout way why a shallow rootzone isnt good for soil grown plants. Its about rocks in pots and perched water tables but i think if you watch this you will understand better what im getting at.

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I see exactly what you're saying now. I guess I'll stick to coco for it.
 
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gorillaglueaaron said:
I'm curious if adding vermiculite might help lower the saturated zone.
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I dont think so, vermiculite soaks up water pretty good. Chunky Perlite can help to lower it a bit though.
May have noticed in that video the pot of pure peat had a water table more than twice the height of the mix with 50% perlite.
 
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gorillaglueaaron said:
That's what I was thinking but I don't have any at the moment. Would this still be a problem in fabric pots?
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Less of an issue but only because fabric pots dry up faster, leaving the roots in the saturated zone for less time.

And hey man, i got you lol. Im curious enough im running a little experiment with sandwich bags for "pots". One has 3/4 cup promix organic seed starting mix which is fairly dense, the other has 1/2 cup promix and 1/4 cup vermiculite for a blend of 33% vermiculite.

I soaked both and am letting them drain from 8 small holes per bag along the seam to keep things even. I'll update once i can see where the water table sits, and what effect the vermiculite has on the saturated zone.
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Dirtbag said:
Less of an issue but only because fabric pots dry up faster, leaving the roots in the saturated zone for less time.

And hey man, i got you lol. Im curious enough im running a little experiment with sandwich bags for "pots". One has 3/4 cup promix organic seed starting mix which is fairly dense, the other has 1/2 cup promix and 1/4 cup vermiculite for a blend of 33% vermiculite.

I soaked both and am letting them drain from 8 small holes per bag along the seam to keep things even. I'll update once i can see where the water table sits, and what effect the vermiculite has on the saturated zone.View attachment 1080148
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And Dirtbag’s wife is asking him “so what’s tonight’s science experiment hon?”
 
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Huh. So it looks like the the saturated zone stayed about the same height, but considering the pre soak and post draining weight measurements, the one with 33% vermiculite held onto about 7% less water compared to the regular promix, so it does have more air in there. A problem i had was the vermiculite wanted to float right up out of the saturated zone, so it probably would not work too well in shallow media without the weight of soil above it holding it in place.
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Dirtbag said:
Huh. So it looks like the the saturated zone stayed about the same height, but considering the pre soak and post draining weight measurements, the one with 33% vermiculite held onto about 7% less water compared to the regular promix, so it does have more air in there. A problem i had was the vermiculite wanted to float right up out of the saturated zone, so it probably would not work too well in shallow media without the weight of soil above it holding it in place.View attachment 1080151
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Yea I found that every time I watered my soil, the vermiculite kept rising more and more to the point where I had to take some off the surface.
 
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Dirtbag said:
Lol, she doesnt ask anymore. Just gives my a coy look of "wut tha fucks he up to now..."
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So, referencing a post a few back, what effects does a spherical container have?

I would like to note also that by extension, these principles would preclude us from planting in the ground as the Earth is, indeed, a spherical kind of container
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Shape is far less important than height vs diameter. Every media has slightly different water column properties and different water tables or saturated zones. In most cases pots that are slightly taller than they are wide is preferred unless using root pruning smart pots or fabrics in which case Id prefer about equal height and width, or for larger pots slightly wider than they are tall. Round, square, triangle, doesnt matter. Just dont plant them in a spherical container 🤣
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Are you saying we can't plant in spherical containers?

*Ehem*...doesn't that put a whole new limitation on outdoor growing that would preclude us from planting in the ground given that the earth is, indeed, a kind of spherical container? Unless the Earth is flat...wait, is the Earth flat? I can't believe those people are right after all. Thanks, Dirtbag, for clearing that up! (Suck it Copernicus, you too Galileo!)

But seriously, and just out of general interest/curiosity, what effects does a spherical container have?
 
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Vesti Bule said:
So, referencing a post a few back, what effects does a spherical container have?

I would like to note also that by extension, these principles would preclude us from planting in the ground as the Earth is, indeed, a spherical kind of container

Are you saying we can't plant in spherical containers?

*Ehem*...doesn't that put a whole new limitation on outdoor growing that would preclude us from planting in the ground given that the earth is, indeed, a kind of spherical container? Unless the Earth is flat...wait, is the Earth flat? I can't believe those people are right after all. Thanks, Dirtbag, for clearing that up! (Suck it Copernicus, you too Galileo!)

But seriously, and just out of general interest/curiosity, what effects does a spherical container have?
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It would roll around, i assume.
 
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Wait, if I had an upside down pyramid container, I'd get hardly any saturation zone. Would there be any problems with that?
 
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Aqua Man said:
Its a bloody mess I just propped em up and left em. They are perking back up but have to wait a few days to see how many more leaves I have to pull. My back is way to sore. Both shift I worked supposed to be 10 hrs and both days I ended up working overtime. The last one was 14 hrs. Had a major break down at the end of my shift and was stuck there until it was fixed... my back is screaming. I wont lose em but I have to take all the sakes out after and redo it... tied up to close to keep them upright for now.
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Looks like the PGR's are really starting to kick in there @Aqua Man. Nice WORK!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I'll make it down the tonight maybe.. if not tomorrow... I swear I'm so lazy its unreal... been averaging like 4 hrs of sleep and just can't get motivated lol.... constant daze of being tired... come to think of it ever since I ran out of edibles... maybe I'm gonna do some gummies tonight.
 
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