First swing at a real grow

[BB22]

If you dont have an educated opinion on what it could potentially be deficent in then I'd like someone else's input, thanks though.

If you poke around that man’s threads you will find that he is extremely knowledgeable

 

[thebranchman]

Im still not convinced, just the smell of opening the tent right when the lights go on is enough proof for me that they have been regenerating terpenes during the night period. Ill wait until more conclusives results come out, for now Ill stick with what seemed to work best for me and of course you should do what you think works best for you too! Im not claiming Im right.

Regenerating terpenes is an interesting idea that's definitely got potential if the leaf and flower temp got above like 85f I'd think. It makes sense

 

[Eledin]

That looks waayyy more discolored than the one leaf that I've got so far.. did it start to show up kindof spotty? Also if you remember what the growing medium, nutrients, and kind of lights you were using about? I'm doing recirculating hydro.

Yes it was progressive, I dont have any older pic of that plant to show you but it looked similar to yours. Thats all I know about purples and blues in the leaves anyway, its either because of the strain, light or both. Maybe someone else has more insight as it could be something else that I dont know.

 

[thebranchman]

If you poke around that man’s threads you will find that he is extremely knowledgeable

Im sure he is but the reply he gave me was kindof nothing, I already had asked about what it could be deficient in I don't need it pointed out to me again after I've asked why it's like that

 

[thebranchman]

Yes it was progressive, I dont have any older pic of that plant to show you but it looked similar to yours. Thats all I know about purples and blues in the leaves anyway, its either because of the strain, light or both. Maybe someone else has more insight as it could be something else that I dont know.

Was that in a soil grow or hydro? I'd be interested to know that too because soil may have contributed if it's a deficiency due to light, specifically the new style of leds that has little to no research because they're so new... if it was soil and led that's a bunch of variables that could change uptake. That's why I've been liking this hydro thing if I can identify stuff I can fix it quickly.

 

[Eledin]

Regenerating terpenes is an interesting idea that's definitely got potential if the leaf and flower temp got above like 85f I'd think. It makes sense

Even if you keep those at 24h I would recommend a dark period before harvest. Some people go as far as 3 days if the humidity is not very high, some people just do it right before the lights go on after their dark period. After a few hours in the dark I can already notice the smell getting stronger, so a few hours also do something.

 

[Eledin]

Was that in a soil grow or hydro? I'd be interested to know that too because soil may have contributed if it's a deficiency due to light, specifically the new style of leds that has little to no research because they're so new... if it was soil and led that's a bunch of variables that could change uptake. That's why I've been liking this hydro thing if I can identify stuff I can fix it quickly.

Sorry I left that part out, it was 50% peat 50% coco grown under one led growing buld 75W (4000k) and and flowering growing bulb 75W (pink 2100k). I didnt have enough money so I used one of both, for me white is very much needed as only blue and red lack the green spectrum that has been proven to be beneficial for plants, its also the spectrum that penetrates better to the lower part of the plant. And no, plants dont reflect all green light, only 5 to 10% of it, but since its more than the other colors they look green. Green lights for dark periods work because they have very little lumens even tho I wouldnt use one. The smoke from that one was equally good to the other one, except for the main top bud which was way too close to the light and lost flavor.

 

[thebranchman]

Even if you keep those at 24h I would recommend a dark period before harvest. Some people go as far as 3 days if the humidity is not very high, some people just do it right before the lights go on after their dark period. After a few hours in the dark I can already notice the smell getting stronger, so a few hours also do something.

Honestly I've got 2 distinct phenos out of these 4 plants, I'll probably pull the big one early because she looks like she'll finish way earlier. That I'll leave with the light on because then after that's harvested I can play with the other ones light cycles a bit. I'll definitely give whichever the last ones are out of this batch some time off of light. If i had my way id be in a warehouse with hundreds of rooms to experiment with. I wanna make a bit of a disclaimer here and say none of this is for ease and yield. If I was gunna do something easy and had results I'd go get clones and do some nft or whatever. I'm looking to experiment and try to understand the plant. Every one of my runs is gunna be slightly different.

 

[Eledin]

Even if you keep those at 24h I would recommend a dark period before harvest. Some people go as far as 3 days if the humidity is not very high, some people just do it right before the lights go on after their dark period. After a few hours in the dark I can already notice the smell getting stronger, so a few hours also do something.

There's more science behind it if you wanna know, plants including weed store nutrients during the dark period in the roots, thats why people chop them quickly, when the light hits them they start transporting those nutes back to the plant. Most seem to agree that is the best way to keep a smooth smoke.

 

[thebranchman]

Sorry I left that part out, it was 50% peat 50% coco grown under one led growing buld 75W (4000k) and and flowering growing bulb 75W (pink 2100k). I didnt have enough money so I used one of both, for me white is very much needed as only blue and red lack the green spectrum that has been proven to be beneficial for plants, its also the spectrum that penetrates better to the lower part of the plant. And no, plants dont reflect all green light, only 5 to 10% of it, but since its more than the other colors they look green. Green lights for dark periods work because they have very little lumens even tho I wouldnt use one. The smoke from that one was equally good to the other one, except for the main top bud which was way too close to the light and lost flavor.

That's very interesting I think the light there definitely has a big role to play in what's going on there. The hlg boards I have are almost straight white light, some soft white and some red in there too

 

[thebranchman]

There's more science behind it if you wanna know, plants including weed store nutrients during the dark period in the roots, thats why people chop them quickly, when the light hits them they start transporting those nutes back to the plant.

I don't disagree with this but I think hydroponics is a good medium to experiment with in having no dark time, there's constant supply of steady nutrients theres no need to store, because in nature there may not be a steady steam of nutrients. In a more controlled setting I think they've been more adapted to the steady stream of 24/7 growth than having to adapt to nature's cycles and store stuff because they can't use it during the night with the absence of light.

 

[Eledin]

That's very interesting I think the light there definitely has a big role to play in what's going on there. The hlg boards I have are almost straight white light, some soft white and some red in there too

Thats a "full spectrum", those are in my opinion the best ones you could have. The true full spectrums also come with a bit of UV and also IR (Infrared), so they are the ones that match the light spectrum of the sun the best out of all types of lights. Debatable if UV does something, not enough studies, 1 showed more trichomes one showed no results at all. Trichomes are reflective and the plant use them as defense against UV and too much blue, theres that. IR definetely helps the buds.

 

[Eledin]

I don't disagree with this but I think hydroponics is a good medium to experiment with in having no dark time, there's constant supply of steady nutrients theres no need to store, because in nature there may not be a steady steam of nutrients. In a more controlled setting I think they've been more adapted to the steady stream of 24/7 growth than having to adapt to nature's cycles and store stuff because they can't use it during the night with the absence of light.

I didnt think about that, I never growed in hydro I wish there was a study about crosses between strains that have been grown in hydro to see if they change their behaviours but I would expect them to still work somewhat like they do in nature, at least the first generations.

 

[thebranchman]

Thats a "full spectrum", those are in my opinion the best ones you could have. The true full spectrums also come with a bit of UV and also IR (Infrared), so they are the ones that match the light spectrum of the sun the best out of all types of lights. Debatable if UV does something, not enough studies, 1 showed more trichomes one showed no results at all. Trichomes are reflective and the plant use them as defense against UV and too much blue, theres that. IR definetely helps the buds.

I've heard some of the professors and company men say uv-b is good and uv-a is bad but they don't know in what strength or duration yet. Ir I'm not sure about honestly

I didnt think about that, I never growed in hydro I wish there was a study about crosses between strains that have been grown in hydro to see if they change their behaviours but I would expect them to still work somewhat like they do in nature, at least the first generations.

Yes it's exciting to think about, I think it definitely has to change their behaviors after generations and generations. Organisms adapt to their environment, but to what degree we can manipulate the plant will be super interesting to see.

 

[Eledin]

I've heard some of the professors and company men say uv-b is good and uv-a is bad but they don't know in what strength or duration yet. Ir I'm not sure about honestly

Yes it's exciting to think about, I think it definitely has to change their behaviors after generations and generations. Organisms adapt to their environment, but to what degree we can manipulate the plant will be super interesting to see.

UV-A is what the LEDs that have them use (the ones Ive seen at least), the premise is that the plant will generate more trichomes to defend itself against the agressive UV light. Maybe UV-B is less damaging and thats why they said that. I honestly dont know either.

 

[thebranchman]

UV-A is what the LEDs that have them use (the ones Ive seen at least), the premise is that the plant will generate more trichomes to defend itself against the agressive UV light. Maybe UV-B is less damaging and thats why they said that. I honestly dont know either.

These are the good kinds of answers, honest ones haha

 

[GNick55]

If you dont have an educated opinion on what it could potentially be deficent in then I'd like someone else's input, thanks though.

ok sounds like you know what your doing.,

 

[thebranchman]

ok sounds like you know what your doing.,

Have you grown hydro with leds before? If you can't point out what the deficiency is then I'm not sure what your point is in saying that, I already addressed it could be a deficiency.

 

[Goodshit97]

Maybe I'd try less than 24 if they looked bad but I think this looks great for an auto. I'd definitely try it if I had more space but I only have room for one grow right now. The Alaskan thing is interesting but I don't think it has much to do with genetics that have been indoors for generations on generations of plants, these aren't photoperiods or photo-autos, the genetic has been selected at the seed many more times than regular photos and especially clone-only plants. These would display stronger autoflower traits than plants that would be 10-20 generations ago, which is is as little as 5 years because they can be grown in a quarter of a year. The last 10 years of advancement has done alot for a true quality autoflower genetic. lack of research and also misinformation, along with new science coming out is making things change. While it's not perfect for every strain I think 24/7 of light will be common place for commercial operations using autos within just a decade or two.

This bottom photos is screaming light stress. Look at how the top leaves are praying and crispy, plants need a certain DLI and if the DLI is to high,(which i can guarantee it is at 24/7) they burn. Also the purpling is saying lockout to me, but im not that great at diagnosis.

I bet if you tried 18/6, even 20/4 youd notice a change.

 

[thebranchman]

This bottom photos is screaming light stress. Look at how the top leaves are praying and crispy, plants need a certain DLI and if the DLI is to high,(which i can guarantee it is at 24/7) they burn. Also the purpling is saying lockout to me, but im not that great at diagnosis.

I bet if you tried 18/6, even 20/4 youd notice a change

Yeah definitely but my goal for this grow is high as possible DLI, I'd rather turn my lights down a bit and lift them than turn them off. They were only 16 inches from the canopy at full intensity until last week. I turned the intensity down mayne 20% a week ago, and lifted the lights up to 20-21 inches today. The purpling is what I'm more interested in for sure.