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I took everything out of the jars and closed 1/2 of the intake vents at the bottom so that more air can be filtered out. At the very least, the humidity couldn’t get worse and they’re all spread out, that’s a solid way to prevent mold, right?
No. Air flow is important. Mold doesn't like it.

I saw some stuff about how people in the south face high humidity drying and they say putting your light on helps aswell, maybe I can try this if humidity can’t go lower than 68.
Raising the temperature will lower the relative humidity. I wouldn't use a light to do it, though. It might affect the taste and flavor. Use a heater instead. A problem with heat can be drying too rapidly. In your case, however, rapid drying doesn't seem to be a problem. Some trial and error might be necessary.
 
No. Air flow is important. Mold doesn't like it.


Raising the temperature will lower the relative humidity. I wouldn't use a light to do it, though. It might affect the taste and flavor. Use a heater instead. A problem with heat can be drying too rapidly. In your case, however, rapid drying doesn't seem to be a problem. Some trial and error might be necessary.
The i line fan I run 24/7 is so strong it makes the tent almost fold inward, and just unzipping the tent is noticably harder than normal. Is this enough airflow? I do have the one vent at the bottom cracked
 
The i line fan I run 24/7 is so strong it makes the tent almost fold inward, and just unzipping the tent is noticably harder than normal. Is this enough airflow? I do have the one vent at the bottom cracked
Can you adjust the fan? It doesn't need to run at full speed. One vent might be enough, but two would probably be better.

The replacement of the air in the tent can be calculated. Find the volume of the tent and compare that with the capacity of the fan. So, for example, a 2x2x6 tent has a volume of 24 cubic feet. The amount of air a fan moves is measured by cubic feet per minute (CFM). So, if the fan in this example moves 100 CFM, it will replace the air in the tent more than 4 times per minute. That's more than enough.
 
Can you adjust the fan? It doesn't need to run at full speed. One vent might be enough, but two would probably be better.

The replacement of the air in the tent can be calculated. Find the volume of the tent and compare that with the capacity of the fan. So, for example, a 2x2x6 tent has a volume of 24 cubic feet. The amount of air a fan moves is measured by cubic feet per minute (CFM). So, if the fan in this example moves 100 CFM, it will replace the air in the tent more than 4 times per minute. That's more than enough.
My fan replaces the air almost two times per minute at the capacity it’s on, do you think that’s a good amount? I’ll be able to check the rh here in about an hour and see if closing the one vent completely and the other a bit helped.
 
My fan replaces the air almost two times per minute at the capacity it’s on, do you think that’s a good amount? I’ll be able to check the rh here in about an hour and see if closing the one vent completely and the other a bit helped.
If you got it down to 68 then just do what you did again you should be able to get in that right cure range. Definitely don’t use a light as they say light will speed up degradation of your flowers.
 
im glad i live in the twilight zone because after hanging mine for 7 or 8 days i can smoke it lol
 
Pro cure

Phase one. 70%+ RH: This starts out just like any other time you have done it. Once you have harvested your bud and trimmed it to your liking, hang it in a cool dark place. This is where we will part from tradition. Allow it to hang until the buds begin to feel like they are drying (note the temps and rh as this will rarely be the same during subsequent harvests). They will start to lose their "softness" in favor of a slightly crispy texture. We don't want to allow it to dry until the stems snap. THIS IS WRONG! We want the stems to be flexible. Not totally soft, but not snapping, either. If allowed to dry until the stems snap we risk it drying too much and losing an opportunity to take full advantage of the cure window. You see once the bud reaches the 55% RH range, the cure is dead. No amount of moisture added will revive this. If you are a brown bag dryer you can still use this technique, although I no longer do. I feel it is unneccessary at this point in the drying process. Just make sure you do not over dry. Also, this is a perfect time to calibrate your hygrometers with your new calibrating kit. This phase may take anywhere from 2 to 7 days depending on ambient temp, RH and strain, etc. It is important to be right on top of this phase. Sometimes we will notice thinner stemmed buds getting done quicker. It is ok to take these first and put them in the jar. Just screw the cap on very loosely until the bulk of the bud joins it.

Phase two. 70% to 65% RH: This is where the numbers game begins to kick in. Once you have reached the crispy bud/flexible stem stage, it is time to jar it up. Now there are a few options here.. Really you can jar it up just like always. Only, fill your jar 3/4 to 4/5 full so you have room to use your hygrometer. You can leave it on the stem, stem free, whatever. I personally prefer it in it's finished state, no stems. You can leave just a few stems intact for the sake of testing stem flexibility. Also, with more stems comes more moisture. This may fit well with your style, but it also may play havoc if mold is present. Once your bud is in the jar drop in the hygrometer and cap it. Keep an eye on your meter for the next hour or so. What we are shooting for in this phase is 70% RH maximum. If you hit 71% or greater, you will have to take the bud out to dry more. If this seems a little tricky here, it is. The cure, even though we are still in the dry phase, has been happening to a small degree since the moment the bud was cut. Basically now we are juggling time with mold prevention. We want to avoid any instance of mold, but we want to get every second of cure time in that we can. The goal in this phase is to start at a 70% maximum RH and, in a timely and mold free manner, bring the RH down to about 65%. The reason I say "about" is that if there is an issue with mold (i.e. the crop was exposed to heavy mold before and/or during harvest) we may chose to take the RH even lower, like 62%. This won't leave a huge window for curing, but it will keep the bud safe. Ideally, however, 65% will do. Generally you can tell pretty quickly if the bud is still too wet as the hygrometer % will climb pretty quickly (rate: 1% per hour or faster). You will also notice, at this point, that the bud will feel "wetter". That's ok. The reason for this is that while the exposed part of the bud began to dry quicker than the inside during phase one, the inside of the bud and stems retained a good deal of their moisture. Once in the jars (phase two) that moisture can no longer be efficiently evaperated off and moved to a different area, being replaced by dryer air. Once you have determined the RH, which may take up to 24 hours, you can begin burping the jars. This can be done at a rate of one to two hours once or twice a day, depending on initial RH reading. Your room RH, temp, strain, exposure to mold and hygro readings will dictate this for you and wether to go faster or slower. Slower is always better, but precipitating factors, as stated, may trump this.. Also, at the end of this stage is where most commercial bud will hit the open market, if you are lucky. The bud at this stage should have that super sticky icky velvety feel and the 'bag appeal' will be at it's very highest.



Phase three, 65% to 60% RH: Your buds are in the jar and RH is 65% or less. Perfect. The object of the game, as stated before, is to slowly release the moisture from the jar over time. Your buds are now in the cure zone. At this point we are looking for a much slower release than phase two and will shift to a short burp once a week. Your buds will deliver a nice smoke at around 60%, so the speed at which this is done (which translates directly to duration of burpage) is entirely up to you. It is at this stage that small stems should snap in two. It is also in this stage that you will meet true stability, or equalization, in RH. What that means is that the amount of moisture in the stems is no longer disproportionate to the buds, and moisture transfer or persperation (sweat) slows dramatically. This also means it will take much longer to get a true reading from your Hygrometer. A true reading at this point might take up to 36 hours, but that's ok.

So, do you know what your idea of a perfect smoking bud is? If you have followed the phases as you have read them, then this is the stage where you can find out. It may be as specific as a stationary RH value, or even a "window" between different values. Everyone one should know there ideal smoking range. I prefer mine on a slightly dryer cure, say between 55 to 57%.


Phase four, 60% to 55%+ RH: Even though a true cure is far from over, your buds are truly ready to smoke if you wish. They are also ready to face long term storage. As stated before, the cure dies at -55%. It is ok for the cure to be dead if you have reached your desired cure level as later remoisturing can easily bring that bud back into your prefered smoking range. But, you can also continue the cure for long time periods and the trick to this is to stay above the 55% level. Unfortunately even claimed 'air tight' jars will allow bud to continue losing moisture over time. The trick here is to guarantee air tightness. Simon has suggested that he jars in air tight jars and double vacuum bags it as a way to ensure cure integrity. I am less picky. It is a good idea, though not neccessary, to leave a hygro in the jar and check it from time to time. I would start with once a week for the first month then, if everything is stable, once every month after that should suffice.
i respect you man but your still giving misinformation on here . From actual experience i know your wrong. Any bud falling below 60 rh is over dried. You said yourself you’re not that picky? Brings me to my next question why do u even grow ? You’re not a true smoker or connoisseur of bud. Stop putting false information on here before you get sued. Every person who likes great bud don’t listen to this guy. Curing and drying bud u wanna stay above 60 rh and tempe below 70 period. I been growing 10 years and smoking 30 years and this bud ignorant people seem to multiply daily. Your not picky it a real smoker keep ur flawed advice to you man. Sorry if i seem frustrated but people like you ruin others hard work
 
No. Air flow is important. Mold doesn't like it.


Raising the temperature will lower the relative humidity. I wouldn't use a light to do it, though. It might affect the taste and flavor. Use a heater instead. A problem with heat can be drying too rapidly. In your case, however, rapid drying doesn't seem to be a problem. Some trial and error might be necessary.
your a fool to tell people to use a heater man . Really where do you people come from? so much bad information. dry bud at 68 f 65 rf . if u fall below 55 rh during the dry. You officially murdered all your terps and can never be fixed. I really hate people like you who post pure ignorance about drying bud . You really have no clue thanks for ruining others harvest
 
your a fool to tell people to use a heater man . Really where do you people come from? so much bad information. dry bud at 68 f 65 rf . if u fall below 55 rh during the dry. You officially murdered all your terps and can never be fixed. I really hate people like you who post pure ignorance about drying bud . You really have no clue thanks for ruining others harvest
Where did I mention a heater? I don't use one for my drying tent.

I've dried many crops at the settings I recommend. No one is complaining about my weed. It's fine.

So, you think your harvest was ruined because of how you dried it? 😂
 
Where did I mention a heater? I don't use one for my drying tent.

I've dried many crops at the settings I recommend. No one is complaining about my weed. It's fine.

So, you think your harvest was ruined because of how you dried it? 😂
Sorry yes . I had my temp at 60 rh dropped to 46 for one day ruined all my weed yes. i bought a new better humidifier so hopefully this next dry is perfect
 
Just harvested my first crop, got about 200 grams from my 4 plants. They’ve been drying for 20 days now, the outsides are crisp but they’re still a bit sticky in the middles. I let them hang dry for 14 days, then trimmed and let them sit loose for another 6. I just jarred them again with two 62% bovita packs in each jar, and they don’t stick together, but my hygrometer reads 72%rh. Not sure what’s making them take so long, rh sat around 66 for most of the drying with ample airflow. For now, I put the jars back in the tent I was drying in, but is it ok they sit at 70%rh?
No offense but you way way over dried your buds. Please don’t be offended i’m going by pure experience this is my 10th harvest i’m drying now at 68 f 65 humidity in a clean bedroom with a fan blowing at the wall central air set at 70. Cold temps take your humidity way down so be careful. I messed up 2 harvest drying at 60 f with a humidifier running on hi still rh dropped to 46 at day 6 . The bud was grown in hydro coco coir general hydroponics nutrients ac infinity tent and in line fan. Under a 800 watt anglex m800 very impressive led grow light. All the bud blue cookies and jealousy smell amazing sour earthy sweet skunk chocolate woody piney notes. God the smell of the jealousy was literally addictive. I ran them 11 weeks till i saw milky and amber trics. Yea all the bud turned out bad bad it smokes get u hi but no taste barley any smell. Humidity rh is so so so important. And not drying your plants so long. 7 days is plenty 15 days is purely insane behavior and beyond logical thinking. When you place your buds in jars you want them to feel dense and should stink and feel slightly sticky. I even think the buds sticking together in the jar is a good sign. I’m going by experience people not by what i read off google. Perhaps use google scholar if you want your research to hold any validity. The blue cookies and jealousy were dense smelly hi grade buds yet at 46 rh 60 degrees f for one day ruined it all. It’s so sad and deeply painful financially and in general i’m truly obsessed with cannabis so u can imagine how i feel. The drying room was at 59 rh and 61 f degrees the day prior to it dropping to 46 rh. I’m starting to think rh is more important than low temps . 60 f is to low people i sware to you stop listening to the lies. Dry your bud 68 f 63 or 65 humidity unless u have super hi humidity. But if your running 60 f that’s cold and you better have one hell of a humidifier. Also i dry in a small room with central air and a humidifier fan at the wall. I’m positive that cold temps low humidity ruined my bud but also trying to dry it 10 days listening to stupid people on this forum. 5 Days drying bud at 65 68 f is plenty no wonder all the street bud is horrible. I use to be able to buy great weed steady all year always ganja and always fresh. As growers we need to be smarter and support one another the best we can with valid information we tested not read . Thanks
 
Sorry yes . I had my temp at 60 rh dropped to 46 for one day ruined all my weed yes. i bought a new better humidifier so hopefully this next dry is perfect
46 is low, for sure. I haven't ever done that, so I don't know for sure what that would do, other than dry fast. I wouldn't guess that would ruin the weed, though. It's possible to rehydrate it. You're certainly welcome to start a thread to get some ideas from some of the smart people here.

Cold temps take your humidity way down so be careful.
Humidity increases as the temperature decreases, and vice versa. See what Google has to say:

https://www.google.com/search?q=relationship%20between%20temperature%20and%20humidity
 
I’m a dinosaur. Have some decent grows under my belt. Average 7+ pounds. Wet trim and hang in my shop. If I think the weed isn’t drying, I leave the lights on over night . Generally 7 days I’m good. Cure in food grade 5 gal buckets. My wife loves when I’m burping them , stanking up the house. Vacuum bag, not tight, and give em away. One ounce bags, labeled with the strain. I save a lb for myself. Now thanks to that non dead listening Nick, it’s all hash all the time. I never used any of the stuff you cats discuss, not to sure what most of it is. My point, being untechnable , ain’t bad . You guys got it wired.
 
I’m a dinosaur. Have some decent grows under my belt. Average 7+ pounds. Wet trim and hang in my shop. If I think the weed isn’t drying, I leave the lights on over night . Generally 7 days I’m good. Cure in food grade 5 gal buckets. My wife loves when I’m burping them , stanking up the house. Vacuum bag, not tight, and give em away. One ounce bags, labeled with the strain. I save a lb for myself. Now thanks to that non dead listening Nick, it’s all hash all the time. I never used any of the stuff you cats discuss, not to sure what most of it is. My point, being untechnable , ain’t bad . You guys got it wired.
I'm with you on that take Jimmie.
 
In my opinion, weed doesn’t burn worth a damn at 62% anyway! Have to dry it out more than that just to smoke it! But will store it at 62%! But if it drying to 55% ruins it so you lose all potency and don’t get high off of it I would be a little dubious about the quality of the weed to begin with! Just two cents!😁🐒 in my experience all weed at 62% does is gunk up grinders and wear out lighters!😁
 
In my opinion, weed doesn’t burn worth a damn at 62% anyway! Have to dry it out more than that just to smoke it! But will store it at 62%! But if it drying to 55% ruins it so you lose all potency and don’t get high off of it I would be a little dubious about the quality of the weed to begin with! Just two cents!😁🐒 in my experience all weed at 62% does is gunk up grinders and wear out lighters!😁

I keep my storage Mason's vacuum sealed at 62 and the act of pulling some out and restocking my daily jar takes it down just enough to burn nice.
 
46 is low, for sure. I haven't ever done that, so I don't know for sure what that would do, other than dry fast. I wouldn't guess that would ruin the weed, though. It's possible to rehydrate it. You're certainly welcome to start a thread to get some ideas from some of the smart people here.


Humidity increases as the temperature decreases, and vice versa. See what Google has to say:

https://www.google.com/search?q=relationship%20between%20temperature%20and%20humidity
yea but using central air at 60 f takes the humidity down to low. I should have been more specific
 
Yeah I'd they don't need to be in the jars and in the tent. I think your over thinking it. if they are still feeling wet let them dry out more. Better to keep it on the drier side cuz if you seal jars when the weed is too wet it will lose the nose from anaerobic bacteria also there are other compounds that are still breaking down and need to off gas. You don't want to let it get too dry but imo drier side is better, it might feel more dry then it actually is, if its crispy on the outside and you put it back in the jars it will get wet again. I personally like to hang dry with more foliage on the plant as I feel like it drys more gracefully. if you cut foliage off before drying it locks in chlorophyll and other undesirable compounds that need to off gas and break down.
 

yea but using central air at 60 f takes the humidity down to low. I should have been more specific
Also i did rehydrate all the bud using boveda but no taste or smell came back my friend. Once you murder the terp villagers with low humidity or hi temperature you can’t bring them back
 
Also i did rehydrate all the bud using boveda but no taste or smell came back my friend. Once you murder the terp villagers with low humidity or hi temperature you can’t bring them back
I've lost terps storing too early when the flower was too wet, because bacteria will feed on the terps which are hydrocarbons. the smell doesn't come back. but as far as over drying and losing terps to that your dry room shouldn't be over 85 F. bovedas are for when the weed is fully dried and cured and they honestly dont work that great, you shouldn't even be using them when the weed is still wet and curing still.
 
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