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My first attempt at growing and I need help - what's wrong with my plant?!?!?

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My first attempt at growing and I need help - what's wrong with my plant?!?!?

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#21
Smokeshow said:
Howdy everyone. I tried to figure out how to edit my thread title to a "grow journal" but I can't figure it out.

Anyway, I fed and watered her Monday morning. Nutrients used are the FF bloom and grow big at 1/2 recommended and 3ml of CalMag. I am happy to report that the fan leaves that are just popping now are back to 3 fingers. My son came home over the weekend and when he looked at her, he started laughing and said "It doesn't even look like a pot plant anymore, what the hell did you do to it?!?" 😆

But, she is definitely growing and is filling out the 32x32 tent already. I have the new 39x39 tent set up and ready to go and I figure I should put her in the new tent and under the new light for a week before flipping the light schedule to flower? I'm not sure if that makes a difference or if it is me just over-thinking, but I figured it wouldn't hurt and it could help eliminate at least that variable should problems arise during the switch.

Here are current pics from this evening, I can't believe she is almost filling the tent already! (Which amplifies my urgency in getting her back to "full" leaves and then get her into flower before I have a monster on my hands!)

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Phosphorus is responsible for the amount of foliage and photosynthesis. Magnesium is also involved in photosynthesis. Potassium is responsible for the number of shoots and calcium is responsible for the skeleton of the plant. What are the numbers on the rhizome?) what is the mg/ka ratio? How can I help you?)I will assume that there is too much phosphorus and magnesium...... Each plant has a different nutrient profile, and elements do not exist in an available form where a chemical balance has not been achieved
 
#22
Smokeshow said:
So this is my first attempt at growing and I am having a blast....until recently...

Over the past couple of days, I have noticed that new growth leaves, the tips are rolled up - or rolled in on themselves. They look kind of crispy, but they aren't. I am wondering if this is maybe a temperature issue? (Hell, it could be completely normal for new leaves, but I have no clue and can't really find anything online that looks like my "issue")

A little about my set up... Currently in a Mars Hydro 32x32x63 tent under a TS1000 LED. The light is currently at about 60% and I have it about 20 inches from the top of the plant. It is in Happy Frog soil and this plant is from a clone that was cut on 8/10. Aside from the new leaves being curled up, I think it is doing well and it has been growing like crazy.

The reason that I questioned the temperature is because my tent is currently in our finished basement....but it is cold down there. During the day my tent temps are in the low 70's and most of the time it hits a high of 72 or 73 with the light on. During lights out I am sure it is getting down into the mid 60's. My humidity is set right now at 63%.

I do have a fan that has been lightly moving the leaves, so I don't think that it is a wind/fan issue, but maybe with the low temps, etc....it makes it worse?

I tried to take good pics of the leaves in question, but here are some pics. If anyone has any suggestions/ideas/advice I would greatly appreciate any help.

Thank you!!!!

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It's not just the heat, light intensity is too high. Look at how it's not growing stems, it's trying to grow without getting closer to the light.
These plants can take the heat at this stage, but need some higher humidity to keep their vapor pressure in check.

I think your problem is humidity and light intensity relative to the heat, not the heat itself.

Google -VPD chart for cannabis-. Look at what your humidity should be for the temps you're experiencing. ✌️
 
#23
Thanks for the replies everyone. As I mentioned, this is my first go at this and I am reading and learning, and putting this glorious disaster out there to keep me accountable.

I still think that the reason for the goofy leaves is the plant "re-vegging" due to my lack of light discipline early on. I looked this morning and confirmed the new growth is spitting out three lingered leaves now. From a lot that I've since read, re-begging can cause what I am experiencing.

I just looked at a vpd chart. With the move out of the basement my temps are staying right around 73 degrees and I have the RH set at 63%. Per the VPD chart I just saw, my VPD says it is in the .98 to 1.12 range, which I think is OK?

The 150 watt light is 28" above the canopy and it is currently at 40% and the ppfd on the photone app is in the 350 range.

Thanks again for the help, thoughts and ideas/suggestions. I will report back in a couple of days with an update!

Smoke
 
#24
Smokeshow said:
So this is my first attempt at growing and I am having a blast....until recently...

Over the past couple of days, I have noticed that new growth leaves, the tips are rolled up - or rolled in on themselves. They look kind of crispy, but they aren't. I am wondering if this is maybe a temperature issue? (Hell, it could be completely normal for new leaves, but I have no clue and can't really find anything online that looks like my "issue")

A little about my set up... Currently in a Mars Hydro 32x32x63 tent under a TS1000 LED. The light is currently at about 60% and I have it about 20 inches from the top of the plant. It is in Happy Frog soil and this plant is from a clone that was cut on 8/10. Aside from the new leaves being curled up, I think it is doing well and it has been growing like crazy.

The reason that I questioned the temperature is because my tent is currently in our finished basement....but it is cold down there. During the day my tent temps are in the low 70's and most of the time it hits a high of 72 or 73 with the light on. During lights out I am sure it is getting down into the mid 60's. My humidity is set right now at 63%.

I do have a fan that has been lightly moving the leaves, so I don't think that it is a wind/fan issue, but maybe with the low temps, etc....it makes it worse?

I tried to take good pics of the leaves in question, but here are some pics. If anyone has any suggestions/ideas/advice I would greatly appreciate any help.

Thank you!!!!

Here are the pics

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Now that re-veg was pointed out, it's obviously a reveg.
 
#25
Update time for my first grow and I'm happy to report that she is still with us!

I have been trying to pretty much leave her be and just feed and water her. The big change was the move to the new slightly bigger and taller 39"x39"x72" tent and along with that move came exposure to the new light. She is now under the Mars FC-3000 EVO and it is set to about 35% power. I cannot believe how much brighter this thing is than my TS-1000.

As of my last update a few weeks ago, she stopped with the single finger leaves and she was back growing three fingered leaves. As of today I am happy to report that the new growth is now 5 fingered! I was really close to just giving up and starting over but I figured that if nothing else, I could learn a lot from just seeing this grow through. I just hope that I don't screw up and actually earn an opportunity for a harvest and end up with something usable!

The thing that is confusing me is the crazy growth structure of this plant. I did defoliate 3 times over the past two weeks, and one of them was pretty hard, but the leaves were so thick and just laying on each other. As of the past few days, the growth seems to be focusing on "up" now.

Now, this is the first plant that I've ever had and the structure is not like anything I can find online. I topped the plant one time (probably shouldn't have, but I was worried about height) but I think that the "re-veg" is growing tons of stems/stalks/branches. I think that I should probably prune away a lot of it, but every time I look at it to try to figure out what to cut I just get overwhelmed.

The branches that are shooting up new growth now are all over the place. I think these are what I can refer to as "tops"? If that is the case, there are like 30 of them! I am guessing that its probably not a good thing because there are too many?

The other thing that I wanted to document is my feeding/watering over the past 2 weeks. On average, I am watering her 2x per week. This week she was watered on Wednesday and I was going to water on Friday morning, but I waited until Saturday morning. I could not believe how light the 5 gal fabric pot felt. Saturday morning I noticed that when I gave her the gallon of water/nutrients that I did not get very much run-off at all. Much less than normal anyway.

Because she was spitting out so much new growth, I decided to experiment a little and I have added nutrients and Cal-Mag to the past three waterings in a row. I am using the FF trio, so because I have been "vegging" for so long with this plant, I have just been repeating the "Week 4" of veg schedule per FF and adding 1 tsp of Cal-Mag, 1.5 tsp of Big Bloom and 1 tsp of Grow Big. So this is obviously 1/2 strength. The PPM of my RO water is coming in between 4 and 12 ppm and with the nutrients and cal-mag added it is in the low 400's.

I am not seeing any signs of nutrient burn or anything, but I will probably just water with RO water only the next time, unless you all think I should keep pushing the nutrients?

So my questions would be...
#1. If I should keep feeding with every water, or would it be better to alternate, but increase the dosage to more than 1/2 strength?
#2. Any suggestion on pruning this crazy thing??? Each freaking branch makes 8 more branches, which then want to make more branches. Is there an "optimal" number of tops to shoot for? I am guessing that too many without a root structure to support them would just kill the overall quality and yield. Or is it as simple as just feeding more and/or more often to let it do it's thing?
#3. Should I up-pot it to a 10 gallon fabric pot before flowering? I only have the one plant, so in theory, I could...

Thank you for reading and if you have any suggestions for my questions, or anything else that I can learn.... I am listening! I really appreciate the knowledge and support from total strangers, all working toward a common goal!

Smoke.


Now for a couple of pictures....

Just vegging out, waiting for "normal growth to return. This was after some fairly aggressive bending down of the lower branches, that is why she is looking a little sad.
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Here she is in her new home, under the new light. I also took the "clone" from when I topped her. I literally just stuck it into some happy frog in a solo cup. It stayed green and I would water when I thought it needed it. It was pretty well rooted, so I transplanted into a 1gal fabric pot after a month and after I saw new growth. When I posted this pic, it reminded me that I need to cover the light on the power strip with some electrical tape.
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Here I tried to show the "frame" of this crazy girl. I may just rename her "Medusa"!
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Here is a side profile, out of the tent - so more "normal" lighting. Are the areas of new growth that are finally point up what will become "tops"?
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Here is a close up of one of the new branches
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And......FINALLY!!!! Some little baby leaves that have 5 fingers!!!
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#27
Hey, so your plant re vegged…. It’s not a bad thing. I had two plant this year re veg. My advice would be to let it grow a bit. It will be a tad easier to trim that plant up. My 2 reveg was by far my best plants this year. Look up monster cropping !
 
#28
Smokeshow said:
So this is my first attempt at growing and I am having a blast....until recently...

Over the past couple of days, I have noticed that new growth leaves, the tips are rolled up - or rolled in on themselves. They look kind of crispy, but they aren't. I am wondering if this is maybe a temperature issue? (Hell, it could be completely normal for new leaves, but I have no clue and can't really find anything online that looks like my "issue")

A little about my set up... Currently in a Mars Hydro 32x32x63 tent under a TS1000 LED. The light is currently at about 60% and I have it about 20 inches from the top of the plant. It is in Happy Frog soil and this plant is from a clone that was cut on 8/10. Aside from the new leaves being curled up, I think it is doing well and it has been growing like crazy.

The reason that I questioned the temperature is because my tent is currently in our finished basement....but it is cold down there. During the day my tent temps are in the low 70's and most of the time it hits a high of 72 or 73 with the light on. During lights out I am sure it is getting down into the mid 60's. My humidity is set right now at 63%.

I do have a fan that has been lightly moving the leaves, so I don't think that it is a wind/fan issue, but maybe with the low temps, etc....it makes it worse?

I tried to take good pics of the leaves in question, but here are some pics. If anyone has any suggestions/ideas/advice I would greatly appreciate any help.

Thank you!!!!

Here are the pics

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And another...

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Temps!

Back off that light, and should be fine!

Also make sure that you’re getting PLENTY of air flow around your garden!

You’re doing great, and the fact that you’re asking questions from a place of wanting to learn more shows me that you’ll be just fine the more experienced you become!

Good luck! 🤞🏻

::edit::

I JUST saw the most recent photos and post!

The single bladed and 3 bladed leaves DEFINITELY indicate a reveg!

BUT…

If you veg longer now, it’ll branch out like CRAZY, and you’ll be left with a monster cropped freak with a billion tops!!

#silverlining 😂#silverlining
 
#32
R4V3N said:
I'm guessing your plant is too cold when the lights go out.
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I agree. The light-on settings could be better, too.

Smokeshow said:
During the day my tent temps are in the low 70's and most of the time it hits a high of 72 or 73 with the light on. During lights out I am sure it is getting down into the mid 60's. My humidity is set right now at 63%.
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Those settings would result in a VPD that is too low. A low VPD means the plant can't transpire (or respire). It would likely open most of its stomata, and that can cause upward curling of the leaves (and other problems, like slow growth). Optimal VPD varies by life stage of the plant.

I recommend setting the light-on temperature to 77º to 80º and the RH to 50% to 55%. The light-off temperature can be lower.
 
#33
Ok, so as a quick reminder - my plant is in the process of "Re-vegging" due to my ignorance of lighting requirements. By my best guestimate, I would say I am probably on week 6 of the plant re-vegging and new growth is now all 5 fingered AND normal looking! LOL

I have been away with work for the past few days and when I got home and opened up the tent to take a peek, I was surprised with how much new growth there is. But I am also concerned that it will cause me some problems. The leaves are really stacking up and laying all over each other.

Here is my question - should I do a heavy defoliation of the older leaves (1 and 3 fingered, LOL) and give the new growth room to do its thing, or should I just leave her be for a while?

Here is a pic that I just took to hopefully illustrate what I am talking about.

Thank you for any help you can offer!
Smoke
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#34
I would scrog (netting) or trellis this plant. I will let others answer you about defoliating her. She is looking a million times better. Nice job.
 
#35
Smokeshow said:
Here is my question - should I do a heavy defoliation of the older leaves (1 and 3 fingered, LOL) and give the new growth room to do its thing, or should I just leave her be for a while?
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She's getting healthy, so I'd give her some time to recover. There's plenty of time to remove leaves. For now, those leaves are providing needed life force to the plant. How high have you set the light?
 
#36
ParaffinMuffin said:
Stop it.

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Hops say stop it too.

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Go tell the Hop industry about your heat burn theories. Your lies aren't protected outside your little house of mirrors.
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Seems like you have a hard on for a few individuals in this group. It is very bizarre too. Are you even 18 yo? If so, wild this is how you spend your time. @Captspaulding isn't spreading misinformation. In fact, look at this grow before the person took his advice. See it time and time again happening here, where someone's lights are too high or close. As soon as they take the advice, their plants improve. How are you helping growers here?
 
#37
Thanks everybody! I just ran up and measured, the light is currently at 35 inches above the canopy and the power on the light is at about 35% right now. I took a pic to show what the inside of the tent looks like right now.

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#38
Organic13 said:
Seems like you have a hard on for a few individuals in this group. It is very bizarre too. Are you even 18 yo? If so, wild this is how you spend your time. @Captspaulding isn't spreading misinformation. In fact, look at this grow before the person took his advice. See it time and time again happening here, where someone's lights are too high or close. As soon as they take the advice, their plants improve. How are you helping growers here?
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Some folks hate learning. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t teach him to drink. I’ll sure as hell try though and I’ll do it all without being an asshole.🤣
 
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#39
Smokeshow said:
Thanks everybody! I just ran up and measured, the light is currently at 35 inches above the canopy and the power on the light is at about 35% right now. I took a pic to show what the inside of the tent looks like right now.

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Looks good man
 
#40
Organic13 said:
See it time and time again happening here, where someone's lights are too high or close. As soon as they take the advice, their plants improve. How are you helping growers here?
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He helped me twice with this exact thing 🤣 thanks Cap you are greatly appreciated around here but I don't need to tell you that.
 
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