Indoor/Happy Frog: Fungus Alternaria Maybe

[BeefyBully]

Well I’ve never had a fungal infection from gnats So yes they may carry fungas however it’s unlikely that it will cause a fungal infection

The larva munch on the roots

The black spots your seeing with the scope is either dust or the flying gnats poop

It’s no biggie either get some nematodes,dreach the soil with need oil/get some neem cakes, or use mosquito dunks or another version of bti
Various ways to kill of the infection

I don’t recommend sulphur not with cannabis for various reasons

Well going down the rabbit hole in my research I’ve looked over everything here, asked around locally and visited you-tube for debunking and more research.
This is what I came up with ..
I ended up getting the captain jack’s neem spray ready to use and some Bliss Neem cake in powder form.

As for the dark spots on my leaf it’s definitely a fungus so neem will take care of that ..
Thanks
BB

 

[BeefyBully]

I was mulling this over firstly sry @C0pperh3ad I think I was on my hobby house this morning anyway I’ve climbed down now and yeah, red face faced apology

With that out the way two years ago I had a neighbour stored dead mice outside my grow room window. That & they had a thing for feeding pigeons so much so I would wake up to a crowd of 20 ( no exaggeration ) pigeons on the gutter above my grow room window.

Pigeons crap is full of mites & they love the smell of rotten matter

In the summer at that time I had to keep that window open being organic my soil was a very attractive home for the mites.

I had a year long battle with them trying et all from d.earth to bti & anything in between.

The most effective was the nematodes hence why I always recommended them over other ways.

I’ve very much doubt you’ve got any other fungal infections or viral infections that you’ve mentioned in your post

I think you’re just seeing adult gnat poop

Btw have you other pics more recent than the ones in your profile

Yes the nematodes was an option but it didn’t get picked for this issue..
Remember this grow was a set up or a test shot from bag seed, OG Kush and Baby Yoda was merely to set up grow gear. I’ve grown before but new to Cana, grew some jalapeños in DWC worked out well..
Propped Mid DEC, they almost read to flip to flower once i get enough main colas, figure about another 3 weeks and they’ll be ready, trying to keep them short for the flower stretch..
Thanks
BB

 

[BeefyBully]

And for everyone’s knowledge, neem cake smells like chicken terryukky

 

[BeefyBully]

There was a leaf that was a bit worse that had gotten defoiled. That one had spots on it , scopped it and it looked like a swash of fungus in different places ..
The leaf in the pic is the remnant ..we’ll see how the neem works out ..

 

[Gmix]

As for the dark spots on my leaf it’s definitely a fungus so neem will take care of that ..
Thanks
BB

You tubes a sess pit of information
These guys don’t show there fuck ups & showcase what your seeing with filters.

I think your getting confused
Neem oil was advised by @Galgrows for the soil
To kill the larvae not for fungas

I don’t mind what you use it’s your grow so no bias.

Neem oil won’t take care of fungus & you have zero other reason to use it on the leaves.
It will make any leaves you put it on un-smokeable as it leaves a foul taste that can’t be washed off

That aside I can’t see any fungal infection
I really don’t think you understand enough without be rude a fungal infection would be very visible

it’s up to you if your hearts says you’ve got a viral infection I can’t do anything but I tried

 

[Gmix]

I’ll take one more stab at telling you don’t have a fungal infection

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If you did as said neem oil won’t correct it you’d have to use different things there’s little point in listing what you’d have to do as you don’t have a fungal problem.

Bud my mentors were sub cool & the like I know what I’m talking about

 

[Oldchucky]

I thought Mosquito bits were they go to for fungus gnat larvae. Other than letting the soil dry out!

 

[Gmix]

I thought Mosquito bits were they go to for fungus gnat larvae.

I hear good things about them as it’s basically bti it’s not going to harm the plant.

The ones on eBay ( uk ) are a hit & miss.
some I tried had no effect i think they were cheep as they probably had min bti in them or where old stock

 

[BeefyBully]

You tubes a sess pit of information
These guys don’t show there fuck ups & showcase what your seeing with filters.

I think your getting confused
Neem oil was advised by @Galgrows for the soil
To kill the larvae not for fungas

I don’t mind what you use it’s your grow so no bias.

Neem oil won’t take care of fungus & you have zero other reason to use it on the leaves.
It will make any leaves you put it on un-smokeable as it leaves a foul taste that can’t be washed off

That aside I can’t see any fungal infection
I really don’t think you understand enough without be rude a fungal infection would be very visible

it’s up to you if your hearts says you’ve got a viral infection I can’t do anything but I tried

Yes yes and yes, note all the foliage that had any damage was cut off.. you not going to see with the naked eye. And if it’s not fungus thats fine, I’ll still take one issue at a time and re-visit at a later time .. first the nats then the black spots.
And thanks for chiming in.
BB

 

[BeefyBully]

Yea there is a lot of mess out there but lucky for me i have time to research and be proactive instead of reactive, (yes?) but i thank everyone for the help
BB

 

[BeefyBully]

Ok, good morning, here is the update to what was done and the way forward.
- fungus nats: when the feed reproduce etc they do bring a fungus but not the fungus I was talking about.
- Black spots: is a fungus, it is more noticeable on tomatoes when the fruits turn with black spots
- @Gmix had mentioned there was no issue, I had to believe him and research further. (By research i mean stare at them) and figgure out what i saw and how it got there.

- first, took the neem cake in powder form and scratched in 3 tablespoons spoons per 3gal cloth pot into the soil. It was still kind of moist from the weekly watering so just left it alone , didn’t water it in since soil was a still moist. Replaced sticky traps. The neem oil spray is a 3-1 for insects fungus and miticide so i gave the foliage on both plants a trial misting to set up the spray. Don’t want to use the stream option.
Results were excellent, still have one or two buzzing around but they will soon meet their demise.
Next , at the next watering they will get another scratch of cake each followed by the MOSQ BITS (might not need) the following week. That should do the trick, after that followed up with the LALstop K61, @cooperhead posted here the LALstop G46 i think both are good.
Since I don’t plan on smoking leaf not really worried about spraying foliage and will stop long before going into flower. By then the LALstop K61 will be ready to use and will consider the flower flip.
Question here is has anyone ever used LALstop k61 and how where the results.

Black Spots: For the leafs, as they unwind and grow they grow clumped and cramped, I guess that will soon fade or not happen again. As other leaves grow and rest on others they create touching shadowing maybe create an environment for fungus when they touch like that.

What was done: remove the effective foliage and discard.
Monitor the issue, if it returns use the 3–1 CPT Jacks neem oil spray.
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Next issue:
A little tan-ish on the tips and and blistering “Baby Yoda”.. made the correction since it only happened when i added the extra hose for the heater over night, might have been pointed at the oscillating fan. Enclosed are some pics to illustrate how the plant might be doing. Might also be its chowing down a little faster than anticipated.
PAR roughly 600
Height roughly 12”

OG K: doing great, nice green leaf, needs another 2 sites per, no concerns at this time. (No pics)

Would like to start watering from the bottom with a tray or saucer, I’ve seen the auto pots with the wick and I’m not feeling the roots attaching to the wick its self. Then elevate as to get air underneath. Not sure what they are called otherwise I’m gonna have to home rig.

Thanks for all the input, thanks for reading
BB

 

[BeefyBully]

There was a leaf that was a bit worse that had gotten defoiled. That one had spots on it , scopped it and it looked like a swash of fungus in different places ..
The leaf in the pic is the remnant ..we’ll see how the neem works out ..

The tears in the leaf in various places are from the training. I need to train myself before i can train these plants, pinching and bending, needs practice.

 

[Oldchucky]

Be sure the black spots aren’t thrip poop! Thrips should be pretty easy to spot!

 

[BeefyBully]

Be sure the black spots aren’t thrip poop! Thrips should be pretty easy to spot!

Thrips? Aren’t they a soft type critter ? What do they like? What do they attack?

Research thrips..(more to follow)

No i don’t think it was poop. There was a pic on the internet of what that looks like but was on a tomato leaf instead and severe. What i saw was under the scope might have been a scare and freaked out. All I can do is be ready and monitor. Would like all to be all sorted out before going into flower.

Don’t want to bring issues into the next phase if that makes sense.

Thanks
BB

 

[BeefyBully]

Note: these Cltvrs are just test shots from bag seed, If they dont make it due to research, set up and TTPs then so be it, the real deal is in these high speed genetics that are on stand by should they fail.

 

[Gmix]

What size are these black dots
From what I understand you could only see them with a microscope

You’d be the first ever grower I met in 45years of growing to get fungi from fungas gnats hence why I am so adamant you haven’t

I think you’ve got “ growers doom “ it’s a phase a lot of growers go through

Still i could be mistaken, I am human and like all humans can be wrong;

so what size are they
Are they black & not dark brown as there’s other reasons for dark spots

If you can only see them with a microscope it’s probably bug poop or dust stuck to the trichs

 

[mancorn]

What size are these black dots
From what I understand you could only see them with a microscope

You’d be the first ever grower I met in 45years of growing to get fungi from fungas gnats hence why I am so adamant you haven’t

I think you’ve got “ growers doom “ it’s a phase a lot of growers go through

Still i could be mistaken, I am human and like all humans can be wrong;

so what size are they
Are they black & not dark brown as there’s other reasons for dark spots

If you can only see them with a microscope it’s probably bug poop or dust stuck to the trichs

“Growers doom”

Thrip poop looks more like PM but black. Kind of like soot.

 

[BeefyBully]

Ah .. ok.. kinda looked like this in its early stages. There was a small amount of decaying around the areas suspected.
Imagine these spots in its early stages , it would be black and because it was early it was on a few leaves. Those leaves are gone now.

So poop , I say maybe.. I think it might have been from a watering maybe a splash or two ..

So due to these issues, the fungus nats, the leaf etc. might be from my practices.. I’ve never grown cannabis before so everything from set up, genetics practices is stimulating for me, just like the jalppenos in a DWC..

This pic is not the actual and is only a pic to illustrate the spots

 

[BeefyBully]

Growers doom ? Is that a thing ?
I think it might be Growers stare, look at something long enough you tend to believe it’s true.

Thanks for reading
BB

 

[Oldchucky]

Probably not poop! Poop is just tiny little black specs! Left by tiny little bugs, but the bugs are big enough to see with the naked eye! And will be under the leaf! Mostly!