Is this plant turning hermaphrodite?

[budrow]

I am a little over 5 weeks into flower and just noticed these coming out of one of the buds. Is this normal or is plant turning herm? Thanks!

 

[Sunin]

Banana daiquiry unfortunately

 

[RootFarmer]

Definitely some nanners but I'm only seeing a few and you're close to finishing. A couple of options maybe. You could isolate her if possible and finish her out or remove then chop. Either way, probably best to isolate if you can. She may just be attempting to self pollenate because the nanners are popping out so late.

 

[budrow]

Definitely some nanners but I'm only seeing a few and you're close to finishing. A couple of options maybe. You could isolate her if possible and finish her out or remove then chop. Either way, probably best to isolate if you can. She may just be attempting to self pollenate because the nanners are popping out so late.

Okay I isolated her into a different room. I will probably just chop later today, Will she produce any seeds? If so would I have to let it grow more first?

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Definitely some nanners but I'm only seeing a few and you're close to finishing. A couple of options maybe. You could isolate her if possible and finish her out or remove then chop. Either way, probably best to isolate if you can. She may just be attempting to self pollenate because the nanners are popping out so late.

Those are stress induced bare stamen. If you had to choose a type of hermie, it would definitely be this kind.


If you did leave her in the main tent, she's not going to make enough pollen to totally seed out your grow or diminish the end quality. And any seeds produced on her would be feminized S1's (they would be just as likely to herm as this one though), and any seed produced in plants that didnt herm would be feminized crosses technically


stress induced bare stamen are where you get viable fem seed. Fully formed male flowers on a female are where you get genetic hermie seed. If you grow seed made on a female plant that didnt easily hermie using the pollen from this plant making bare stamen, most of the seed produced in the other plant would be feminized seed just as resistant to herm as the female that grew the seed.

 

[Farmermarc]

I am a little over 5 weeks into flower and just noticed these coming out of one of the buds. Is this normal or is plant turning herm? Thanks!

Yuppp light leaks cause this at this stage, or genetics ofc but if you had solid genetics then fs light leaks, try to keep everything dark in the tent when lights are off, I close all side vents and make sure my door window is all the way down too. But ay don’t take this as a hit, it’s all a learning experience to make you a better grower! Consistency is key! I went from a nobody to now knowing top breeders. I always tell people be patient! It pays off!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Yuppp light leaks cause this at this stage, or genetics ofc but if you had solid genetics then fs light leaks, try to keep everything dark in the tent when lights are off, I close all side vents and make sure my door window is all the way down too. But ay don’t take this as a hit, it’s all a learning experience to make you a better grower! Consistency is key! I went from a nobody to now knowing top breeders. I always tell people be patient! It pays off!

small consistent light leaks dont cause hermies, otherwise stars, full moons, and thunderstorms would, or all the cat claw marks on every tent ive ever owned giving my plants nice starry nights. Thats a myth first perpetuated in the late 90s by shoddy breeders to hide their poor breeding practices. And it just kinda caught on. There are financially succesful breeders out there, breeders that dont even realize there are like 3 kinds of hermies, and if you include males, like 5.


if small light leaks can stress your plants enough to herm them, so can simply touching them and moving them around. thats poor genetics, not poor growing. His light nitrogen toxicity, and light phosphorous deficiency is infinitely more stressful for a plant in flower then small light leaks, and even though minor, and likely the root of these bare stamen. (these plants literally evolved a long side light leaks, minor and major, inconsistent and consistent both, for longer then our species has even existed) You can use this plant to make viable, hermie resistant fem seed too, so long as you hit a stress tested female known to not have the trait (Yup, even stress herm is a genetic thing hahahaha. Some plants wont do it even if you slowly kill them mid flower, and those are the ones i force herm chemically to make female pollen with personally. I havent had herm issues light leaks or otherwise in over a decade. But i also know the phenotype origins of my seed, and the process that created it and why, because i made them myself.)

 

[budrow]

I have it pitch dark in my grow room. These are some random seeds I got from my dad so I'm guessing it may just be bad genetics. Many of these seeds my dad planted turned full on male.

 

[Farmermarc]

small consistent light leaks dont cause hermies, otherwise stars, full moons, and thunderstorms would, or all the cat claw marks on every tent ive ever owned giving my plants nice starry nights. Thats a myth first perpetuated in the late 90s by shoddy breeders to hide their poor breeding practices. And it just kinda caught on.

I agree 100% this is also a major fact, people don’t buy seeds from the people who invented the OG strains, they started to mix too much and that’s why they all are BX’ing rn because they were just breeding bs, like believe me I love tikimadman but his seeds don’t always pop and you’ll spend $100+, my best strains really were from exotic genetix or solfire. Even elev8 seeds are mid and ethos idk why people buy that brand and Humboldt county genetics is right we’re tiki is too and tiki uses solfire genetics which they get their genetics from exotic genetix. Lookup the 2024 breeders bracket to get the best!

 

[Farmermarc]

I have it pitch dark in my grow room. These are some random seeds I got from my dad so I'm guessing it may just be bad genetics. Many of these seeds my dad planted turned full on male.

Bad genetics forsure and if you try to grow a seed in a good 8th of weed it probably won’t be good that’s also a rule of thumb

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Bad genetics forsure and if you try to grow a seed in a good 8th of weed it probably won’t be good that’s also a rule of thumb

thats also something that deserves some extra nuance. You can know easily and exactly which bagseed is worth growing just by looking at the flower lol.

Bagseed:


If your bag is heavily seeded, you really got two options. Reg seed, or genetic hermies. That was flower pollenated 100% for sure by fully formed male flowers, either on a male plant, or an early flower genetic hermaphrodite. Seeds will be deep set into the flower, sometimes all the way to the stem. Stress induced bare stamen dont make enough viable pollen soon enough to do that. And quality of the flower will be diminished

Dont bother growing those seeds.


Now those bags of fire where you find single ripe seeds, rarely, like maybe a couple per qtr O or 8th or so.


Those seeds are often worth growing, they are usually either an S1 of the flower you have, or an F1 fem cross between it and another plant, or an f2-x between two distinct plants of the same lineage. The worst you usually get from those seeds, are what you see here, some late flower stress induced herm. Usually worth growing and nailing tbh. And you can often, if you really like the flower, bring them into a feminized lineage as an F1 without raising the chance of hermies on the other lineage, so long as you wisely choose your phenotypes. Seeds will be sparse, and mostly near the surface of the flower, and will easily fall out of it sometimes. Quality of the flower is not diminished unless by the grower's own mistakes.


Following this outline, you can usually make really good bagseed choices, and often end up with flower that meets or exceeds the original bag so long as you nail the grow.


Being careless about all this in breeding practice, is where all those genetic early herms breeders blame on light leaks come from; excessively unnecessary inbreeding done carelessly in the name of profit margins is where it originated. The late flower stress bananas originated in the wild land-races as an evolutionary backup plan for rough seasons, and also likely originated through inbreeding, albeit natural inbreeding.


Im sure you guys will continue to see me pop in time to time on these hermie question posts. And over time ill have plenty of informative examples given by others to explain exactly what im talking about lol. There's been a few already lmao.

 

[budrow]

So does this plant already have seeds? This is my first grow so I'm new to all of this lol

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

So does this plant already have seeds? This is my first grow so I'm new to all of this lol

doubtful, it takes a few weeks for seeds to mature usually. Maybe by harvest theres be a small number f viable seed. And it wouldnt be enough to deminish quality of the flower much if any at this point. But this is also a plant i wouldnt actually remove or isolate if i had it.

This is one of those hermies i'd personally want to pollenate one of my other more hermie-resistant females so i could hunt the feminized seed it would produce lol.


If you dont want any seeds though, yea isolate it, harvest it soon.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

you may still actually end up with a seed or two on other plants by final cut, may be ripe, maybe premature. If you end up with any seeds on plants that didnt hermie, and you like the flower, hold on to those seeds, as you get your methods dialed in over time they will be very worth growing again. They will grow genetically female plants. It'll give you a cool little benchmark of your progress in growing/drying/curing as well.

 

[budrow]

you may still actually end up with a seed or two on other plants by final cut, may be ripe, maybe premature. If you end up with any seeds on plants that didnt hermie, and you like the flower, hold on to those seeds, as you get your methods dialed in over time they will be very worth growing again. They will grow genetically female plants. It'll give you a cool little benchmark of your progress as well.

Okay thanks a lot for the info!

 

[Phyto]

Rodelization (a little different than a true hermie), happens very often in late flower. It's the plants last ditch effort to produce offspring. A lot of the time those male parts are not good pollinizers, doubt you'll get any viable seeds, unless there were some early flowers you missed. The seeds, if any, should be female (feminized).

 

[RootFarmer]

Could have used this knowledge a long time ago. My Himalayan Gold did this toward the end of my project. I only kept one seed because I thought they would all be herms as well as the seeds of the other plants from that entire cycle. Ugh!

 

[fishmon]

Usually poor genetics. I'd toss it unless you need the smoke. I've grown out herms if they don't have much longer to go until harvest and put in the hard times jar. Isolation is a must. Otherwise, it will pollinate everything. If you finish it out I'd recommend tossing any seed produced. The seeds will be feminized but also subject to herm as well imo. Furthermore, advise the breeder. If no satisfactory response, never purchase from them again and spread the word they're selling unstable seed. Too many breeders are taking shortcuts.

 

[Farmermarc]

thats also something that deserves some extra nuance. You can know easily and exactly which bagseed is worth growing just by looking at the flower lol.

Bagseed:


If your bag is heavily seeded, you really got two options. Reg seed, or genetic hermies. That was flower pollenated 100% for sure by fully formed male flowers, either on a male plant, or an early flower genetic hermaphrodite. Seeds will be deep set into the flower, sometimes all the way to the stem. Stress induced bare stamen dont make enough viable pollen soon enough to do that. And quality of the flower will be diminished

Dont bother growing those seeds.


Now those bags of fire where you find single ripe seeds, rarely, like maybe a couple per qtr O or 8th or so.


Those seeds are often worth growing, they are usually either an S1 of the flower you have, or an F1 fem cross between it and another plant, or an f2-x between two distinct plants of the same lineage. The worst you usually get from those seeds, are what you see here, some late flower stress induced herm. Usually worth growing and nailing tbh. And you can often, if you really like the flower, bring them into a feminized lineage as an F1 without raising the chance of hermies on the other lineage, so long as you wisely choose your phenotypes. Seeds will be sparse, and mostly near the surface of the flower, and will easily fall out of it sometimes. Quality of the flower is not diminished unless by the grower's own mistakes.


Following this outline, you can usually make really good bagseed choices, and often end up with flower that meets or exceeds the original bag so long as you nail the grow.


Being careless about all this in breeding practice, is where all those genetic early herms breeders blame on light leaks come from; excessively unnecessary inbreeding done carelessly in the name of profit margins is where it originated. The late flower stress bananas originated in the wild land-races as an evolutionary backup plan for rough seasons, and also likely originated through inbreeding, albeit natural inbreeding.


Im sure you guys will continue to see me pop in time to time on these hermie question posts. And over time ill have plenty of informative examples given by others to explain exactly what im talking about lol. There's been a few already lmao.

Yup exactly what I was saying if you find a seed in your weed it’s not worth growing just cause it can be a “good brand”. I also agree 100% on the hermies! But yes too many breeders just dropping strains that haven’t even been seen grown. Another rule of thumb is seeing if that company and strain has any grow diaries / journals to show you, if they don’t it’s probably not worth growing. Still the best genetics I’ve had are exotic genetix, and that’s because they pound out #1 cups 24/7 for strains. They invented a lot of goodies, grape jubilee is beyond a heavy hitter! They just dropped another line recently too that sounds gas anyone who wants seeds that pop shop on them fs