Justiceman's grow: The quest for Resin

[supasticky]

I topped a plant once...on accident lol. The way I look at is, your plant moves growth hormones into the top of the plant, where the new growth is happening. By taking that off, I'm sure the plant diverts what is left of the growth hormones to the rest of the plant, but I don't see how the growth hormones contained in the growth you pulled off can divert to the rest of the plant, you pulled it off. You are right though, I have not attempted topping yet so I cannot do anything but speculate.

-Supa

 

[Shady]

I topped a plant once...on accident lol. The way I look at is, your plant moves growth hormones into the top of the plant, where the new growth is happening. By taking that off, I'm sure the plant diverts what is left of the growth hormones to the rest of the plant, but I don't see how the growth hormones contained in the growth you pulled off can divert to the rest of the plant, you pulled it off. You are right though, I have not attempted topping yet so I cannot do anything but speculate.

-Supa

Its actually in the plants genetic code to determine cellular functions. As I understand it, the hormones are not necessarily confined to the growing tips, but rather they accumulate in them... specifically, in this case the highest tip or apical meristem:

http://www.biologyreference.com/Ma-Mo/Meristems.html​

:cool

 

[supasticky]

I was informed by justice that I sounded as though i was saying that once you pull off these hormones you cant get them back. That is not the truth. I was saying that the plant has built these up and when you pull of the top the plant has to then build the hormones back up to distribute to the plant.

-Supa

 

[Shady]

I was informed by justice that I sounded as though i was saying that once you pull off these hormones you cant get them back. That is not the truth. I was saying that the plant has built these up and when you pull of the top the plant has to then build the hormones back up to distribute to the plant.

-Supa

Yeah I guess I misinterpreted your response, then we're speaking the same language, but you both will realize how easy and effective topping is once you actually do it... Trust me. :D on the other hand not all strains do well or better if topped, but it seems as though many do... :itwasntme

 

[justiceman]

Indeed Shady I mean topping must be around and practiced by many for a reason. It certainly must have its benefits. I think I have just been scared to do it because I'm a newer grower without a lot of exp in that aspect yet. I definitely need to just try it out and see whats up though. It is another aspect of my kidou training I havn't completed apparently;). When I start some beans, and get some other cuts for my veg station I will certainly be topping. It seems like a necessity especially with veg stations consisting of shelving.

It's also said "you can't knock it till you try it"

 

[supasticky]

I will say though that topping does a very good job of bushing out the plant. Training does also though lol

-Supa

 

[justiceman]

I will say though that topping does a very good job of bushing out the plant. Training does also though lol

-Supa

Indeed Supa. As a matter of fact I have some LST girls that are bushing out quite well right now.

Day 21
So I have now hit the 3 week mark of vegetation. I must say that at first the hindu's were going a little slower then other plants I have experienced in the past(or maybe I was just anxious) but they are certainly coming through now. I am really glad they are turning out just fine, because I sure was worried when I started underfeeding them in the beginning. They just got a feeding today and here is what it is. Basically a half dose of everything except I added some Cannazym in the mix and of course humega will always be at full dose.

Feeding (3/30/10)
200ppm cal mag
2.5ml grow
2.5ml amino aide
2.5ml infinity
.5ml grow-n
9ml Cannazym
15ml humega
(citric acid PH Down)
PPM=620
PH: 5.91
Temp:21 Celsius

So I have some unfortunate news concerning my plans for flowering. I gave Sun Pulse a call the other day so that I could go and pick up a 3k 600w lamp, but they told me they were not in stock and they were still waiting for a shipment from overseas. They told me they would not be in stock for at least another 2 weeks(their site says a 3k 600w ships in 4 weeks), so that means that the Hindu skunk flowering will just have to be under the good old 600w Eye Hortilux, however I will buy the 3k as soon as it's available so that I can hopefully use it for Quest 3. I won't lie I am a little disappointed I wasn't able to get the 3k for this round, but that's what I get for not making sure and buying it earlier to be safe. Should have just picked it up when i got my 6.4k:anim_10:

Well anyway here are some pictures for you guys. I hope you like them! The Hindu's sure have grown since last week! I am debating whether I want to flower them now or give them another week of veg.
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day212.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day21-1.jpg
I positioned them so they could all be closer to the center
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day215.jpg
Here is close up of one of the little hindu's
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day211.jpg

 

[matamus]

very nice, nice an clean, im looking forward to seeing how this turns out j-man nice set up

 

[Shady]

Great job on the LST brah! They def love your gentle touch... :giggle

 

[winta]

tie them hoes down justice for the sake of the quest! :) lol

 

[supasticky]

Damn bro they've grown so much since last time I saw them! I need to get over there for a sesh bro! That grandaddy you got is so fire! I was loaded.

-Supa

 

[justiceman]

very nice, nice an clean, im looking forward to seeing how this turns out j-man nice set up

Thanks for stopping by matamus. I hope to not disappoint!

Great job on the LST brah! They def love your gentle touch... :giggle

That I beleive they do shady thanks. I was a little rough with them at certain times:muscle but they responded well to the LST. I am pretty confident in my LST skillz(not really hard to do), but I certainly want to improve my skillz in topping as well.

tie them hoes down justice for the sake of the quest! :) lol

Hell ya winta! i love that wording. All that I do is indeed for the the sake of the quest. It never ends. It only continues. My only aim is to move forward my man.

Damn bro they've grown so much since last time I saw them! I need to get over there for a sesh bro! That grandaddy you got is so fire! I was loaded.

-Supa

Ya man they are looking pretty nice right now. I am just watching them dance in the wind from my fan. Ya when that granddaddy has been jarred for a couple months it will be super prime.

 

[supasticky]

Ya man they are looking pretty nice right now. I am just watching them dance in the wind from my fan. Ya when that granddaddy has been jarred for a couple months it will be super prime.

They are hella even too. perfect canopy.
:volcano:

-Supa

 

[GreenSociety]

nice:afroweed:

 

[supasticky]

OH SHIT! Hes back! fuck yah.

-Supa

 

[justiceman]

They are hella even too. perfect canopy.
:volcano:

-Supa

Thanks dude. Ya that's why I picked 1 strain this time around. I want and even canopy and I am sure it will give me more yield as well that way.

nice:afroweed:

Thanks for stopping by man! Always nice to show the love indeed.

Day 28 Veg(Last Veg Shots)

So The day has come for the Hindu's to go into flowering. As I mentioned earlier do to a lack of availability I won't be able to use the 3k Sun Pulse this time around for flower:doh so I will be using my good old 600w Eye Hortilux for flowering again. I am going to purchase the 3k as soon as its available though so I can use it for the next quest.

I also have another update to the quest witch didn't turn out as favorable as I had thought due to a very foolish mistake concerning measurements. I transplanted into bigger pots about 3 days ago. I had meant to transplant into my 2gal smart pots from my 3.4l pots as mentioned earlier in my journal however when I put the root ball inside one of the SP's I noticed it was sticking up over the edge by about 2-3 inches. I would have been ok with that If their weren't tons of pearly white roots exposed as a result. So I had no choice but to put the smart pots aside for Quest 3 along with the Canna Coco and so I transplanted them into 6l pots. Here is a picture of the pot size comparison. It goes from 6l, 3.4l, and 2gal(7.5l)SP left from right.

http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day2812.jpg

I have some Root shots for ya though!
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Rootshotstransplantday244.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Rootshotstransplantday243.jpg

So here is what I have been feeding them as of late. Pretty basic feedings. I'm excited to see what the Bloom, Big swell, and Peak have to offer in terms of flower production this round. So far I have noticed that the Soul line is quite potent so It should last a decent amount of time.

Feeding (4/2/10)
250ppm cal mag
5ml grow
5ml amino aide
5ml infinity
.75ml grow-n
9ml cannazym
15ml humega
(potassium bicarbonate PH up slight like)
PPM=850
PH: 5.9
Temp:20 Celsius

Feeding/Transplant(4/4/10)
250ppm cal mag
2.5ml grow
2.5ml amino aide
2.5ml infinity
15ml humega
Roots Oregonism xl
(citric acid PH down)
PPM=550
PH: 5.94
Temp: 20 Celsius

Feeding/Flower(4/6/10)
250ppm cal mag
2.5ml grow
5ml bloom
2.5ml amino aide
5ml infinity
5ml big swell
15ml humega
PPM= 750(850 original but diluted with R/O)
PH: 5.92
Temp:20 Celsius

So I just got a new camera recently and I took these last veg shots before flower. I hope you like them!
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day286.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day281.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day288.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day284.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day283.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day289.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day282.jpg

Ah those were the last pictures of the Hindu with 6.4k light. I sure do like that light. I gives off a great spectrum just for looking at the plants, and they sure seemed to respond to it well. Here is a picture with the HPS on.
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Day2811.jpg

 

[mikegreenthumb]

what kinda light is that that you said gives a complet spectrum i got two 400's looking to get a 1000 watt complete spectrum light soon got a 4x3 closet lemme know wats up

plants look awesome got a nice lil system setup there i like it thats the results im looking for similar setup when it all boils down to it the vegging bushy ass plants then flowering em fairly shorter than some people do

 

[justiceman]

what kinda light is that that you said gives a complet spectrum i got two 400's looking to get a 1000 watt complete spectrum light soon got a 4x3 closet lemme know wats up

plants look awesome got a nice lil system setup there i like it thats the results im looking for similar setup when it all boils down to it the vegging bushy ass plants then flowering em fairly shorter than some people do

Hey thanks for stopping by man! The light I am talking about is a 400w 6.4k Sun Pulse PSMH(Pulse Start Metal Halide). I wouldn't say that it is full spectrum as I have heard that 4k is closer to full spectrum lighting. Lucky for you Sun Pulse makes a 4k PSMH.

Have you ever heard of CMH(Ceramic Metal Halide)? I have seen people on other forums use those for veg/flower and claim(with proof) to get good results. Problem is CMH only go up to 400w. So PSMH is the way to go for higher wattage with a good spectrum IMHO.

Sun Pulse makes the following lamps:

3k One can use it for Flower OR If you run a 1 lamp system and don't feel like changing lamps Sun Pulse recommends the 3k for veg and flower. This makes sense considering you can easily veg and flower with an HPS witch is about 2.2k

4k It is used to transition between veg/flower in the first 2 weeks of flower to minimize stretch OR just use through out veg and flower much like the stand alone 3k idea. IMHO since people use 4k CMH for veg and flower it also makes sense that the 4k should be good enough for both as well.

6.4k It is used for vegetation. Great spectrum compared to other MH. They are usually 7200k. 6400k Is closer to day light.

10k It is used as a ripening lamp(sounds funny haha) in the last 2 weeks of Flower. It puts out extra UVA/UVB in order to make the plant produce more resin before it dies. This lamp interests me. I don't know whether it actually works or not. It is probably better to use it in a multiple lamp system because I can't imagine it being good to use it alone for 2 weeks. Seems more like a lighting supplement to me.

I like Sun Pulse because you have different options. You can buy all of the lamps in order to try and get the best possible spectrum at the right time of the plants life but It will set you back some money initially.

OR

You can buy just the 3k or the 4k If you don't want to spend the money and theoretically they should last twice as long as an HPS with a 1 year warranty since Sun Pulse has a 2 year warranty.

Here's a quote from the Sun Pulse thread if you have concerns with pricing.

Here is what I think. Let's say you buy all of the lamps for $145. So 6.4k, 3k, and 10k. That's $435 for 3 lamps. Then you buy 4 hortilux's for $440. Sun pulse has a 2 year warranty and claims that their is little lumen loss and color shift over that period of time especially if kept cool. Hortilux has a 1 year warranty. People usually replace their Hortilux once a year or they blow out prematurely in digi's.

Let's say you do a 21(18/6) day veg and a 70(12/12) day flower for number purposes so you could do 4 runs in 364 days.

The hortilux would have a total of 4872 hours of running time on it if used alone.

Now for the sun pulse running times 6.4k(18/6 veg 21 days) 3k(12/12 flower 56 days) 10k(12/12 flower 14 days) You have to split the 3k and 10k in the flower days because you use the 10k for the last two weeks.

The 6.4k would have 1512 hours. The 3k would have 2688 hours. The 10k would have 672 hours.

So if you ran the sun pulse lamps for the same amount as the hortilux(4872 hours) then the 6.4k theoretically could last you roughly 3 years(4546hours). The 3k would last you roughly 1 year and 9 months(4838 hours). The 10k would last your roughly 7 years and 3 months lol(4872 hours)

So basically the more lamps you buy the time lessens for each lamp you run and it can be used for a longer period of time(well same hours for the lamp but stretched out over a longer time period)

another perspective:

Let's just say you only want to use the 3k witch they recommend for 1 lamp systems. Yes it costs about 35 dollars more per lamp but the warranty is twice as long. If you divide the cost by the warranty that means you would only be paying $72.50 a year instead of $110 a year if you replaced your lamp every 2 years instead of once a year.

I do however agree that if your horti breaks in your digi and you keep on getting fresh lamps I suppose that is cool but the incompatibility could also be stressing out your ballast.

So to me it sounds more like a long term investment that actually ends up being cheaper if you keep track of lamp hours and change them accordingly. Sun pulse warranty guarantees that their lamps run for 17520 hours(24 hours a day 365 days a year for 2 years) with little or no color shift and lumen loss. Hortilux warranty guarantees that their lamps run for 8760 hours(24 hours a day 365 days a year for 1 year) and doesn't not say anything about color shift or lumen loss. Both lamps are suppose to be able to run for 20,000. Interesting how Sun Pulse guarantees practically the whole life of the lamp where Hortilux doesn't even guarantee half.

 

[mikegreenthumb]

Hey thanks for stopping by man! The light I am talking about is a 400w 6.4k Sun Pulse PSMH(Pulse Start Metal Halide). I wouldn't say that it is full spectrum as I have heard that 4k is closer to full spectrum lighting. Lucky for you Sun Pulse makes a 4k PSMH.

Have you ever heard of CMH(Ceramic Metal Halide)? I have seen people on other forums use those for veg/flower and claim(with proof) to get good results. Problem is CMH only go up to 400w. So PSMH is the way to go for higher wattage with a good spectrum IMHO.

Sun Pulse makes the following lamps:

3k One can use it for Flower OR If you run a 1 lamp system and don't feel like changing lamps Sun Pulse recommends the 3k for veg and flower. This makes sense considering you can easily veg and flower with an HPS witch is about 2.2k

4k It is used to transition between veg/flower in the first 2 weeks of flower to minimize stretch OR just use through out veg and flower much like the stand alone 3k idea. IMHO since people use 4k CMH for veg and flower it also makes sense that the 4k should be good enough for both as well.

6.4k It is used for vegetation. Great spectrum compared to other MH. They are usually 7200k. 6400k Is closer to day light.

10k It is used as a ripening lamp(sounds funny haha) in the last 2 weeks of Flower. It puts out extra UVA/UVB in order to make the plant produce more resin before it dies. This lamp interests me. I don't know whether it actually works or not. It is probably better to use it in a multiple lamp system because I can't imagine it being good to use it alone for 2 weeks. Seems more like a lighting supplement to me.

I like Sun Pulse because you have different options. You can buy all of the lamps in order to try and get the best possible spectrum at the right time of the plants life but It will set you back some money initially.

OR

You can buy just the 3k or the 4k If you don't want to spend the money and theoretically they should last twice as long as an HPS with a 1 year warranty since Sun Pulse has a 2 year warranty.

Here's a quote from the Sun Pulse thread if you have concerns with pricing.

went to hydro store today and there talkin 240$ for full spectrum replacement in 1000watter
so ima still with my mh and hps for my full spectrum

thanks for the info thou still considering other options

 

[Shady]

So I just got a new camera recently and I took these last veg shots before flower. I hope you like them!


Ah those were the last pictures of the Hindu with 6.4k light. I sure do like that light. I gives off a great spectrum just for looking at the plants, and they sure seemed to respond to it well. Here is a picture with the HPS on.

Damn fine update bro! Lotsa detail and killer picts... I love the white root shots! Yeah those Smart Pots are awesome cuz they're low profile with a wide stance... Hmmm, I bet that new camera of yours can prob get that last shot with the HPS looking a bit better... If you hold down halfway on the shutter button, you may notice a gradual dimming and brightening of the LCD as the HPS cycles... Take the shot as soon as the LCD is at it's brightest... :cool

BTW, how's the temps in there? Leaf margins are cupping and that v shape reminds me of some high heat shots... :thinking