Septoria, deficiency, neither, I don’t know?

[Rama777]

Gotcha. I hit some dry silica that’s water soluble. I’ll be sure to check the pH of the solution and buffer it.

Speaking of buds breaking branches..

I’ve noticed that my inner canopy tops are super thin and bendy. I bend them and twist them almost everyday but they are still so soft. Maybe silica will strengthen them?

 

[Captspaulding]

I’m not sure what P deficiency looks like. Hopefully I won’t be finding out anytime soon. I did have a of a magnesium deficiency but transplanting and increasing the calmag too care of that.

Pretty sure all we’re lookin’ at is some overfeeding of nitrogen for now.

Just keep posting if you run into any weirdness on your leaves. I’m gonna link something I link to a lot of growers.

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[Bdubs]

Silica will strengthen cell wall strength. In the Silica form it will reduce Ph naturally. It helps with drought resistance, disease and infestations. It makes the cell walls thick and well built so that those sort of things cannot penetrate. It is highly needed in hydroponics because it is not present on the water naturally. But, in soil it is produced normally thorough enzyme activities. It isn’t needed though as if time is no matter you can LST harder and force strengthening of selected branches/stems.

 

[Rama777]

That’s probably the best deficiency guide I’ve seen yet thanks!

I figured something out looking back at my notes. For the last feeding before I started seeing the excess nitrogen, I decided to try 200 calmag instead of 350. But then I added enough nutes to get to 825, which was my prior target. But that difference of 150ppm with the reduced calmag was filled in with more nitrogen basically. Lesson learned there. Should have fed with a total ppm 675 and not 825 as a result of the calmag reduction I believe.

But ultimately if I grow any of these out again, they’ll get a touch less than that since they’ve all shown at least light overfeeding symptoms.

 

[Rama777]

Tell me more about forced stem strengthening! Like I said, I bend and twist the stems of the new tops, but most of them are still very floppy and soft. Could be just that they are young? Could be genetics or could actually just be some overfeeding of nitrogen that would cause them to feel weak?

 

[jdog22]

Stakes bro! Or hang them up yo-yo style!

i was just looking into yo-yos i have a couple spare from my lights but 100% getting more it will work like a charm

 

[Rama777]

I was thinking about keeping some yo-yo’s on hand preemptively. Though I will likely be putting some stakes into all the pots.

 

[Captspaulding]

Tell me more about forced stem strengthening! Like I said, I bend and twist the stems of the new tops, but most of them are still very floppy and soft. Could be just that they are young? Could be genetics or could actually just be some overfeeding of nitrogen that would cause them to feel weak?

To much nitrogen will indeed make a stalk spongy sometimes brittle if it’s crazy toxic. Now, you can look into super cropping. That is a stem strengthening exercise improves uptake and yield, while also giving you options on maneuvering wily colas.

 

[Bdubs]

LST or bending of stems will cause strengthening of the base and stem of which the stress is applied.

Silica is going to naturally add stem strength through processes and cell wall production, without LST. With my current experience. You need to use Silica from start to finish to gain the benefits of it. Not required in soil imo. But in small amounts, can be super beneficial if administered from the start.z

 

[jdog22]

4w 3d in flower

 

[jdog22]

during this bloom peroid the plants were way to thick at the stem and i broke a branch tying one down so i decided to super crop and it went really well :)

 

[Rama777]

Cool thanks. I do have some sponginess of the branches. I can feel it in the leaf stems as well. Hopefully they’ll just get past it with a bit less ppm. I do think silica could help regardless of the fact that I haven’t added it from the start. But, we’ll see. I don’t really know..

Plants just woke up. The excess nitrogen issue has not progressed anymore so far.

New growth seems to be taking a bit longer to darken up from the yellowing hue. I’ll chalk that up to rapid growth unless I hear otherwise ;)

 

[Rama777]

Of maybe not. Could just be a bit over watchful after my scare last night.

 

[Captspaulding]

Of maybe not. Could just be a bit over watchful after my scare last night.

Your good buddy, don’t sweat it, you are on point. If the lightness of growth stresses you, pull a plant out of there, into ambient light, then the contrast lessens. Also a good way to see any off pigmentation as well.

 

[Rama777]

Sweet. Yeah things do look awesome! About to have some pruning fun :)

 

[Captspaulding]

Sweet. Yeah things do look awesome! About to have some pruning fun :)

In veg, try to keep to inward center pointing leaves covering potential top sites. Leave the majority of the outer perimeter growth.

 

[Rama777]

For now I’ve just been taking out the lowest leaves and stems that won’t end up getting anywhere, a few leaves and little stems are every few days or so. Basically a slow rolling lollipop-ping. For the inner tops I just tuck leaves. All the tops everywhere are fully exposed to lights. You see any reason to take out anything up here at the canopy?

 

[Rama777]

Maybe not fully exposed but pretty close.

 

[Rama777]

I’ve removed these lower, first big fans on one of the plants. They get in the way of watering but I can and have worked around them. Cool to take them out?

 

[Captspaulding]

I’ve removed these lower, first big fans on one of the plants. They get in the way of watering but I can and have worked around them. Cool to take them out?

Sure thing! I’m just pretty light handed on defoliating depending on if I’m mainlining a plant, lst, cropping ect. But I do try to keep as much on as possible, but, if it’s making you make a mess, I’d bail it…..