HLG Blackbird vs. 7EastGenetics Purple Dragons Balls, The Kraken, and Alien BX1

[PerfecTrader]

I hope they help get it sorted out. I don't know much about RO systems. Idk what that Cond variable is. Conditioned?

"cond" is the EC(electrical Conductivity)

 

[ninjadip]

What does your RO water ph at?

I never pH RO it's a pain ad the second u add anything it essentially takes that pH. Also how often you calibrate depends on your meter and how much you take care of it. I have a hanna that gets recalibrated every other day i use it otherwise it goes off by .1 or so

www.thcfarmer.com

I think this guy explains it, while you can ph test your RO water, there is no point. It's a blank slate. It's going to take whatever pH is mixed with it, whether it nutes or simply ph up/down

 

[PerfecTrader]

What does your RO water ph at?

I never pH RO it's a pain ad the second u add anything it essentially takes that pH. Also how often you calibrate depends on your meter and how much you take care of it. I have a hanna that gets recalibrated every other day i use it otherwise it goes off by .1 or so

www.thcfarmer.com

I think this guy explains it, while you can ph test your RO water, there is no point. It's a blank slate. It's going to take whatever pH is mixed with it, whether it nutes or simply ph up/down

yup just found some golden gems here

RO water
Why can’t our pH probes read accurately in it? What can you add into RO water to increase the EC so that our probes will work in it? RO (reverse osmosis) water is an excellent type of water to use to irrigate your crops with or as a base to dissolve your nutrient mixes in. This method uses a semi-permeable membrane to remove ions, molecules and larger particles from water that could disrupt carefully calculated nutrient ratios and/or negatively impact the health of your crops. For example, bore/well water can often contain heavy metal elements that have leached into the water from the surrounding ground and can stress plants and cause toxicity. Deionisation and distillation processes will also remove ionic compounds from solution and will also prevent the measurement of an EC value. Note that reverse osmosis will not remove microorganisms present.
Challenges measuring RO water:
As RO water only contains pure water (H2O) it is a very poor conductor of electricity (negligible). Measuring the EC is measuring the electrical conductivity of a solution and as the ionic compounds that are able to conduct electricity have been removed we would expect the EC value to be zero. As reverse osmosis removes all ionic and solid components present there should only be water present. The water molecules are made up of equal ratios of Hydrogen (H+) and Hydroxide (OH-) ions and so the pH should be neutral (7). However, as these ions are bound up in a water molecule (H2O) they cannot interact with the pH probe so you will not obtain a reading. High sensitivity probes can be used, but are a lot more expensive as they use a different technology, but these are not necessary for agricultural measurements. It is popular to add a small amount of Calcium Magnesium (calmag) to RO water to be able to obtain a pH reading as our probes can measure pH once there are some ions present (Cl- and Mg2+). However, the addition of calmag doesn’t change the pH of the solution at all as it doesn’t contain Hydrogen or hydroxide ions which are the only ions that can change the pH. Even though you may now receive a reading, it has not changed from before you added the calmag, so what’s the point? The quantity added of calmag added should be so small that it will not negatively impact the plants as in natural conditions seedlings would have a variety of nutrient ions present in their root zone and grow successfully. The only thing that could mean your pH is not 7 is if a small quantity of CO2 gas is naturally present from the atmosphere or has passed through the semi-permeable membrane. As there are no ions present in RO water the water is not able to chemically stabilise its pH and so a small quantity of CO2 will create the acidic carbonic acid and lower the pH value significantly as the effects of the acid are not stabilized at all.

 

[ninjadip]

That's what I was trying to say, you most likely need a prefilter on that RO, because of how bad your source is. And about the pH. I hope that makes sense, I know it sounds crazy at first

 

[ninjadip]

yup just found some golden gems here

RO water
Why can’t our pH probes read accurately in it? What can you add into RO water to increase the EC so that our probes will work in it? RO (reverse osmosis) water is an excellent type of water to use to irrigate your crops with or as a base to dissolve your nutrient mixes in. This method uses a semi-permeable membrane to remove ions, molecules and larger particles from water that could disrupt carefully calculated nutrient ratios and/or negatively impact the health of your crops. For example, bore/well water can often contain heavy metal elements that have leached into the water from the surrounding ground and can stress plants and cause toxicity. Deionisation and distillation processes will also remove ionic compounds from solution and will also prevent the measurement of an EC value. Note that reverse osmosis will not remove microorganisms present.
Challenges measuring RO water:
As RO water only contains pure water (H2O) it is a very poor conductor of electricity (negligible). Measuring the EC is measuring the electrical conductivity of a solution and as the ionic compounds that are able to conduct electricity have been removed we would expect the EC value to be zero. As reverse osmosis removes all ionic and solid components present there should only be water present. The water molecules are made up of equal ratios of Hydrogen (H+) and Hydroxide (OH-) ions and so the pH should be neutral (7). However, as these ions are bound up in a water molecule (H2O) they cannot interact with the pH probe so you will not obtain a reading. High sensitivity probes can be used, but are a lot more expensive as they use a different technology, but these are not necessary for agricultural measurements. It is popular to add a small amount of Calcium Magnesium (calmag) to RO water to be able to obtain a pH reading as our probes can measure pH once there are some ions present (Cl- and Mg2+). However, the addition of calmag doesn’t change the pH of the solution at all as it doesn’t contain Hydrogen or hydroxide ions which are the only ions that can change the pH. Even though you may now receive a reading, it has not changed from before you added the calmag, so what’s the point? The quantity added of calmag added should be so small that it will not negatively impact the plants as in natural conditions seedlings would have a variety of nutrient ions present in their root zone and grow successfully. The only thing that could mean your pH is not 7 is if a small quantity of CO2 gas is naturally present from the atmosphere or has passed through the semi-permeable membrane. As there are no ions present in RO water the water is not able to chemically stabilise its pH and so a small quantity of CO2 will create the acidic carbonic acid and lower the pH value significantly as the effects of the acid are not stabilized at all.

Yes now you got it. Glad I could help, or I think I did lol. I hope

 

[PerfecTrader]

That's what I was trying to say, you most likely need a prefilter on that RO, because of how bad your source is. And about the pH. I hope that makes sense, I know it sounds crazy at first

the most important thing I learned is why I have had an issue PHing the RO water, because you can't. You don't know how big that is. That issue is what has caused me to forgoe PHing cause it was always BS and pissing me off. Actually returned a PC60 pen over it. Now I can FINNNNALLY see why shit has been cray. Easy fix, add 5ml/gal of cal-mag to the RO and then adjust PH. I did however read enough things to convince me using some Tap water may be of benefit. I am going to start using 5050 and go from there. Actually pretty stoked about this

 

[ninjadip]

the most important thing I learned is why I have had an issue PHing the RO water, because you can't. You don't know how big that is. That issue is what has caused me to forgoe PHing cause it was always BS and pissing me off. Actually returned a PC60 pen over it. Now I can FINNNNALLY see why shit has been cray. Easy fix, add 5ml/gal of cal-mag to the RO and then adjust PH. I did however read enough things to convince me using some Tap water may be of benefit. I am going to start using 5050 and go from there. Actually pretty stoked about this

Eff yeah. Glad I could get you back to being excited to grow meow!!!

We're all one big fam in here bro

 

[Zombierider]

hey man I'm pretty sure I don't like the attitude I may have appeared to have had with ya and I apologize. If I came off a bit persnickety I didn't mean it. I think all I've spent and all the shit I have been doing wrong piled up and got to me for a min. Those pens are dope af and I appreciate you takin the time to point them out. The soil tester I bought was a junk 3 in 1 vivsun ph, moisture, and ec meter or some shit but I had only bought it for the moisture part. The more I am reading this reddit thread the more I am thinking this and my last grow were completely EC related to RO stripping my soil. Makes perfect sense and some times I did add a bit of Tap water but I was not taking the RO part or the PH part seriously. I honestly was pullin the rookie move of them all and hopin that the soil would help me out and buffer things a wee bit. CG was very clear not to be a jackass and think I could not PH but that is what I did for 2 grows now and I'm done with it. Makin better moves now and things should be better. Have the right tubing comin this week so can set up the blumats. Not sure how I am going to combat my water just yet but the more I am reading the more I am thinkin I would be better off using tap water that I let sit out for 24hr+

Bro dont even think another second about it, I know how frustrating growing can be cuz we spend SO much time and money on them for them just to screw with us and not grow like we want. So no worries, just hope you can get that soil dialed in. In a way, messing up now is good because your forcing yourself to learn shit that you could have messed up on in future grows. Now you know about the RO water thing, and how to dial in your PH. Believe me bro I fuck up, I fuck up alot, i just dont post about it haha. I do the whole " I got this down" then something happens and I realize Im still a noob. THen I spend 7 hours researching online until I find an answer cuz failure IS NOT AN OPTION. The best growers in the world fuck up, its just that they dont quit, they realize why they fked up, fix it, and try not to do it again. I have a feeling your gonna become one of those champion growers cuz your CARE about the plant.
But yeah bro, I hear those bluemats are a good setup, lots of people swear by them cuz they work. And as for RO, I used to use RO for my first grow and then I realized the same thing you are now: RO water is devoid of nutrients and will basically flush your medium. My tap water is good enough, but I still add extra cal-mag cuz it seems ya can never get enough calmag haha.

 

[Zombierider]

Why would you get RO water after what I've just been through? Hah not me I'm usin tap

I use RO water only for my humidifier cuz the metals in tap water will eventually dry up and leave a film of white calmag over everything haha.

 

[PerfecTrader]

Bro dont even think another second about it, I know how frustrating growing can be cuz we spend SO much time and money on them for them just to screw with us and not grow like we want. So no worries, just hope you can get that soil dialed in. In a way, messing up now is good because your forcing yourself to learn shit that you could have messed up on in future grows. Now you know about the RO water thing, and how to dial in your PH. Believe me bro I fuck up, I fuck up alot, i just dont post about it haha. I do the whole " I got this down" then something happens and I realize Im still a noob. THen I spend 7 hours researching online until I find an answer cuz failure IS NOT AN OPTION. The best growers in the world fuck up, its just that they dont quit, they realize why they fked up, fix it, and try not to do it again. I have a feeling your gonna become one of those champion growers cuz your CARE about the plant.
But yeah bro, I hear those bluemats are a good setup, lots of people swear by them cuz they work. And as for RO, I used to use RO for my first grow and then I realized the same thing you are now: RO water is devoid of nutrients and will basically flush your medium. My tap water is good enough, but I still add extra cal-mag cuz it seems ya can never get enough calmag haha.

Smokin a blunt of my homegrown Mimosa x Orange Punch, reading your reply, day trading for big $$ while, while listening to below, on an early Friday mornin in the desert ya mon the Farm and some of the people in it, hell yeah
I feel so much better than I have recently. Light bulbs went off like fireworks yesterday and last night. Feel into this reddit rabbit hole -> HERE and with help from you, Ninja and the Farm, I went from head in the sand like a little bitch who didn't want to grow no more to thinkin I'ma smash all yalls grows meow ok maybe not that far but I for sure feel like I may be able to put a stop to growing so "out of control". Been chasing proper PH of my RO water for 6 months for fks sake. I even returned one Apera PC60 and have no joke like 3 or 4 other PH meters although they are junky ones and all this time I did not know what I figured out last night and that is that without adding something like calmag to the RO water I would not be able to get a proper reading. I can look back and find tons of times I was bitching about my PH struggles to the point they actually caused me to choose to go the living soil route. I thought I would not need to be so concerned with the chemistry side that I just couldn't get right or figure out. Whelp it was all the fkin RO water man. My COND/EC of my RO was like 25-50 which is basically none. I was feeding nutes and RO and then RO, repeat for the whole last grow and the 1st grow was in 5050 coco perl using RO and Advanced Nutes no frikkin wonder what was happening. No I am finally ready in my head. I shall unleash the next level

 

[PerfecTrader]

I use RO water only for my humidifier cuz the metals in tap water will eventually dry up and leave a film of white calmag over everything haha.

yup, from now on the RO water in my house will be used for my dehus and only to mellow out the tds of my tap after it has sat out 24hr. I think I am going to use 5050 RO and tap and see how they respond but yeah this is what you get when you try to skate on the RO out here. Just like you said, hard water leads to build up that is visible. Hence this filter that should be black but is only months old with minimal use

 

[Zombierider]

Smokin a blunt of my homegrown Mimosa x Orange Punch, reading your reply, day trading for big $$ while, while listening to below, on an early Friday mornin in the desert ya mon the Farm and some of the people in it, hell yeah
I feel so much better than I have recently. Light bulbs went off like fireworks yesterday and last night. Feel into this reddit rabbit hole -> HERE and with help from you, Ninja and the Farm, I went from head in the sand like a little bitch who didn't want to grow no more to thinkin I'ma smash all yalls grows meow ok maybe not that far but I for sure feel like I may be able to put a stop to growing so "out of control". Been chasing proper PH of my RO water for 6 months for fks sake. I even returned one Apera PC60 and have no joke like 3 or 4 other PH meters although they are junky ones and all this time I did not know what I figured out last night and that is that without adding something like calmag to the RO water I would not be able to get a proper reading. I can look back and find tons of times I was bitching about my PH struggles to the point they actually caused me to choose to go the living soil route. I thought I would not need to be so concerned with the chemistry side that I just couldn't get right or figure out. Whelp it was all the fkin RO water man. My COND/EC of my RO was like 25-50 which is basically none. I was feeding nutes and RO and then RO, repeat for the whole last grow and the 1st grow was in 5050 coco perl using RO and Advanced Nutes no frikkin wonder what was happening. No I am finally ready in my head. I shall unleash the next level

yup, from now on the RO water in my house will be used for my dehus and only to mellow out the tds of my tap after it has sat out 24hr. I think I am going to use 5050 RO and tap and see how they respond but yeah this is what you get when you try to skate on the RO out here. Just like you said, hard water leads to build up that is visible. Hence this filter that should be black but is only months old with minimal use

Yeah dude i like to dive headfirst in the nerdy boring shit first and get it over with, like ph ec vpd etc, cuz it pays off in the end! Theres a good old proverb i heard recently which says " The best fertilizer is the footsteps of the gardener", and its so fricken true. The more you touch, see and feel your plants, the quicker youll notice and fix any issues. Glad you got the switch in your brain turned to the badass-mega-cannabis-grower setting, from now on that garden is gonna make Godzilla shit its knickers! Haha. And yupp thats fricken calcium deposuts on your fan, at least it didnt cover all your bud!

 

[Neueregel]

yup, from now on the RO water in my house will be used for my dehus and only to mellow out the tds of my tap after it has sat out 24hr. I think I am going to use 5050 RO and tap and see how they respond but yeah this is what you get when you try to skate on the RO out here. Just like you said, hard water leads to build up that is visible. Hence this filter that should be black but is only months old with minimal use

wow that's crazy how it built up on your exhaust fan. I use a water softener, i also have a RO setup but i haven't used it for watering my plants. the tea brew says to use RO water.

 

[PerfecTrader]

3 weeks of Flower in the books for the Purple Dragon Balls, 2 for the Mimosa clone. New growth seems healthy and gettin some popcorn nugs and the beginnings of some trich frost on the PDBs. Have a few more pieces of blumat connectors coming this week and should have both tents set up within the week. Really likin the gravity fed drip system so far. Thanks much to all those that helped me finally make that move

 

[Nesta028]

Wow… im way behind on your thread. Those look amazing @PerfecTrader! Nicely done!

 

[ninjadip]

3 weeks of Flower in the books for the Purple Dragon Balls, 2 for the Mimosa clone. New growth seems healthy and gettin some popcorn nugs and the beginnings of some trich frost on the PDBs. Have a few more pieces of blumat connectors coming this week and should have both tents set up within the week. Really likin the gravity fed drip system so far. Thanks much to all those that helped me finally make that move

looks good man

 

[Zombierider]

3 weeks of Flower in the books for the Purple Dragon Balls, 2 for the Mimosa clone. New growth seems healthy and gettin some popcorn nugs and the beginnings of some trich frost on the PDBs. Have a few more pieces of blumat connectors coming this week and should have both tents set up within the week. Really likin the gravity fed drip system so far. Thanks much to all those that helped me finally make that move

Yeeaaa budday! Light weight babbayy!

 

[PerfecTrader]

Wow… im way behind on your thread. Those look amazing @PerfecTrader! Nicely done!

Thanks much brotha Nesta, means a lot. Got a long way to go until I figure it all out but so far ao good with these PDBs. Felt I was havin an issue late veg and early flower but new growth says I nipped it in the butt. Stoked to see how these continue to flower. I think once I get the blumats goin to these I will turn a corner. Just saw your new thread. Clean af yo and great way to kick it off. I'm in fosho

 

[PerfecTrader]

looks good man

thanks bud. Wish they hadn't been regs so I could have vegged longer and scrogged. Oh well "“There was once a dream that was Rome, you could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish.” Marcus Aurelius" Gladiator

 

[PerfecTrader]

Yeeaaa budday! Light weight babbayy!

dudes tossing 140+ dumbells around hah love that guy. Here is another monster that garners some serious respect