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you can't put leds in the same room as hps and try them to compare they need to be led in one room and hps in the other however some ppl recommend the hps with the the led so u can get the heat from the hps and the spectrum from the led and they do really well we took all the light out our barns and replaced all leds and couldn't be happier I personally pull way more weight off the leds with my lights on 50% thats like 300w a light we have 8 fluence spider 2i per room once u figure out how to grow with the led (cus it is different) grams per watt should be way better our last we got 1.9 per watt on a lower yielding strain but it was fires
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I've got to see it, before I buy into it. On a flawless grow, which I never take for granted, under a 1K hps, I can't see it possible to fit anymore bud under the light?
I realize I've been out of the game a while, but I have a hard time believing an LED can come close. I've yet to see anyone producing well under LEDs since I've been back on the forum.
I'd like to do a comparison once things are up and running around these parts.
Vegging, yes. I believe ya can veg pretty well, same with T5's though. MH's end up making the mother plants grow too quick, so i wouldn't mind an LED for veg.
I start new mother's every 8 weeks (FWIW) with the best of the clones.
Actually if someone even showed me a 3lb table, and an LED above it, I'd figure they switched the light for the pic lol.
I'd have to do it myself..
Why would a grower be able to put an HPS in a roim full of LED's? It may be true, but I'd think the supplemental light in the 2000isk K spectrum would only help.
I feel like the laws of physics are don't apply under LED by what I'm reading.
I now feel like the old man at the club 😪.
Thing is, I wish I knew as a kid what I know now.
I'm only confident with a few things in life these days. Growing is one of them.
My system is tried, and true, plus I'm very competitive. Once I get back in, I'm taking over. Yeah, I know that's a cocky statement, but given the opportunity, in time I honestly believe I'll get to the pinnacle quick. Not only growing, but with my genetics, and breeding.

I attatched a pic of how a clone should grow every time. It's hard to believe, so I posted a pic...A clone should be growing even before it shoots roots. Once i take em out of the domes (I hate EZ cloners), they only need to be vegged a few days, to a week. For trees, a 2 week veg, and zap em under the hps. My plants will consistently go from 12-14 inches, to 5-7 feet during the 3 week stretch.
Ih, i stopped using Rapid rooters. Rockwool only.
I don't remember the X in that plant, but I believe it's one of my keepers. Anyway, that's 2lbs, under a 600. I just can't see how I could have yielded more under LED??? That was just a seed test run under 1 light-1plant.
That is not my grow style either. That's a pain in the ass come harvest
Anyway, if someone can show me around a 4.5x4.5 sq ft with a better yield, and quality under an LED, I'd be stupid not to take a look
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Looking at that dome, those were the stragglers that took a few days longer. Oh, another tip, and many may already know. Forget the cloning gels, powders....
Dip N Grow is the best!!! I've went from a cutting to roots in 4 days. That stuff is amazing, and FAR cheaper than gels.
For every 1000 clones, ya should get 990 rooted at a max of 2 weeks. I'm not a fan of cloning, but it beats the hell out of trimming!
Eh, both suck lol
 
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I've got to see it, before I buy into it. On a flawless grow, which I never take for granted, under a 1K hps, I can't see it possible to fit anymore bud under the light?
I realize I've been out of the game a while, but I have a hard time believing an LED can come close. I've yet to see anyone producing well under LEDs since I've been back on the forum.
I'd like to do a comparison once things are up and running around these parts.
Vegging, yes. I believe ya can veg pretty well, same with T5's though. MH's end up making the mother plants grow too quick, so i wouldn't mind an LED for veg.
I start new mother's every 8 weeks (FWIW) with the best of the clones.
Actually if someone even showed me a 3lb table, and an LED above it, I'd figure they switched the light for the pic lol.
I'd have to do it myself..
Why would a grower be able to put an HPS in a roim full of LED's? It may be true, but I'd think the supplemental light in the 2000isk K spectrum would only help.
I feel like the laws of physics are don't apply under LED by what I'm reading.
I now feel like the old man at the club 😪.
Thing is, I wish I knew as a kid what I know now.
I'm only confident with a few things in life these days. Growing is one of them.
My system is tried, and true, plus I'm very competitive. Once I get back in, I'm taking over. Yeah, I know that's a cocky statement, but given the opportunity, in time I honestly believe I'll get to the pinnacle quick. Not only growing, but with my genetics, and breeding.

I attatched a pic of how a clone should grow every time. It's hard to believe, so I posted a pic...A clone should be growing even before it shoots roots. Once i take em out of the domes (I hate EZ cloners), they only need to be vegged a few days, to a week. For trees, a 2 week veg, and zap em under the hps. My plants will consistently go from 12-14 inches, to 5-7 feet during the 3 week stretch.
Ih, i stopped using Rapid rooters. Rockwool only.
I don't remember the X in that plant, but I believe it's one of my keepers. Anyway, that's 2lbs, under a 600. I just can't see how I could have yielded more under LED??? That was just a seed test run under 1 light-1plant.
That is not my grow style either. That's a pain in the ass come harvest
Anyway, if someone can show me around a 4.5x4.5 sq ft with a better yield, and quality under an LED, I'd be stupid not to take a look View attachment 1109296
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You seem quite convinced that LED is worse but haven’t used them?

the only real way to know would be to grow 2 clones in the same environment one under each with some way to isolate the lights so they don’t have any influence on the other plant. I have done it, the difference to me was less than an ounce difference, everything else without actual lab testing was damn near identical. Now figure in the environmental controls needed to get rid of the heat plus the efficiency of the LED it was a no brainer to go LED. I used a $250 Mars hydro LED so not the best light, with an HLG or other high end light it may be a different story
 
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Strange, my post didn't post.
Yes, you are correct.
I need to either do it, or watch someone who are top notch document a comparison.
I also am very confident. Almost cocky, but there's a difference.
Those who know it all can't learn anything. I do not know it all. Not by a long shot.
I'd actually enjoy meeting someone who has more experience, and gets better results
 
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Strange, my post didn't post.
Yes, you are correct.
I need to either do it, or watch someone who are top notch document a comparison.
I also am very confident. Almost cocky, but there's a difference.
Those who know it all can't learn anything. I do not know it all. Not by a long shot.
I'd actually enjoy meeting someone who has more experience, and gets better results
What organic nutrients should I be using I’m using advanced nutrients rn and having a hard time with soil ph
 
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I'm not a fan of AN, but it works.
What's the PH going in, and ppms.
What's the same readings coming out?
What kind of soil are you using?
Ph going in is supposed to be 6.4 but I don’t really know I was using a 12$ ph meter got a better one now though the soil is fox farm ocean forest and ppms are between 1000 -1200 I’m using purified water cuz I have hard water so I’m adding in calmag 2ml per liter usin the advanced nutrients 2ml per L and one tbsp of molasses just started 2nd week of flower today and noticed a day or two ago my soil ph was high in the 8 range so past two days been using just water and vinegar with low ph to bring it down
 
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Ph going in is supposed to be 6.4 but I don’t really know I was using a 12$ ph meter got a better one now though the soil is fox farm ocean forest and ppms are between 1000 -1200 I’m using purified water cuz I have hard water so I’m adding in calmag 2ml per liter usin the advanced nutrients 2ml per L and one tbsp of molasses just started 2nd week of flower today and noticed a day or two ago my soil ph was high in the 8 range so past two days been using just water and vinegar with low ph to bring it down
Yes, getva better meter asap.
Your soil is hot. Fox Farms used to have such clean soil back in the day. Now I've seen sticks, bark......
Feed only ph'd water until you get to about 700 ppms.
When you know your ph, let me know, and youll have em healthy in no time.
Ph going into soil should be between 6.5-7. 6.8 being optimal
 
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Yes, getva better meter asap.
Your soil is hot. Fox Farms used to have such clean soil back in the day. Now I've seen sticks, bark......
Feed only ph'd water until you get to about 700 ppms.
When you know your ph, let me know, and youll have em healthy in no time.
Ph going into soil should be between 6.5-7. 6.8 being optimal
So after I used just water and vinegar today it’s down to 7-6 next watering probably tomorrow morning I’m gonna use my nutes again but I did this yesterday with just water an vinegar it went down then this morning was up again I’m worried if I use my nutes it will just keep going up
 
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Now that looks like the product of an HPS? The cameras have gotten so much better, I can't be certain.
If 71 was the year you were born, and you're the "Old Guy", I'm right with ya.
Not old enough to have seen Zeppelin

It’s under a 3000k kingbrite 240w led.
Born in 71 going to be 50 this year. Who have guessed I’d live this long
 
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It’s under a 3000k kingbrite 240w led.
Born in 71 going to be 50 this year. Who have guessed I’d live this long
Ok, i really know nothing about LEDs. As for age. Yip, I'm exactly in your shoes there.
Did you start with LEDs, or swith from HPS?
3000k is a better spectrum for flowering (I could have swore 2700k is ideal), but I read about that so long ago, I could be mistaken how many lumens does it put out, per 240W?
 
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Ok, i really know nothing about LEDs. As for age. Yip, I'm exactly in your shoes there.
Did you start with LEDs, or swith from HPS?
3000k is a better spectrum for flowering (I could have swore 2700k is ideal), but I read about that so long ago, I could be mistaken how many lumens does it put out, per 240W?
I started with hps back in the day. I switched to leds about 4 years ago. As far as I know 2700k is best but these have added red diodes. I don’t know the color temp the ladies see. Don’t know the lumens either. They have 2 of the 288 lm301H boards and meanwell hlg driver so they are super efficient.
 
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Nice! The clone only East Coast SD is a legend. A monster yielder, and extremely potent.
Does she pop late nanners that are sterile?
It's probably the lighting, but it almost looks like it did have enough N going into flower. Is that the light? It's rare to be low on N, but I've seen flowers do that. It's always ended up looking killer due to the light color foliage. Do you take that about 70 days?
I miss growing the ECSD. It's one of the few strains that can break yield records
 
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