First time grower, have some questions

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Interesting! This is the camera I've been eyeing.


I like that all I have to do is plug it into a power source and link it up to my phone. That I can rotate the camera around the tent is another plus.

I'm going to mount an extension cord head to one of the corner bars so that I can have a secure mounting for the camera.
Oh nice. If you get that one, let us know what you think. I went with what I knew I could do to get the results I wanted (basically a way to monitor the tent from my desk on my 2nd monitor), but I’ll look into that as it has night vision and would reduce 1 cable in the tent if I could achieve similar results
 
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Oh nice. If you get that one, let us know what you think. I went with what I knew I could do to get the results I wanted (basically a way to monitor the tent from my desk on my 2nd monitor), but I’ll look into that as it has night vision and would reduce 1 cable in the tent if I could achieve similar results
Hey welcome to the farm, I scrolled through your pics and I didn't see 1 photo of wet soil. You look like you're watering the plant and not the soil. Roots don't grow into dry soil and you've no idea where the roots are so you need to water the soil to saturated then let dry then water or feed until saturated let dry....and so on...I didn't read all of the posts so if that's been covered just ignore me........i get a lot of that....lol
 
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Hey welcome to the farm, I scrolled through your pics and I didn't see 1 photo of wet soil. You look like you're watering the plant and not the soil. Roots don't grow into dry soil and you've no idea where the roots are so you need to water the soil to saturated then let dry then water or feed until saturated let dry....and so on...I didn't read all of the posts so if that's been covered just ignore me........i get a lot of that....lol
I promise I’m watering around the edges and not directly on the plant/plant stalk.

The top soil always looks dry in most spots, but directly under it is moist. It “fluffs” up whenever I water, even when there’s runoff.

Do any of the plants look under watered to you?
 
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When the Veg cycle starts is a debatable topic. I consider Day 1 of the seedling stage the first day I put the germinated seeds in the soil. The seedling stage is 14 days and Day 1 of the Veg cycle is the 15th day in the soil. Clones skip the seedling stage. That's what I do.

For the Autoflowers to achieve their full potential I would think it might be better to just wait a bit before putting them in the tent. Harvest your photoperiod plants and then start the autos, they finish quick.
 
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What soil are you using? How often are you watering?
It’s a premade potting soil mix similar to fox farms, miracle grow, etc., from what I’ve read (in terms of contents). It’s a local brand from a local nursery in town.

The last 2 weeks I’ve been watering every 2-3 days, based on sticking my finger in the soil and weight of the pot.
 
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I promise I’m watering around the edges and not directly on the plant/plant stalk.

The top soil always looks dry in most spots, but directly under it is moist. It “fluffs” up whenever I water, even when there’s runoff.

Do any of the plants look under watered to you?
No they don't,, they look pretty good but you're setting yourself up for problems if you don't saturate and let dry in between. it'll only fluff up the first time or two then it should be compressed enough not to do that. I get perlite floaters but the soil stays in tact after the first flood watering. I'll.....Like I said though roots don't grow into dry soil and if you're just watering the plant the roots don't have any soil they will grow into..
 
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No they don't,, they look pretty good but you're setting yourself up for problems if you don't saturate and let dry in between. it'll only fluff up the first time or two then it should be compressed enough not to do that. I get perlite floaters but the soil stays in tact after the first flood watering. I'll.....Like I said though roots don't grow into dry soil and if you're just watering the plant the roots don't have any soil they will grow into..
So what would you recommend I do/change? Next feeding water more even after it starts draining from the bottom? Maybe spray the top soil with a water bottle?

I have some perlite I can add. Should it just be added to the top, or should I mix it in a little on top? Also how much should be added?
 
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Soil sounds good, do you know how much food is in it? Did the bags tell you how long you can go before feeding? Any mycorrhiza in there?

Keep it simple with watering soil. Saturate the medium when you water and then let them dry back until they need water, usually the top of the soil being dry is a good indicator to go off of and picking up the bags is good as well. If they're light, they need water. Water and light drive growth more than anything else. If you can dial in your environment, supply enough light, and dial in your watering practices, you'll be able to harvest some high quality flower.

Water slowly, dry soil does not accept water very well. Once it gets wet, then you can start watering heavier.
 
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Soil sounds good, do you know how much food is in it? Did the bags tell you how long you can go before feeding? Any mycorrhiza in there?

Keep it simple with watering soil. Saturate the medium when you water and then let them dry back until they need water, usually the top of the soil being dry is a good indicator to go off of and picking up the bags is good as well. If they're light, they need water. Water and light drive growth more than anything else. If you can dial in your environment, supply enough light, and dial in your watering practices, you'll be able to harvest some high quality flower.

Water slowly, dry soil does not accept water very well. Once it gets wet, then you can start watering heavier.
30 days if I remember right before it was recommended to either add more or add nutrients.

2 feedings ago I used fox farms big bloom and grow big at 1/3rd the recommended amount. I plan on doing the same dosage, maybe 2/3rds this time.

I’ll definitely water slower than I have been. That could be an issue (not that I just dump it in, but I could go slower than I currently do).

My ph test kit arrived this morning, so I tested my tap water and it’s a bit high, so I’ll definitely adjust for the 6.5 range on next feeding.
 
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So you're into the third week of Veg by what I like to go by and only two weeks into their new bags with fresh soil. I think it's smart to buildup the beneficial microbes and mycorrhizae while you have the food in the soil. Microbe Brew, Kangaroots, Kelp Me Kelp You are all great products from them that I have found to work very well. Big Bloom is a good product too, just a bit expensive per app. Orca is a great product to introduce beneficial bacteria and endomycorrhizae. The relationship between mycorrhizae and the root system is too valuable not to boost it as best you can.

I think it would be smart to drench the soil with a pH 6.0-6.5 pH solution with some beneficial microbes. Let the roots reach to all that water. Once they drink enough to the point the top of the soil is dry (should be 4-5 days) do the same thing again, let it dry back, then feed them the general feeding strength of Grow Big and keep using the Big Bloom and beneficial microbes. Make sure you test any solution after you mix the nutrients in and then adjust the pH. Most of these nutrients will adjust the pH. For 5 gal bags you should get to the point where every 3 days they'll need water/nutes and that's how you'll know if you're giving them too much or not enough IMO.

A good article to read. There's a lot of information out there about the benefits of mycorrhizae and the symbiotic relationship with the roots of plants. The better you can develop their root systems, the better they will grow.
 
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So you're into the third week of Veg by what I like to go by and only two weeks into their new bags with fresh soil. I think it's smart to buildup the beneficial microbes and mycorrhizae while you have the food in the soil. Microbe Brew, Kangaroots, Kelp Me Kelp You are all great products from them that I have found to work very well. Big Bloom is a good product too, just a bit expensive per app. Orca is a great product to introduce beneficial bacteria and endomycorrhizae. The relationship between mycorrhizae and the root system is too valuable not to boost it as best you can.

I think it would be smart to drench the soil with a pH 6.0-6.5 pH solution with some beneficial microbes. Let the roots reach to all that water. Once they drink enough to the point the top of the soil is dry (should be 4-5 days) do the same thing again, let it dry back, then feed them the general feeding strength of Grow Big and keep using the Big Bloom and beneficial microbes. Make sure you test any solution after you mix the nutrients in and then adjust the pH. Most of these nutrients will adjust the pH. For 5 gal bags you should get to the point where every 3 days they'll need water/nutes and that's how you'll know if you're giving them too much or not enough IMO.

A good article to read. There's a lot of information out there about the benefits of mycorrhizae and the symbiotic relationship with the roots of plants. The better you can develop their root systems, the better they will grow.

I'm assuming using Orca is the best option since it's liquid, and not the powder/dry mix since the plant is already potted, right? A smidge pricey, but it doesn't look like you actually use a whole lot, so a bottle should last a pretty long time it seems. Do you add the Orca just once, or every feeding?
 
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Progress pic of the day:
10 11 2022

All of the plants increased their height by 1/2" at minimum, so they're all over 8" tall now, and the top left plant is now over 9" (about 1.25" growth from yesterday).

The top right plant that was topped too short is really bushing out, and the stalks are getting much thicker than the others. Besides that, though, everything seems to be going well.

The smell is amazing in there.
 
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Orca is pretty cheap per app, 1 mL/4 L, you can go up to 3 mL/4 L once the plants get bigger. You can use that every feeding if you want to. Mykos WP is another great option to introduce mycorrhizae into the soil. The label for that one says to use it weekly. Kangaroots and Microbe Brew from Fox Farm are more expensive per app, but they are part of that nutrient line so that honestly might be all you need. No reason to be throwing the kitchen sink at them. There's multiple options available out there. Up to you what you want to go with. In the past I've used everything mentioned except the Mykos WP. I used Mykos granular when I transplanted this current grow. I will be buying more of that once I run out, very impressed with that product and it's inexpensive per app.
 
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Orca is pretty cheap per app, 1 mL/4 L, you can go up to 3 mL/4 L once the plants get bigger. You can use that every feeding if you want to. Mykos WP is another great option to introduce mycorrhizae into the soil. The label for that one says to use it weekly. Kangaroots and Microbe Brew from Fox Farm are more expensive per app, but they are part of that nutrient line so that honestly might be all you need. No reason to be throwing the kitchen sink at them. There's multiple options available out there. Up to you what you want to go with. In the past I've used everything mentioned except the Mykos WP. I used Mykos granular when I transplanted this current grow. I will be buying more of that once I run out, very impressed with that product and it's inexpensive per app.
I’ll give orca a shot to give the plants each feeding along with the schedule of the fox farm nutrients, since it is liquid and will hit the roots easier I think.

Thanks for the info!
 
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When I'm setting up the media for the girls I use Roots Organic Original soil. It has Mycorrhizae in it but I usually mix in a few scoopfuls of Xtreme Gardening MYKOS before I transplant at the bottom of the hole so that the beneficial bacteria is at root level.

The only bloom booster I use is Bud Candy. Other than that it's GH Florinova Grow or Bloom, some Hormex and some Silicate.

Yeah, it seems like the best time to add it is when you have exposure to the roots when transplanting, but since I'm beyond that stage, I think the Orca would be the better option, right?

As for this mornings update/progress/situation:

The soil is fairly dry now, and the pots are pretty light. My intent was to feed tomorrow, but seems like that's going to be happening early this afternoon. The Orca won't arrive until tomorrow (likely in the afternoon), so I don't think I'm able to wait that long to feed, but I'll apply it on the next feeding. I'll be using 1/2 to 2/3rds of the nutrient dosage as this is my 2nd time feeding with nutrients, and I don't want to risk over feeding nutrients due to it being potting soil, as well as ph balancing down to 6.5 range.

I'll be watering slower than previously as recommended until run off while circling the perimeter of the pots.

On another note - since I look at these lovely plants daily (and multiple times), I typically don't notice a whole lot of growth and sometimes think "why are these things growing to slowly". Then I look back at the pictures and dates of pictures and it really surprises me on how much they actually grew. The waiting game totally sucks, though :P
 
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Mykos is definitely the better product to go with, but it does need to be applied directly to the roots during transplant which is why I suggested Orca or Mykos WP. DynoMyco is another great product. (I have yet to try it, but 900 propagules/g of mycorrhizae innoculant is 3 times as much as Mykos and Mykos works extremely well). Go very slow when you water, get that medium good and wet. Let the roots reach to the water, drink it up, and then drench them again. It's best to water heavy and infrequent with soil. The plants do grow slow for a while and then they will start getting to a point where it's noticeable growth everyday. The root system needs to expand first. The bigger and healthier the root system, the bigger and healthier the plants will grow.
 
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Just got done watering. I watered slowly - some of the soil still puffed up, but once it settled and I gave it some time, it started getting damp, so I continued watering and all looks well.

I used 50% nutrients, and between the 4 pots, they took a little under a gallon each. I could probably add in more, but I don’t want to risk over watering. Some spots along the edges are dry, but trying to get the edges in fabric pots seems to get more on the floor.

I’ll post pics later on tonight
 
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Dude dim your lights and they will grow. They all showing light stress especially the one center right.
Cut back to like 20% and give it a week. Guarantee you see vast improvement in growth and vigor.

Keep at it you got this!
 
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