A plant grown from feminized seed produced a single male nanner and knocked herself up. Are the offspring viable?

[8Rhizome8]

Hey’ya there!
I’ve stumbled across something that has me baffled because I’ve never even thought of it before. Lol! Maybe you might have run into this and have some insight? I am amidst a Feminized Cherry Pie grow that I’d Mothered and taken cuttings from. They were later transplanted into bigger containers and vegged even longer until stable. Whence the time came the lights were flipped and flowering commenced. Here’s what just happened…

As I looked around I happened to notice today at Week 5 that I suddenly have orange pistils showing up all over the place. At closer inspection II’ll be damned if I didn’t find a single male nanner hidden up underneath a lower bract that anyone would have missed. Hell I didn’t even think to look for nanner’s on a feminized plant. Novel concept. Sure schooled me. So my question is…

Since these were Feminized seeds (which means that a female plant was “reversed” in order to produce female offspring); What if she herself produces a single male nanner that knocks herself up? She was already reversed to begin with. Considering that this is a double reversal wouldn’t that open up a whole cacophony of chromosomal anomalies within her offspring? Will they herm? Will they be Super Heroes?! She also knocked up the Afghan Haze sitting next to her.

If anyone has any input please chime in. I am stumped.

 

[HerbalEdu]

i have grown seeds from lite hermie a few time, still got a good ratio of 100% female within the batch and not especially more hermie than the previous generation and very few phenos showing more severe hermie traits.

just need to watch for balls the first few weeks of flowers, it's not unusual for some phenos within a strain to show some male flowers with lite environnemental stress, that often happen bottom of the canopy with low light penetration and airflow.

 

[8Rhizome8]

i have grown seeds from lite hermie a few time, still got a good ratio of 100% female within the batch and not especially more hermie than the previous generation and very few phenos showing more severe hermie traits.

just need to watch for balls the first few weeks of flowers, it's not unusual for some phenos within a strain to show some male flowers with lite environnemental stress, that often happen bottom of the canopy with low light penetration and airflow.

Totally. I've got a dependable BC Brainwarp(regular) that pollinates herself like clockwork. She's quite punctual and delivers six beans per season.
It just never occurred to me that feminized cultivars will pop bananas too. I mean, it makes perfect sense I just never considered it to be a thing and here it is. If these turn out to be fems I am bedazzled!

 

[HerbalEdu]

seeds from hermie are feminized

 

[8Rhizome8]

seeds from hermie are feminized

Correct. But, this is not a hermaphrodite. This is a plant that was grown from feminized seed that produced (1) single male flower. These aren't from photo-period male/female parents. This is a feminized plant that came from a reversal. Hermaphrodites show equal expressions of both sexes. There are also Thai varieties that are actually female with male expressions that are not hermaphrodite either. They are female with singular male expressions. They are two different things. No, this is a feminized plant not a hermie that produced pollen that knocked herself up. I know it's confusing.

 

[amneziaHaze]

Seeds should be good and femenised.there is a chance the strain is soo inbreed that seeds are sterile but i think you will be good just let them mature enough usually you get polen late in flower and seeds dont have enough time to mature

 

[8Rhizome8]

It's one thing to isolate and sustain a desired female cultivar by putting her in reverse via jibberelic acid; colloidal silver; light stress etc with the intention of producing X chromosome pollen. Similar is my BC Brainwarp that is a regular photoperiod type that self pollenates of her own accord to the tune of six seeds every season. I just don't know what already feminized pollen that is self pollinating itself is going to produce. Hope I said that in a legible way.

 

[HerbalEdu]

Correct. But, this is not a hermaphrodite. This is a plant that was grown from feminized seed that produced (1) single male flower.

plant producing both female and male flowers, whatever the ratio in between the two, are hermie.

 

[ArtfulCodger]

Without getting into a debate about whether your plant hermed or not, the pollen it creates will be female, because there's no Y chromosome available to make boys. If seeds are produced, they will be feminized. They will likely be viable. It's possible they will be somewhat more likely to express the intersex trait, because they are the offspring of a single parent that expressed an intersex trait, but that's not certain.

 

[8Rhizome8]

Without getting into a debate about whether your plant hermed or not, the pollen it creates will be female, because there's no Y chromosome available to make boys. If seeds are produced, they will be feminized. They will likely be viable. It's possible they will be somewhat more likely to express the intersex trait, because they are the offspring of a single parent that expressed an intersex trait, but that's not certain.

See, that was my initial thought to begin with! I asked an old friend(Gascanistan), how the offspring would turn out and Gas just said the same thing. That, it’s X dominant but would still possess the intersex trait to minimal degree and to be on the lookout for it. He went on to say that the introduction of regular(both sex) pollen will straighten out the anomaly.

No idea what that means. But, as a case study I want to grow out the offspring and see what the ratio is of male/female/hermaphrodite and document the findings. This is a really unique situation and I want to see where it goes.

 

[ArtfulCodger]

What's unique about the situation? That a feminized plant threw boy parts? I don't think of that as being particularly uncommon, but maybe I'm missing something in your description.

 

[davil420]

Hey’ya there!
I’ve stumbled across something that has me baffled because I’ve never even thought of it before. Lol! Maybe you might have run into this and have some insight? I am amidst a Feminized Cherry Pie grow that I’d Mothered and taken cuttings from. They were later transplanted into bigger containers and vegged even longer until stable. Whence the time came the lights were flipped and flowering commenced. Here’s what just happened…

As I looked around I happened to notice today at Week 5 that I suddenly have orange pistils showing up all over the place. At closer inspection II’ll be damned if I didn’t find a single male nanner hidden up underneath a lower bract that anyone would have missed. Hell I didn’t even think to look for nanner’s on a feminized plant. Novel concept. Sure schooled me. So my question is…

Since these were Feminized seeds (which means that a female plant was “reversed” in order to produce female offspring); What if she herself produces a single male nanner that knocks herself up? She was already reversed to begin with. Considering that this is a double reversal wouldn’t that open up a whole cacophony of chromosomal anomalies within her offspring? Will they herm? Will they be Super Heroes?! She also knocked up the Afghan Haze sitting next to her.

If anyone has any input please chime in. I am stumped.

A male will pollinate with in 1 mile of itself, any Females within 1 mile get a smidgen of pollen from male will hermi.
No such thing as a Feminized female seed turning growing male. Means wasn't feminized properly. Question the company it came from or person.
Not all seeds will be female off a Mother female plant, there is the chance of males in the mix, that's nature.
Are Males worthless? Well depends. Some males arw good when smoked after plucking 100s seeds. However not most people's cup of tea for use.
Longer the male stays alive less females you'll have within 1m. Soon as ya see Male sex at node 6 - 7 toss them is the best cure if your not breeding.

 

[8Rhizome8]

What's unique about the situation? That a feminized plant threw boy parts? I don't think of that as being particularly uncommon, but maybe I'm missing something in your description.

It's quite innocent, really.
I have seen regular's pop a single male nanner and self pollinate with all female offspring.
I have seen unisex expressions within my Thai lines that are both hermaphrodite AND females with male expressions(two different things, there).
What I am "green" to experiencing is a Feminized plant(grown from Feminized seed); that produced a sin gel male flower. Having read the Hardy-Weinberg Model of Genetic Equilibrium in its entirety? I was baffled as to what direction the offspring will go. If this is remedial to you? Then you are clearly farther ahead in your cannabis education than I. I've seen every reversal but a Feminized reversal. Perhaps this is more common than I ever imagined? I am new to the concept of a Feminized plant popping nanners and pollinating the whole herd.

I dunno. It might be more common than I ever thought. You've obviously seen it and know.

 

[davil420]

A male will pollinate with in 1 mile of itself, any Females within 1 mile get a smidgen of pollen from male will hermi.
No such thing as a Feminized female seed turning growing male. Means wasn't feminized properly. Question the company it came from or person.
Not all seeds will be female off a Mother female plant, there is the chance of males in the mix, that's nature.
Are Males worthless? Well depends. Some males arw good when smoked after plucking 100s seeds. However not most people's cup of tea for use.
Longer the male stays alive less females you'll have within 1m. Soon as ya see Male sex at node 6 - 7 toss them is the best cure if your not breeding.

* not all seeds will be female off a Male plant*** spell error

 

[8Rhizome8]

A male will pollinate with in 1 mile of itself, any Females within 1 mile get a smidgen of pollen from male will hermi.
No such thing as a Feminized female seed turning growing male. Means wasn't feminized properly. Question the company it came from or person.
Not all seeds will be female off a Mother female plant, there is the chance of males in the mix, that's nature.
Are Males worthless? Well depends. Some males arw good when smoked after plucking 100s seeds. However not most people's cup of tea for use.
Longer the male stays alive less females you'll have within 1m. Soon as ya see Male sex at node 6 - 7 toss them is the best cure if your not breeding.

Precisely.
in this case now I am breeding mostly for case study purposes on this line.
Reversed pollen is in a category of its own. Is it not? I am new to seeing a feminized plant pop nanners. Just because it's new to me doesn't imply that it isn't common knowledge to others.

 

[ArtfulCodger]

I dunno. It might be more common than I ever thought. You've obviously seen it and know.

I'm not claiming any deep knowledge. Just that having been active in this and other canna communities, I've seen a lot of nanners and pollen sacs on plants that were grown from feminized seeds.

 

[8Rhizome8]

I'm not claiming any deep knowledge. Just that having been active in this and other canna communities, I've seen a lot of nanners and pollen sacs on plants that were grown from feminized seeds.

Good! I feel like that talking plant in Shop of Horrors... FEED ME SEYMOUR!!!
Feed me your knowledge. Thank you for your input.

 

[davil420]

Precisely.
in this case now I am breeding mostly for case study purposes on this line.
Reversed pollen is in a category of its own. Is it not? I am new to seeing a feminized plant pop nanners. Just because it's new to me doesn't imply that it isn't common knowledge to others.

Ok, so you have a Male by female hermaphrodite genetics, the seed was a Feminized seed to start, female now showing male and your wanting to known if the offspring of those seeds will be viable females? Males? Unless you Feminize the plants producing those seeds there is no 100% garuntee of a Feminized female seeds off the plant by Genetic science engineering on a natural level as this is. You can Feminize the plants yourself to increase the garuntee genetics of female yes, but from my experience without Feminizing the Males you will have a mix sex seed offspring. There is no way to tell if a seed will be Female or male ever not untill node 6-7 to pre flower stage Feminizing increases the chances of females but still only at 99%. 3 ways to do this is There are three main methods for feminizing cannabis seeds. The rodelization method, chemical treatment, and colloidal silver. Choice is yours and good luck.
Davil420

 

[davil420]

I'm not claiming any deep knowledge. Just that having been active in this and other canna communities, I've seen a lot of nanners and pollen sacs on plants that were grown from feminized seeds.

I totally agree with you, I have had a Girlscout cookie last year turn hermi week 6 flower outdoors, and the seeds I did have grew male. So tossed the rest.
I've had purchased seeds from a company of Garunteed Feminized Autos and had 2 males.. its always possible to have flaws. Nothing is 100% in nature lol

 

[Florida_Mike]

A male will pollinate with in 1 mile of itself, any Females within 1 mile get a smidgen of pollen from male will hermi.
No such thing as a Feminized female seed turning growing male. Means wasn't feminized properly. Question the company it came from or person.
Not all seeds will be female off a Mother female plant, there is the chance of males in the mix, that's nature.
Are Males worthless? Well depends. Some males arw good when smoked after plucking 100s seeds. However not most people's cup of tea for use.
Longer the male stays alive less females you'll have within 1m. Soon as ya see Male sex at node 6 - 7 toss them is the best cure if your not breeding.

"Some males arw good when smoked after plucking 100s seeds" hmmmm? what's wrong with this quote? asking for a friend...