First DWC. overwhelmed with names and chemicals and additives

[amekins]

Warmer temos in lights out than lights on... the reason being massive will cause a lot more stretch increasing node length, from my experience quite a bit.

By running warmer night temls and cooler day temps even by a degree or 2 it will reduce the internode spacing reducing or eliminating this issue.

Fascinating! Thank you! It must alter the plants calls for growth hormones?

 

[Aqua Man]

If that happens, maybe @Aqua Man can do me a favor and remove my bitchy post about his/her inability to process information already provided. :-)

Its all good when I get some time inwill edit my ph post to add some of my info to make it more user friendly.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Interesting article here. Says tradeoff to negative diff and shorter plants is less flowers.

Temperature Integration - Greenhouse Product News

Plant development is primarily a function of temperature; crops develop progressively faster as temperature increases, until some high temperature at which they grow as fast as possible. Some sources of information give crop production times based only on recommended night temperatures. However...

gpnmag.com

 

[Aqua Man]

Fascinating! Thank you! It must alter the plants calls for growth hormones?

Different processes day and night and the temps allow you to manipulate growth between those. Hormones may be involved but I feel its more related to signaling of type of growth. Which may involve hormones but I honestly don't have an answer on that... I'll do some digging over the next few weeks and see if I cant make a post that can be linked with a full explanation. Again wont be my work but ita valuable to use in height limited spaces with lanky plants or super stretchers. Not something I would use on the norm though. More of a oh shit I need to reduce the node spacing thing.

 

[amekins]

Different processes day and night and the temps allow you to manipulate growth between those. Hormones may be involved but I feel its more related to signaling of type of growth. Which may involve hormones but I honestly don't have an answer on that... I'll do some digging over the next few weeks and see if I cant make a post that can be linked with a full explanation. Again wont be my work but ita valuable to use in height limited spaces with lanky plants or super stretchers. Not something I would use on the norm though. More of a oh shit I need to reduce the node spacing thing.

Got it. And, it’s bottom of the list, buddy.

 

[Aqua Man]

Interesting article here. Says tradeoff to negative diff and shorter plants is less flowers.

Temperature Integration - Greenhouse Product News

Plant development is primarily a function of temperature; crops develop progressively faster as temperature increases, until some high temperature at which they grow as fast as possible. Some sources of information give crop production times based only on recommended night temperatures. However...

gpnmag.com

Yeah I need to dig into it but my brain is telling me it actually reduces overall growth by slowing metabolism when the plants would normally be producing more of it. Of course I could be wrong and the growth is just more compact and wider.. speaking of the stems in particular

 

[MIMedGrower]

Yeah I need to dig into it but my brain is telling me it actually reduces overall growth by slowing metabolism when the plants would normally be producing more of it. Of course I could be wrong and the growth is just more compact and wider.. speaking of the stems in particular

i dont know yet. But i came across that while trying to find out the cause of action like @amekins was guessing.

 

[Aqua Man]

i dont know yet. But i came across that while trying to find out the cause of action like @amekins was guessing.

Lol my first thought is wanna make a thread on so I can sticky it.

 

[Stugots]

Th

+1

For further validation of the silica def comment, I only started using silica when I started growing again last year. I did so begrudgingly even simply because I've been around long enough to have seen a thousand snake oils come and go. Silica is the only thing I've used, aside from my PK booster of choice, that seems to have had any real noticeable impact on plant health.

With all the basics, plants will do their thing just fine. Adding silica just makes em structurally more sound, and seems to have positive benefits in alleviating stress symptoms. As @Aqua Man said, get the basics in order, plants healthy, then once everything is stabilized entertain the idea of additional additives.

Digging further into the silica use topic.

In my system, I start with 12 gallons of tap water, pH ~8 and ~160ppm. I add 60ml of protekt silica solution, allow to mix for 15-20 minutes. This drives the pH up to over 10, and increases ppm's by about 20-25. I then use on average 45ml of pH down (phosphoric acid) to get the pH to 6.5, then proceed adding the rest of my components (two part salts, then hygrozyme). This puts my final pH at about 6.0-6.2. I pH down with an additional 10-15ml pH solution to hit 5.5.

The pH remains stable for the duration of the res, maybe dropping a little. When i eliminated the expired hydroguard, I eliminated massive pH fluctuations. I equate the stability 100% to the silica's alkalinity. Without it, my tap simply isn't alkaline enough to keep the pH from nose-diving throughout a res cycle.

Thank you for getting back to me on this

 

[TheBadChoice]

Y’all should goto my grow thread and blow me up with info, maybe have more than just poor @Aqua Man typing pages on content

 

[tobh]

Th


Thank you for getting back to me on this

@Aqua Man is the one the schooled me on this. Hell, until I read his DWC top off thread, I had no idea that I needed to be letting the solution mix thoroughly between adding each component, and certainly didn't realize one MUST pH down to 6.5 after adding silica and before adding anything else.

Those two details alone alleviated a slough of issues I was experiencing. Then, hydroguard started playin , and again, The Man of Aqua came through with the knowledge bomb of checking the production date because Bezos likes to sell expired warez.

 

[Grownsince95]

@Aqua Man is the one the schooled me on this. Hell, until I read his DWC top off thread, I had no idea that I needed to be letting the solution mix thoroughly between adding each component, and certainly didn't realize one MUST pH down to 6.5 after adding silica and before adding anything else.

Those two details alone alleviated a slough of issues I was experiencing. Then, hydroguard started playin , and again, The Man of Aqua came through with the knowledge bomb of checking the production date because Bezos likes to sell expired warez.

Everyone who read that thread and went back to check their serial numbers was like....wtf????

#knowledgebomb

 

[airedog]

Can someone give me a remedial SEARCH lesson? I can't find the thread that mentions how to find the Hydroguard 'best before date'.

I should have known better too, as i got burned by Amazon on some stale dated cold-pressed salmon oil for the dogs (and i had thought AN nutes were pricy...).

 

[godspeed2k86]

Can someone give me a remedial SEARCH lesson? I can't find the thread that mentions how to find the Hydroguard 'best before date'.

I should have known better too, as i got burned by Amazon on some stale dated cold-pressed salmon oil for the dogs (and i had thought AN nutes were pricy...).

Here is a current lot code breakdown for botanicare

 

[tobh]

Can someone give me a remedial SEARCH lesson? I can't find the thread that mentions how to find the Hydroguard 'best before date'.

I should have known better too, as i got burned by Amazon on some stale dated cold-pressed salmon oil for the dogs (and i had thought AN nutes were pricy...).

So, you can search by keyword and in the "By member" box, you can filter by the member that posted the info. The caveat is you need to be sure who posted what you're after. Otherwise, if you know the title of the tread, you can check the "Search titles only" thread, which is super helpful in general for finding threads about specific topics.

 

[smokedareefer]

So, you can search by keyword and in the "By member" box, you can filter by the member that posted the info. The caveat is you need to be sure who posted what you're after. Otherwise, if you know the title of the tread, you can check the "Search titles only" thread, which is super helpful in general for finding threads about specific topics.

Thats how it's supposed to work but.... i hd a post about gnats in my flower room.

You would think searching for gnats would return that in title

 

[MIMedGrower]

Thats how it's supposed to work but.... i hd a post about gnats in my flower room.

You would think searching for gnats would return that in title
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i dont know why but you have to click advanced search and that works.

 

[smokedareefer]

i dont know why but you have to click advanced search and that works.

Yes that did work. Thanks

I haven't been on alot of forums but the search function here needs work. Imo

 

[airedog]

That's a relief, thought i was having a senior's moment.

 

[MIMedGrower]

Yes that did work. Thanks

I haven't been on alot of forums but the search function here needs work. Imo

It stopped working right when they recently upgraded. The message feature messes up too for my iphone x. The words reformat and keep going past the page in responses. Pain in the butt the more responses the more f’ed ip tje page gets.

@Aqua Man