Cloning gone all wrong attempt #5

[Lacey]

We are on attempt #5 of cloning.
Attempt 1: Aeroponics
Water was too cold. Too much light. Did not PH water. We corrected and had about 8 plants root and survive. Lost about 100 clones
Attempt 2: Aeroponics
Heat wave came and water got too warm. PH water was good. Added fan. Every plant went to mush! Lost over 100 clones.
Attempt 3: Riot Root cubes in tray:
Used no dome, Used too much water, PH was good, Used light 12 on 12 off. Nothing rooted. Lost about 60 clones.
Attempt 4: Found out Riot Cubes had a issues with too much glue when they moved facilities. Used a dome, sprayed dome 2 times a day, PH water was good, used light for 12 on 12 off, Changed cubes once we found out about the too much glue issue. Noticed mildew smell then mildew on the stems. Tossed over 60 clones out because of it.

Current attempt #5: New Riot Cubes, Ph water is good, using dome(spray dome twice a day) light 24 on till day 4. Heat wave came again and moved clones into house. Started to smell a bit of mildew, took dome off. we are on day 6 and 3 clones went to mush, 6 more are looking like they are shriveling up.
2/3 of the clones were dipped in ConeX 1/3 were dipped in Vita Grow. The Vita Grow are looking good. No roots yet on any of the clones.
Water level is at the ridges on the bottom of the tray. Dome is off to help with more air flow at the moment.

Tired of loosing clones. Any pointer or things we haven't tried yet?

 

[karolanne]

Waw that is so sad.

 

[GanjaFarmer24]

I'd get a digital humidity gauge and put it in amongst the plants. Your humidity doesn't need to be super duper high. 60-65% is fine. Also, start focusing more on tool sterilization. Bad bacteria can cause low clone rates. Are you scraping the stems prior to treating?

I have used Botone powder to clone twice, into cups of dirt. Worked both times. Did take like 10 days to see new growth again though.

 

[growsince79]

High tech cloner. 95% success in 10 days. Place cut in soil and cover.

 

[Lacey]

High tech cloner. 95% success in 10 days. Place cut in soil and cover.
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You did this from cut to soil? No rooting first?
Thank You. This is one we have not tried yet.

 

[Lacey]

I'd get a digital humidity gauge and put it in amongst the plants. Your humidity doesn't need to be super duper high. 60-65% is fine. Also, start focusing more on tool sterilization. Bad bacteria can cause low clone rates. Are you scraping the stems prior to treating?

I have used Botone powder to clone twice, into cups of dirt. Worked both times. Did take like 10 days to see new growth again though.

Yes, we are scraping the stems prior.
I noticed the clones were getting droopy, so I sprayed the dome and put it back on. Hoping they will perk back up.
We are using clean tools every time.
Not sure how we can put a humidity reader inside a dome.

 

[Goblinkiller]

Rooting in aeroponics is supposed to be easy so I suspect your Cubes.

Also if yoy have not tried you can try rooting hormone as well...

If I was in your country i would help you :)

Edit: wont need humidity reader,keep it very moist.
Also: do you cut at 45 degree angle?

 

[Lacey]

Rooting in aeroponics is supposed to be easy so I suspect your Cubes.

Also if yoy have not tried you can try rooting hormone as well...

If I was in your country i would help you :)

Edit: wont need humidity reader,keep it very moist.
Also: do you cut at 45 degree angle?

We have a large aeroponics system. It has not been easy by any means. We have used 2 different kinds of rooting hormones.
The cuttings are cut at 45 degrees and scraped, then dipped in rooting hormones, then set into rooting cubes.

 

[jguit]

Similar to @growsince79 , I clone directly into promix. Success rate is very high! I've successfully used aero and bubble cloners in the past but this is by far the least fussy method I've personally used. Just make sure whatever medium you use isnt too wet or dry. I typically take the humidity dome off after a week. I also have the vents to the humidity dome open the whole time and remove the dome whenever i remember to exchange the air.

 

[Ponky]

I use 2 inch cloning collars. Power heads or air stones. And I put then in a 45 liter tub. With 6.0 tap water. Wait 3 weeks. Bam. Clones.
Even the most finicky plants will drop roots in water. I have clones still going in a tub from plants I've already cropped. They're still alive. With massive roots. I just haven't thrown them out to reset yet.
My second choice. Rapid rooters. They're pretty fool proof.

 

[growsince79]

You did this from cut to soil? No rooting first?
Thank You. This is one we have not tried yet.

I've used promix and cocoloc/promix mix. I always make small clones. Cut all big leaves off so only the growing tip is left. Once a day I remove the baggie and mist the bag not the cut and put it back on. After a week I take the bag off for an hour and put it back on. Next day bag off 2 hours and back on. When I see them starting to grow- usually within ten days the bags are off for good.

 

[Ponky]

https://indoorgrowingcanada.com/pro...MIo9a-3c_b8QIVGR6tBh3-bQjUEAQYASABEgKlUvD_BwE if you grab one of these it will give you hassle free clones. Can be had for less sometimes. Just add tap water. Ph it. And top it up as needed with tap water. Clean and reuse. I prefer to grow 7 to 10 clones for every 1 plant I want to finish. I only grow the champions. Runts get the chop.

 

[mysticepipedon]

I would have suggested an aero-cloner, but, uh… never mind.

 

[elduderito]

Clone with 18/6 or 24h light (low intensity!!!) -- I think your problem is the 12/12 lighting

I would stick with the root riot cubes and humidity dome... keep dome on you should be close to or at 100% humidity... what are your temps?

 

[Lacey]

Clone with 18/6 or 24h light (low intensity!!!) -- I think your problem is the 12/12 lighting

I would stick with the root riot cubes and humidity dome... keep dome on you should be close to or at 100% humidity... what are your temps?

It got too hot in the grow room(still building it) so I brought them in the house. It is about 80 degrees where they are at now. They get natural light but not direct light.

 

[elduderito]

get them under some low powered grow lights... even a fluorescent shop light.... I don't think natural light will cut it and it seems like they're not getting close to 18hours per day...

 

[Lacey]

get them under some low powered grow lights... even a fluorescent shop light.... I don't think natural light will cut it and it seems like they're not getting close to 18hours per day...

I will get that set up this morning. Thank You.

 

[lvstealth]

biggest thing with cuttings from anything is the lighting. they need light, but just a tad.

your plant is growing, you snip a growing bit off. to be honest, they dont even know it for a little bit.

now, you have this bit that doesnt know enough to die. it has everything it needs to live, and will till it uses that up or finds a way to get more stuff to live. the only thing it needs at this point is ROOTS.
your plant just wants to live. she is not worried about her best life, she just wants life at this point.

heres how you make that happen.

cut and put in a glass of water.

sit and trim each one down to two or three leaves and cut them down (cut the tips off). i leave them in the water, but you can do it however.

i dont know about store bought cloners and such, but it should not matter

if i use one of those black trays with a dome (i use a thing the rotisserie chicken came in or the salad bar container), i will add some water to the bottom of the tray, then put a couple marbles in and sit the little cubes (i use bathroom paper dixie cups or mini coffee filters and just cut the little point off and use that) on top of that so when roots come out they are not in the water, but just above the water.

all that is just what i do thinking i can help it out. but i have found i can skip it all and stuff the thing in water and it roots.

this is the important thing... LIGHT

if it gets enough light it splits its job between root forming and leaf growing. if it doesnt get enough it will shut down. you want to hit a spot between that. not enough to grow leaves but enough to grow roots.

so a little light, nothing direct. not in a tent or under a light. put it next to where you hang out or a desk or a table. do that for 3 days.

then do whatever you do normally.

i have moved it to a window, or not, doesnt seem to matter. in 4 or 5 days you will have roots.

now you have to "harden" it for the tent or outside.

i have read a lot on clipping the ends off the leaves and i doubted it at first, and might still doubt it, but the one thing it does for me is - i watch till i see new growth, and any not cut is new. when i dont cut them some leaves grow just like you think, little cute things to big ole leaves... but some *poof* just appear about as big as the big leaves and looking like its been there forever.

the lighting is the key

 

[Lacey]

get them under some low powered grow lights... even a fluorescent shop light.... I don't think natural light will cut it and it seems like they're not getting close to 18hours per day...

I will get that set up this morning. Thank You.

biggest thing with cuttings from anything is the lighting. they need light, but just a tad.

your plant is growing, you snip a growing bit off. to be honest, they dont even know it for a little bit.

now, you have this bit that doesnt know enough to die. it has everything it needs to live, and will till it uses that up or finds a way to get more stuff to live. the only thing it needs at this point is ROOTS.
your plant just wants to live. she is not worried about her best life, she just wants life at this point.

heres how you make that happen.

cut and put in a glass of water.

sit and trim each one down to two or three leaves and cut them down (cut the tips off). i leave them in the water, but you can do it however.

i dont know about store bought cloners and such, but it should not matter

if i use one of those black trays with a dome (i use a thing the rotisserie chicken came in or the salad bar container), i will add some water to the bottom of the tray, then put a couple marbles in and sit the little cubes (i use bathroom paper dixie cups or mini coffee filters and just cut the little point off and use that) on top of that so when roots come out they are not in the water, but just above the water.

all that is just what i do thinking i can help it out. but i have found i can skip it all and stuff the thing in water and it roots.

this is the important thing... LIGHT

if it gets enough light it splits its job between root forming and leaf growing. if it doesnt get enough it will shut down. you want to hit a spot between that. not enough to grow leaves but enough to grow roots.

so a little light, nothing direct. not in a tent or under a light. put it next to where you hang out or a desk or a table. do that for 3 days.

then do whatever you do normally.

i have moved it to a window, or not, doesnt seem to matter. in 4 or 5 days you will have roots.

now you have to "harden" it for the tent or outside.

i have read a lot on clipping the ends off the leaves and i doubted it at first, and might still doubt it, but the one thing it does for me is - i watch till i see new growth, and any not cut is new. when i dont cut them some leaves grow just like you think, little cute things to big ole leaves... but some *poof* just appear about as big as the big leaves and looking like its been there forever.

the lighting is the key

Nice dog pic :)
Well, we just cleared out attempt #4 and lost some out of attempt #5. some are doing ok, but it is still a struggle. tomorrow is 7 days and not a single root yet. I apparently can not find the happy medium with the lights. I even put a shade cloth over the light so its not directly on them. I will give them more time and see what happens, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I am about to give up on the cloning and toss the trimmings to the pigs.

 

[Lacey]

Here is what they look like. Any ideas?