2010 Tax, Regulate and Control Poll

[danko]

"I know your a med patient/provider, I was implying if you were a non-med user would you still abandon your breeding projects and mothers, or just try to confine them to a 5x5 area?"

SO YOUR ASKING HIM, IF HE WAS AN ILLEGAL POT GROWER, WOULD HE THEN TOSS OUT HIS ILLEGAL PLANTS IF THIS BILL PASSES? GOOD QUESTION.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A REAL POINT. SLAM ME ALL YOU WANT DUDE. I GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK. THE FACT IS I HAVE PROVIDED PROOF FOR EVERY CLAIM IVE MADE AND YOU HAVE SHOW SHIT. EXCEPT SOME MUD SLINGING SKILLS.

OGR ASKED YOU A QUESTION. CAN YOU AT LEAST GIVE THE MAN A DECENT ANSWER?

 

[ograskal]

Well to tell you the truth if i wasnt protected by PROP 215 I probably wouldnt be doing any of this at all.....My wife definately wouldnt let me thats for sure...But if PROP 215 never existed in the first place and this Bill came up, I definately would vote yes for sure that way i could grow my own and smoke for free...~ogr

 

[kushpheen]

kushpheen, if this law passes wont you be able to keep doing what your doin since your are protected under prop 215?...or will this change thingz for you?...Just trying to understand why your so against it....I could really care less if it passes or not tell you the truth....As long as it doesnt fuck with our med laws I aint really trippin...~ogr

Absolutely, I will continue my work just as you. I'm against this initiative for the simple reason that I believe cannabis should remain untaxed and free for everyone to possess and cultivate, not for those who are lucky enough to obtain licenses or for those with medical recommendations. I believe the limits placed in this bill are far too restrictive and vaguely worded which will allow LEO to continue arresting and fining cannabis users and cultivators. I don't need nor do I desire the governments approval to tell me when, where and how I can grow plants.

 

[southstreets]

before the supreme court struck down the med users limitaions on plants and how much you could posess thats what you and me were doing.. Going by our counties limitations on how many plants your could grow and how much you could have at 1 time.. your acting like there gunna go around every couple days and measure EVERYONES grow area..

 

[kushpheen]

Let me clarify the question for you, and this question is for you ogr not danko to chime in with more insults.

If this bill passes and you weren't protected by prop 215, would you abandon all your breeding projects and mothers to confine your grow room to 25sqft or would you attempt to obtain a commercial cultivation permit? If you were rejected for that license, what would you do then? Go back to being a med provider probably right? But what if all your patients and collective members choose to purchase mass produced cannabis and you no longer had any patients or members to provide for? Or would you just seek employment from a giant agri-corp company as their in-house breeder?

 

[ograskal]

Let me clarify the question for you, and this question is for you ogr not danko to chime in with more insults.

If this bill passes and you weren't protected by prop 215, would you abandon all your breeding projects and mothers to confine your grow room to 25sqft or would you attempt to obtain a commercial cultivation permit? If you were rejected for that license, what would you do then? Go back to being a med provider probably right? But what if all your patients and collective members choose to purchase mass produced cannabis and you no longer had any patients or members to provide for?

Well first off i would never vote for anything that would do away with our med laws....And if somehow a bill passed that did do away with med laws then yes i would only grow in a 5x5 area at home...I wouldnt put my family at risk by trying to grow bigger in my house..I would probably convince my littlest brother and older sister to also let me grow in there house as well and that would give me all the space i needed....I'm not growing in that much space right now as it is so i would be able to somehow work it out withought putting my family at risk...I dont grow commercially or vend to clubs or even sell weed...I grow for myself, My wife, and my mother inlaw and her boyfriend and i give it to them for free....But this is all a big what if right?...This bill isnt suppose to mess with our med laws....~ogr

 

[danko]

Absolutely, I will continue my work just as you. #1 I'm against this initiative for the simple reason that I believe cannabis should remain untaxed and free for everyone to possess and cultivate,#2 not for those who are lucky enough to obtain licenses or for those with medical recommendations.#3 I believe the limits placed in this bill are far too restrictive and vaguely worded which will allow LEO to continue arresting and fining cannabis users and cultivators. #4 I don't need nor do I desire the governments approval to tell me when, where and how I can grow plants.

HOW IS THIS POST WRONG, LET ME COUNT THE WAYS... 1,2,3,4. THIS POST IS WRONG IN 4 MAJOR WAYS. GOOD JOB FOR SUCH A SHORT PARAGRAPH.

#1. "I'm against this initiative for the simple reason that I believe cannabis should remain untaxed and free for everyone to possess and cultivate"

-THEN VOTE YES. THEN ANYONE OVER 21 COULD GROW THERE OWN AND NEVER HAVE TO BUY FROM ANYONE EVER AGAIN!!! AND NEVER HAVE TO PAY A SINGLE CENT ON THE HERB THEY GROW. JUST KEEP IT IN A 5X5 IS ALL THEY ASK. AND DONT TAKE MORE THEN AN OUNCE OUTSIDE.

#2. not for those who are lucky enough to obtain licenses or for those with medical recommendations" IN REGARDS TO GROWING...

- THEN VOTE YES. READ MY POINT ABOVE. (I GUESS THAT COULD HAVE ALL BEEN #1 BUT...OH WELL)

#3 " I believe the limits placed in this bill are far too restrictive and vaguely worded which will allow LEO to continue arresting and fining cannabis users and cultivators".

-WHATS VAGUE ABOUT GROWING ALL YOU WANT IN A 5X5 AREA AND KEEPING EVERYTHING PRODUCED FROM THAT GROW? READ IT AGIAN YOULL GET IT ONE OF THESE TIMES. DO I NEED TO ATTACH IT AND HIGHLIGHT IT AND SPOON FEED YOU THIS INFO FOR THE 48TH TIME???

#4 "I don't need nor do I desire the governments approval to tell me when, where and how I can grow plants."

-THIS ONE IS MY FAVORITE. WELL SIR ARNT YOU PROTECTED UNDER 215 AND 420? SO YES YOU DO NEED THE GOVERNMENTS APPROVAL, IF YOU DIDNT HAVE THE GOVERNMENTS APPROVAL YOU WOULD BE PARANOID AS FUCK WONDERING WHEN THE DOOR IS GONNA GET KICKED DOWN. ALSO THEY (THE GOVT) TELL YOU WHERE WHERE YOU CAN GROW, AND HOW LARGE A PLACE YOU CAN USE TO GROW. DONT YOU HAVE A CANOPY LAW IN SANTA CRUZ??? THIS IS BY FAR YOUR BEST PERFORMANCE TO DATE. THANKS KUSHPHEEN.

 

[ograskal]

One thing i would like to know is who qualifies for a commercial license to grow?....everyone?....and how much would they cost? How would you go about getting one?

 

[danko]

Thats tbd in your local community. Basically the exact same way medical herb was dealt with at the beginning.

 

[danko]

There is no model so we are pretty much all winging it locally....a good model will eventually come out and people will start using that model.

 

[kushpheen]

It doesn't have to mess with the med laws to have a deeper effect on the medical marijuana economy. Growers who currently provide medicine for their collectives and dispensaries are the people this bill will directly affect. Your not one of them, therefore your indifferent to their concerns.

So you admit 5x5 isn't enough space for you to be able to breed and experiment in. Using everyone else's house you know or are related to in order to achieve the necessary space capable of accommodating your projects seems rather exhausting. Will you personally be traveling to each of their houses to maintain these plants or will you train and trust them to care for them?

So you have no plans of expanding your ogr brand and cultivating commercially should this bill pass?

 

[danko]

"It doesn't have to mess with the med laws to have a deeper effect on the medical marijuana economy. Growers who currently provide medicine for their collectives and dispensaries are the people this bill will directly affect. Your not one of them, therefore your indifferent to their concerns."

IM NOT? OH THANKS FOR TELLING ME THAT. I THOUGHT THAT 2 CAR GARAGE FULL OF WEED WAS JUST ALL PERSONAL. HOW WOULD I GET BY WITHOUT YOU KUSHPHEEN?

FYI, US GROWERS WHO INVESTED HELLA CASH AND TIME TO PROVIDE FOR MEDI PATIENTS MIGHT JUST WANT TO ABLE TO FORM A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS AS SOME POINT.

 

[ograskal]

It doesn't have to mess with the med laws to have a deeper effect on the medical marijuana economy. Growers who currently provide medicine for their collectives and dispensaries are the people this bill will directly affect. Your not one of them, therefore your indifferent to their concerns.

So you admit 5x5 isn't enough space for you to be able to breed and experiment in. Using everyone else's house you know or are related to in order to achieve the necessary space capable of accommodating your projects seems rather exhausting. Will you personally be traveling to each of their houses to maintain these plants or will you train and trust them to care for them?

So you have no plans of expanding your ogr brand and cultivating commercially should this bill pass?

Well my brother and sister live across the street from eachother which is just down the block from me so it really wouldnt be too much of a hassle..You know you gotta do what you gotta due to support the family and if its a little more work for me then so be it...And no I dont have any plans on expanding or cultivating commercially should this BILL pass....Just gonna keep doin what I'm doing....

I have friends that grow commercially and vend to clubs and if this Bill is gonna somehow affect them and hurt them in any way then I am defintely gonna vote No on it..I definately dont want to contribute to taking food away from any of them.....I'm just trying to understand what this BILL is all about and how it will affect everyone...Havent really talked to any of the homies about it really but i will soon to see how they feel about it.....Like i said befoer this bill will benefit some and probably hurt others...I'm definately not into hurtin others though...~ogr

 

[kushpheen]

- The majority of cannabis consumers are unable to cultivate themselves because they lack the space, resources or knowledge to do so. They will continue to be consumers.

-Those of us who have been dealing with our local governments for more than 2 months know how hard growers and patients have had to fight with local governments to set reasonable standards for possession and cultivation limits. Luckily the supreme decided these people don't have the authority to regulate these conditions. Unfortunately if this bill passes, the same people who have fought to limit these amounts will be granted the privilege of regulating and controlling local cannabis commerce.

I, like many other people here, were growing long before prop 215 came into effect. I didn't just jump on the prop 215 bandwagon because I realized I could financially benefit from it, like so many others. My passion for cannabis cultivation wasn't created through prop 215 and would exist regardless of any of these laws.

 

[danko]

well my brother and sister live across the street from eachother which is just down the block from me so it really wouldnt be too much of a hassle..you know you gotta do what you gotta due to support the family and if its a little more work for me then so be it...and no i dont have any plans on expanding or cultivating commercially should this bill pass....just gonna keep doin what i'm doing....

I have friends that grow commercially and vend to clubs and if this bill is gonna somehow affect them and hurt them in any way then i am defintely gonna vote no on it..i definately dont want to contribute to taking food away from any of them.....i'm just trying to understand what this bill is all about and how it will affect everyone...havent really talked to any of the homies about it really but i will soon to see how they feel about it.....like i said befoer this bill will benefit some and probably hurt others...i'm definately not into hurtin others though...~ogr

just be prepared to inform them the truth. Im sure they have herd all the conspiracy crap about rich lee, and how corporations will take over, and how everygrow will be restricted to 5x5 and every grower only gets one ounce to keep. And
all the other untruths that are spreading about this bill.

I want to here how they feel about it most of all. But without the facts, no one will win.

 

[danko]

- the majority of cannabis consumers are unable to cultivate themselves because they lack the space, resources or knowledge to do so. They will continue to be consumers.

-those of us who have been dealing with our local governments for more than 2 months know how hard growers and patients have had to fight with local governments to set reasonable standards for possession and cultivation limits. Luckily the supreme decided these people don't have the authority to regulate these conditions. unfortunately if this bill passes, the same people who have fought to limit these amounts will be granted the privilege of regulating and controlling local cannabis commerce.

i, like many other people here, were growing long before prop 215 came into effect. I didn't just jump on the prop 215 bandwagon because i realized i could financially benefit from it, like so many others. My passion for cannabis cultivation wasn't created through prop 215 and would exist regardless of any of these laws.

yeah, local cannabis commerce!!! We dont have that now. We have non profit medi weed. How many times do i have to point out that this bill will not regulate medical marjuana under 215 and 420.

 

[danko]

It just creats and expands commercial devolopment. AND EXPANDS RIGHTS TO THOSE 21 AND UP WITHOUT MEDICAL CONDITIONS TO POSSES, GROW AND SMOKE WITHOUT CRIMINAL OR CIVIL CHARGES.

 

[danko]

Originally Posted by kushpheen
- the majority of cannabis consumers are unable to cultivate themselves because they lack the space, resources or knowledge to do so. They will continue to be consumers.

THE MAJORITY OF CANNABIS CONSUMERS ARE BREAKING THE LAW RIGHT NOW!!! THE MAJORITY ARE NOT MEDICAL PATIENTS WITH CARDS DUDE. WITH OUT THIS BILL THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE TREATED AS CRIMINALS FOR ENJOYING THE SAME HERBS WE GROW, AND SMOKE FOR MEDICAL AND RECREATION REASONS.

YOU OBVIOUSLY CARE LESS ABOUT THE CANNABIS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU GOT. EVEN THOUGH NOTHING YOU HAVE GOING FOR YOU RIGHT NOW WILL BE COMPRIMISED.

 

[kushpheen]

Its nice to have family members close by that are able to help you with your passion and business. Unfortunately, that's not the case for many of us. I only have a handful of ogr and cali-connect strains and I would hate to be put in the position where I had to choose which ones could fit in a 5x5 area if I were a non-med grower.

Patients and dispensaries have great political clout, but the same can't be said for growers, who lack any sort of organized entity lobbying on their behalf. Please talk with your friends that are vendors, ask them how they feel this initiative will affect them personally and how they think they will be able to adapt to a recreational cannabis economy.

 

[danko]

"Its nice to have family members close by that are able to help you with your passion and business. Unfortunately, that's not the case for many of us. I only have a handful of ogr and cali-connect strains and I would hate to be put in the position where I had to choose which ones could fit in a 5x5 area if I were a non-med grower" kushpheen.



right, cuz the non med users rights are top notch right now when it come to mj. they have none!!! whats all this" what if" shit? thats not the case at all, so stop trying to make it the case.

"what if" you were a non medi grower? than you cant grow shit now, you cant posses shit now, and cant smoke shit now and you cant buy shit now!!!thats "what if" you were a non medi smoker or grower. you have zero rights.

if the bill passes, you could do all those things as a califonia citizen who is over 21. no dr, no license, no fees, no anything. just seeds lights and a 5x5 area and your good to go.