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[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Regarding VPD I am a bit confused. I see multiple discussions that tell me general guidelines in early veg at around 26-27C that I should be running humidity of 50 - 60%. Like this for example: https://weedkb.com/autoflower-temp-and-humidity/
But these VPD charts mostly show I should be running much higher humidity of 80%? Am I reading these wrong?

I was confused by this aswell but if u dial in the numbers and let the plant chill it does grow much better at higher humidity like the charts say.Once u get past around 70% humidity viruses,mold,pm and bug life really start multiplying exponentially also,not to mention its harder to maintain. My assumption is yes the plants perform better in higher humidity but a balance must be made between plant performance and insect/pathogen/fungus performance also.I am only guessing cuz I've noticed the same discrepancies as well. I can't deny the power of correct VPD but maybe the numbers are guidelines meant to be tailored to different plant genetics ??? Lmk if u eventually figure it out bro I'm curious too

 

[SlabHardcheese]

I was confused by this aswell but if u dial in the numbers and let the plant chill it does grow much better at higher humidity like the charts say.Once u get past around 70% humidity viruses,mold,pm and bug life really start multiplying exponentially also,not to mention its harder to maintain. My assumption is yes the plants perform better in higher humidity but a balance must be made between plant performance and insect/pathogen/fungus performance also.I am only guessing cuz I've noticed the same discrepancies as well. I can't deny the power of correct VPD but maybe the numbers are guidelines meant to be tailored to different plant genetics ??? Lmk if u eventually figure it out bro I'm curious too

Thanks for your informed reply. Makes sense it is some kind of trade off between an imaginary ideal of interrelated factors, vs the safer health margin guidelines of a bit lower RH/temp. Also, I found a page / vpd chart that possibly is more in line with my expectations. Or maybe I was reading the other charts wrong. Anyway, this seems informative: https://pulsegrow.com/blogs/learn/vpd#calculate-air
Using their text based calculator, 78F degrees would be closer to an ideal of 62% RH, which makes sense to me. I'm still figuring all this out for sure and I'm happy with basic guidelines, but really didn't understand the high humidity some charts seemed to be suggesting.

 

[KieferStufferland]

Regarding VPD I am a bit confused. I see multiple discussions that tell me general guidelines in early veg at around 26-27C that I should be running humidity of 50 - 60%. Like this for example: https://weedkb.com/autoflower-temp-and-humidity/
But these VPD charts mostly show I should be running much higher humidity of 80%? Am I reading these wrong?

The problem with Led is they do not pull boron as fast as calcium. Very sensitive to the medium and vpd because of this. The leaf temp is more static and doesn't receive uv signal.

When the leaves are pointing up, they are pulling B well. That's your vpd meter. There's a direct correlation between "praying" and B uptake.

Use the Cannafused.life calculator to get in range. Develop a standard. Find exactly how far in your canopy to take measurements, stick with it and follow the recommendations on the calc.

The key to hacking Led grows is in the fact that you get an optimal vpd spectrum throughout the entire plant. Flat canopies are out. Lollipopping and all that is out. Vertical strips are in. 6 foot plants with grenades all the way down.

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

The problem with Led is they do not pull boron as fast as calcium. Very sensitive to the medium and vpd because of this. The leaf temp is more static and doesn't receive uv signal.

When the leaves are pointing up, they are pulling B well. That's your vpd meter. There's a direct correlation between "praying" and B uptake.

Use the Cannafused.life calculator to get in range. Develop a standard. Find exactly how far in your canopy to take measurements, stick with it and follow the recommendations on the calc.

The key to hacking Led grows is in the fact that you get an optimal vpd spectrum throughout the entire plant. Flat canopies are out. Lollipopping and all that is out. Vertical strips are in. 6 foot plants with grenades all the way down.

Absolutely I agree,I am currently testing flat scrogg vs topping and letting them grow(12 BB#3 clones) with side lighting, I first noticed the differences awhile back. I could see that letting the plants grow while providing light to the entire plant, consistently yielded more buds with less canopy maintenance. I will make my final decision after I finish this run. Great comment myfriend, right on the money,the scrogg is on the way out for sure....

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

OK I completely forgot to update guys,but last plant Was best bud I've smoked in a long long time yielded about 2.5oz I pulled at week 7.5 because as I said before, I had to move. New flower room,new veg room, much smaller. Currently on day 14 flowering 5 of previously mentioned Bruce banner #3 clonesand vegging 6 others to be much larger. I'm sorry I missed the harvest but I'll post pics later today of current run and next run.

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

First video are 5 bb#3 day 14 flower just shwazzed them. New setup n n equipment, these are the same clones this thread is originally about. Veg vid next they much bigger.

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

These ladies got pretty big, I may have to flower these 6 3 at a time, they will be too big. This flower run still has 6 0r 7 weeks left
!! If I flower them in 3s the last 3 will have 4 months of veg time before they hit the flower room. Im comparing yeilds with horizontal and an 45 degree angle branch positioning during flower. Off the bat i notice I can get more bud sites under 1 light, but will the be as big as a horizontal technique? Idk but I will compare. Im thinking 45 is the best way to go!!??

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Lmk Wat yall think [:^)

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Hello All,
I have a client in commercial Colorado with the same issue. Turns out Bruce Banner requires a high amount of calcium/magnesium/Nitrogen in the veg stage. The fix was about twice as much (5ml of calmag per gallon instead of 2.5) and above average (a little less than double) nitrogen added. After about 2 days, they were all back to healthy plants. In researching this issue, 90% of people look at it and say it’s an over water issue. Which it looks very similar. It is just a sensitive strain that requires some extra TLC. I have seen on other forums where it happens in flower as well but does not require as much as double to fix it. Client was still in veg stage. Hope this helps!

YES THIS!!!! That is 100% what I have experienced as well at the exact same ratio 2 to 1 for my BB3's. I'm wondering if this could have played a part with the issues I had at beginning of thread as well as the other issues? My experience has been that bb3 needs double cal/mag and if it doesn't get enough yellowish orange necrosis,leaf tip clawing and brown spotting at leaf edges. This do fit SOME of the previous issues but other factors were involved. This is a great comment 100% on point with my experience.

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

I also have revenged 1 of the last harvest, the plant has begun to produce new growth from new sites as well as from the unharvested smaller nugs I left on the plant. I'm begining to see white leaf tips? I believe this could be from root rot but I'm not sure can anyone shed some knowledge and experience plz ?

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Day 21 flower bb#3 clones in 5 gal grow bags, look at all the bud sites i can fit under one light with 45°angle !! Lmk wat yall think ?

 

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[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Ok so this is week 4 day 1 of flower. The ladies seem to be stacking ok some are already connecting and the frost is in-fking-sane!! By far the frostiest I've ever grown fr. They are healthy dark and vigorous, aside from what appears to be a need for more cal-mag. Im feeding at 700 to750 ppm and hitting the calmag hard AF but she is still starting to fade. I'm not sure if I should keep pushing the dose up,I don't want to cause more issues,especially if its just genetics or senescence. Other than that they are doing wonderful and smelling strong!!! The smell is very pungent and has a earthy diesel and milky, almost dairy like aroma with strong hints of sweet berries that combine to create the most unique cannabis flower smell I've ever had the luck to waft my nose. I've read that bb#3 has tested between 28% and 35% THC content. Its literally in the Top 5 strongest strains tested,its literally legendary !!! I plan on planting 5 seeds and doing some pheno hunting. I've got the feeling that hidden in my stash is a quality phenotype that will be absolutely shit ass amazing!!! A true keeper!!!All my bb#3's are feminized which is a new thing and it cost a lot for these seeds and msnl seeds has a good rep and good genetics from what I've been able to find lmk wat y'all think.

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Hey everyone....well those few watching lol its officially the end of week 4!! Starting week 5 tomorrow. The bb3's are looking good swelling nicely and the smell is beautiful!!! Diesel and dairy with hints of strawberry......the are begining to ripen and the colors are are starting to fade to what looks like geourgeous purple streaks that will accent these buds if I flush properly. Bb3's fall colors will be amazing. Ive heard the bb3's with the purple cut are the original pheno used. Idk tho. I would really appreciate some feed back, tips or advice.

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

All these plants from flower to veg are the original clones from the start of this thread. These are my much bigger bb3 clones plus a new wave of revegged clones taken from mother at week 3 flower. I want to see if week 3 F clones are as dense and heavy yielding as ive heard. The reveg clones are a bit slow moving but only due to the reveg process, very high feed rate, they eat like they still on the plant lol any tips on revegging clones let hit with them i really like to learn a biy more

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Just checked my calender, the big clones I have are only 4 months not 6 months old like previously mentioned!! Idk where I got that number lol this run is done with the flower room in 2 weeks!! I'm gonna flower 3 of the big clones and 2 late flower reveg clones from this newest wave of clones next. That leaves the other 3 big clones to veg another 2 months and adds 2 more months to the veg time of the smallest clones. All together thats 3 flower cycles already rooted and growing. That's not including the 4 new seeds I popped,they broke ground 38 hrs after shell split an planted. Not sure how I will organize my pheno hunt just yet,I'm gonna have to lose a few of my other plants in my green room but I can just relocate them. I'll post pics of my clone tank (I stashed the starts in there) when I get home

 

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[AngeRBizcuTT480]

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3 days old or 4 not sure

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Week 6!!! they look great smell unreal and are swelling nicely. Senescence has started and trichs have gone from clear to milky,pistils are 15 to 20% brown, plus the flush has started. Im looking forward to her colors

 

[AngeRBizcuTT480]

Last video is the veg room with some clones doing there thing getting big