Cpurola's Outdoor grow in Southeast Michigan 2025

[Like2Grow]

Update on the Septoria issue. One of the plants in the extras is already having a hard time with it and did last year too.
I think I'm gonna take her down now to help slow the spread to the others. First pic is the top. She'll never last two more months. And yes I have sprayed her and all the others.

You've got too many nice plants to keep the weak ones that take the strong down. Be ruthless !!!

 

[cpurola]

You've got too many nice plants to keep the weak ones that take the strong down. Be ruthless !!!

I know, but it's Angel '98 from Lucky13. She's a beautiful plant. Strong thick stalk and huge leaves, was so hoping to get her to the finish line this year. Oh, well.
Beginning to think this disease is going to turn me into an indoor grower.

 

[Oldchucky]

Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like you’re doing a little better than you did last year! Not quite the carnage yet this year! I wouldn’t blame you for going inside! But I don’t know if you have the temperament for it! I sure don’t!

 

[Greg_Midi]

Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like you’re doing a little better than you did last year! Not quite the carnage yet this year! I wouldn’t blame you for going inside! But I don’t know if you have the temperament for it! I sure don’t!

Why not do some of both?

 

[poozgrowz]

More bad news. TOGYK's Psychedelic Banjo was attacked by something.
Corn earworm, another borer, don't know, but the whole top of the stalk is limp above the hole.

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More bad news. TOGYK's Psychedelic Banjo was attacked by something.
Corn earworm, another borer, don't know, but the whole top of the stalk is limp above the h

More bad news. TOGYK's Psychedelic Banjo was attacked by something.
Corn earworm, another borer, don't know, but the whole top of the stalk is limp above the hole.

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[poozgrowz]

Man, when I saw your post on the droopy bent over tops... I'm That's what 1 of mine looked like today!!! All of the tips were doing that & didn't stand up after a drink I can't wait till daylight to go look at the stem!! I wondered all day wth this meant. Lol. I was looking at the leaves Not the stem. Dang, thanks so much for your post and picture of this problem.

 

[GNick55]

Man, when I saw your post on the droopy bent over tops... I'm That's what 1 of mine looked like today!!! All of the tips were doing that & didn't stand up after a drink I can't wait till daylight to go look at the stem!! I wondered all day wth this meant. Lol. I was looking at the leaves Not the stem. Dang, thanks so much for your post and picture of this problem.

could also be fusarium wilt,..

 

[poozgrowz]

could also be fusarium wilt,..

I will be looking that info up!! Thanks so much!!

 

[Like2Grow]

I know, but it's Angel '98 from Lucky13. She's a beautiful plant. Strong thick stalk and huge leaves, was so hoping to get her to the finish line this year. Oh, well.
Beginning to think this disease is going to turn me into an indoor grower.

I usually pop a couple inside during the winter just because I still like to grow. Get a nice carbon filter when you're setting up and look for less smelly strains. The skunk that's out in the yard now I wouldn't want in the house.

Indoors you won't get the big plants like outside and I usually like 2 plants max so the house stinks less. There are plants you could grow inside that you'll never get anything from in the outdoors where you live. A lot of problems would disappear for you for sure but you introduce a new problem if half your house becomes plants. Your big problem isn't likely to be what the plants are doing. Soooo many strains ;-).

 

[cpurola]

Made an observation yesterday.
My theory is that the spores of Septoria are airborne from the nearby hedgerow.
Both the extras and the '12' are in the back acre have it already and I've stripped so many leaves.

These are ultra extras that just barely made it into some 5 gallon, half filled pots. Very very little signs of disease.
Theory: House, garage, greenhouse and a big Norway maple in front of the house are blocking the wind driven spores from the hedgerow.

House and hedgerow

Back acre and hedgerow. The autos next to the garage have also NOT been infected.

Ultra extras, seemingly not affected by Septoria

 

[cpurola]

Looking at the pic, it might seem like the Larch tree could be at fault.
But the extras have it worse than the 12, so I would think not.

Oh, and in the summer we get winds from the south (greenhouse side) and west (from front of house towards the back).

 

[Justlovetogrow]

Looking at the pic, it might seem like the Larch tree could be at fault.
But the extras have it worse than the 12, so I would think not.

Oh, and in the summer we get winds from the south (greenhouse side) and west (from front of house towards the back).

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Spewing for ya was really hoping after last year the canna gods would smile on ya this year ahwell at least you have a shitload of plants surely a few of em will be resistant to the dreaded septoria well I hope so for your sake you put a lot of effort in and normally in life if you put the effort in you get rewarded

 

[Like2Grow]

Made an observation yesterday.
My theory is that the spores of Septoria are airborne from the nearby hedgerow.
Both the extras and the '12' are in the back acre have it already and I've stripped so many leaves.

These are ultra extras that just barely made it into some 5 gallon, half filled pots. Very very little signs of disease.
Theory: House, garage, greenhouse and a big Norway maple in front of the house are blocking the wind driven spores from the hedgerow.

As you've already mentioned the grass gets septoria under affected plants too. So let's go with airborne and waterborne. Water flows so anything in the ground could get hit. Using pots instead of in the ground takes away most ground water problems. And you're figuring out the airborne.

Would a solid fence in an L shape provide protection for septoria, high winds, and be a support to tie plants to ? I wouldn't start with anything 50 feet long to test. It might be worth putting in a few sections though.

 

[cpurola]

As you've already mentioned the grass gets septoria under affected plants too. So let's go with airborne and waterborne. Water flows so anything in the ground could get hit. Using pots instead of in the ground takes away most ground water problems. And you're figuring out the airborne.

Would a solid fence in an L shape provide protection for septoria, high winds, and be a support to tie plants to ? I wouldn't start with anything 50 feet long to test. It might be worth putting in a few sections though.

Thanks for the suggestion. I think the only sure way would be a very large hoop house like 1diesel1 has and that ain't happenin'.
Going out to spray again. We had a brief, 10 min. shower yesterday that of course washed all the bio-fungicides off.

 

[Like2Grow]

Thanks for the suggestion. I think the only sure way would be a very large hoop house like 1diesel1 has and that ain't happenin'.
Going out to spray again. We had a brief, 10 min. shower yesterday that of course washed all the bio-fungicides off.

I have a smaller hoop house and it creates an artificial environment that makes work, especially with heat and humidity. The big hoop house would be different but that's not happening here either.

Where I live we don't even have a 10 minute shower in the forecast for a while and 80's and even low 90's coming up which the plants will love. Plants are getting buckets of water every day now.

 

[Oldchucky]

I suppose dragging your most beloved over into the lee of the structures isn’t practical either! You made a good observation! Now you have to figure out how to build on it!

 

[cpurola]

Spewing for ya was really hoping after last year the canna gods would smile on ya this year ahwell at least you have a shitload of plants surely a few of em will be resistant to the dreaded septoria well I hope so for your sake you put a lot of effort in and normally in life if you put the effort in you get rewarded

Thanks much, appreciate it. Just trying to figure it all out. When ya only got one grow, each summer, it takes a long time. LOL

 

[BearWater]

Thanks for the suggestion. I think the only sure way would be a very large hoop house like 1diesel1 has and that ain't happenin'.
Going out to spray again. We had a brief, 10 min. shower yesterday that of course washed all the bio-fungicides off.

Hey C you can make some really affordable hoop structures! Single row type thing. Let me know if you want any tips or whatever : ) this was standard up on the big hill or your plants would be water logged wind whipped blown away down the hill in some of the storms that come through that area!

PVC, rebar for the ground stakes, and some 6mil or thicker clear plastic, and the orange handle spring clip things! It’s something you build during the summer and then apply as needed towards the later part!

 

[cpurola]

Hey C you can make some really affordable hoop structures! Single row type thing. Let me know if you want any tips or whatever : ) this was standard up on the big hill or your plants would be water logged wind whipped blown away down the hill in some of the storms that come through that area!

PVC, rebar for the ground stakes, and some 6mil or thicker clear plastic, and the orange handle spring clip things! It’s something you build during the summer and then apply as needed towards the later part!

Thanks Bear.
Maybe I'll put the tomatoes in the back and the weed in the flower bed. LOL
If I really needed the weed, I'd set one up in a minute, but after all, I give most away.
And yes, the winds whip up something fierce in late summer, early fall.

 

[Beazy]

You were 100% correct on the the asian beetles being the culprits of demolishing our zinnias and peppers. Just beer flashlighted and those lil’ mofos are THICK !!! I gave a bunch of em a good headache with a precise flick to their forehead but they were flying in faster than I could flick em these are reddish brown the other ones I was talking about were metallic green. Is neem or capt Jacks dead bug effective on em ??