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ground breaking?, perhaps not, soul crunching, well, but it sure is entertaining, from here a dream come true on levels far exceeding simple or complex botanics, and I really do enjoy the photography, clear, focused, ready for study, and somewhat embarrassingly I've also learnt a word or two, grep for example, and to add to a previous comment, boiled down, there are only two states of mind, love and fear, I'll leave you all to decide which one corresponds to which, personally, I love all here but fear reprimand from less than that all.

to add, my father passed from cigarettes, I was a casual smoker, discovered vapes, never looked back, if you haven't experienced vaping nicotine it exceeds tobacco on every single level in my opinion. And my heart to yours for your brother, my only sibling, a sister two years younger, ended her own life yesterday, it stings like fuck.
So sad to hear bro. My heart goes out to you and to those who knew and loved your sister. I have been surrounded by suicides ever since I was 8 or 9 years old. Whatever you do, try not to over think things and blame yourself. Thoughts like: "if only I did this; or said that, etc...." are bound to arise and are perfectly normal; with any luck; they'll subside with time.

Only advice I would give; is to try not to beat yourself up too much and to occupy your time and thoughts as much as possible until the pain subsides

If you've ever done dmt and partied with "the Architect", you'll know without doubt that death is only an illusion


May you find peace in these troubled times 👊🐙
 
Air temperature probes need shading from all light and wind or they read falsely fyi....

20 years of mycology should have taught you that physics.
Nope. It never occurred to me. I never gave a shit before. But I truly thank you for the advice. I won't use them. I'll just use my heat camera. It's a very expensive pain in the ass little device, but my God it's good on those surface sweeps to figure out the hotspots because they glow bright.

On the other hand, can I use this probe in the hydroponics? I've got it controlling my heat mat right now.

I don't think you've realized this. I'm happy to take your advice. You do know a lot of stuff. Most of it quite valid. You just don't like me and you don't like what I'm doing and you hassle me.

This hassling is great advice for the most part. Keep it up.

As far as the current plant, of course I had to dial in the lights and the moisture and the air flow. Mushrooms. I treat it like mushrooms.

Thank you for focusing me.

Take care
 

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No idiot. My fine screen is a silk screen. The kind you make t-shirts with. And again, it's all for me. And you're stupid enough to respond so that's okay. Yay eyeballs. Yay Occasional actual real advice.

Here's a burnt edge that crumbled away to nothing. I blasted the fuck out of that one. I crumbled it away and then I said let me bring it back.

So I did.

Narcissism based on accomplishments is simply a realistic attitude. Go ahead and tear down some more. It's okay.

And the fucking moron calls me out on curses. Oh please I can do a quick grep on your history. I'll dump them and list them out and sort them. Fucking idiot.

But beyond all the variety of things that are easy enough to call you, you are simply the attacking asshole. You will always be the attacking asshole. Whenever anybody reads anything between us, you'll be the attacking asshole and I'll be the guy showing stuff off.

Yep, that guy's got an ego. But he shows shit off and the attacking asshole doesn't want anyone to see it. He wants that guy to go away.

And they will gut check every time they read everything you've written ever since.

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It works for me.

Thank you for playing
yea he is right after the flower is dry as yours it can break down with pressure to the mesh size. but after your done take a baking paper wrap it around a dvd box and play with the dirt a little you will notice only the trichomes stick to your paper under microscope its pure heads only
 
Note on tuning.

Once you get past the trigger of opening them and getting them to grow like this, they don't need any light.

They evolved to be in a shielded tight, moist dark environment. The outer leaves absorb 99% of the goddamn light. Of course I'm making that number up but I don't really give a shit. You get the point.

Treat them like mushrooms and your energy budget goes to almost zero. Your lights drop down to cool running on almost no power and your airflow requirements drop down to almost zero as well. No AC of course.

So you just have to get them growing like this. That's all. Simple enough. Have fun trying.

Or have fun being abused by people who don't want you to try. I'm trying to just let you know how to grow them. I don't give a shit about the people telling you not to. Do it on plants you don't care about. Have fun.

It's just fun.
 
Note on tuning.

Once you get past the trigger of opening them and getting them to grow like this, they don't need any light.

They evolved to be in a shielded tight, moist dark environment. The outer leaves absorb 99% of the goddamn light. Of course I'm making that number up but I don't really give a shit. You get the point.

Treat them like mushrooms and your energy budget goes to almost zero. Your lights drop down to cool running on almost no power and your airflow requirements drop down to almost zero as well. No AC of course.

So you just have to get them growing like this. That's all. Simple enough. Have fun trying.

Or have fun being abused by people who don't want you to try. I'm trying to just let you know how to grow them. I don't give a shit about the people telling you not to. Do it on plants you don't care about. Have fun.

It's just fun.
Oh, and people are bitching about dry stuff. I did that quite a while ago. This place has been low energy and cold running for a while. I just let you keep on babbling about it. Keep on babbling. Go for it.

You never know what tests I'm doing besides whar I'm posting.

And I'll be happy to let you ride with whatever misconceptions you have for a while and then occasionally swoop in with whatever proof I feel like. It's all up to me on my schedule. Not yours.

Oh, and I haven't turned the UV on in quite a while.
 
So does that mean the experiment plant is still growing now and packing on weight? Or did you wrap things up?
 
Where did ya get the far red led bars? Name brand? They look to be the perfect size
 
ground breaking?, perhaps not, soul crunching, well, but it sure is entertaining, from here a dream come true on levels far exceeding simple or complex botanics, and I really do enjoy the photography, clear, focused, ready for study, and somewhat embarrassingly I've also learnt a word or two, grep for example, and to add to a previous comment, boiled down, there are only two states of mind, love and fear, I'll leave you all to decide which one corresponds to which, personally, I love all here but fear reprimand from less than that all.

to add, my father passed from cigarettes, I was a casual smoker, discovered vapes, never looked back, if you haven't experienced vaping nicotine it exceeds tobacco on every single level in my opinion. And my heart to yours for your brother, my only sibling, a sister two years younger, ended her own life yesterday, it stings like fuck.
Holy shit. I'm sorry man.

Yeah that one stings. You got brutal times ahead and I apologize for it.

Yeah I still go deep dark with my brother sometimes. But it feels better when it passes. Little bit more. I'll never lose it. And km1 is absolutely correct in this one.

Lots more bud porn for you. Me too cuz I like to post it. I'm going to hit about 3/4 bean bag chair here. Which is really a full bean bag chair cuz you don't get full bean bag chairs. You got to be able to sit in them and smush them. I think I'll dry it all out and throw it in a sack and sit on it for a while and see how it smushes.
 
wow, simply wow, perfectly said, and so appreciated in a time of such confusion and sadness, and I am to pivot my works to encompass my sisters own struggle and others similar and shift away from the general and usual oh my and oh me, and here I was thinking you were too hard (my def) for myself, once more, thank you for your insightful words, I will hear them echo.
I'd like to comment on that. You're right. His words were perfect. Everyone has multiple faces.

We choose to display them. I choose a whole bunch of them simultaneously because my audience is vast. I have no clue who's reading or why. I got hit every side.

So I've seen one small piece of this person. I accept that. There's many other levels and complexities and experiences that built this person. I only can babble on this shit that it's been directed my direction because I'm not going to take the time to go research this person.

So I accept there's many sides too everyone and they bring values from multiple angles.
 
Where did ya get the far red led bars? Name brand? They look to be the perfect size
You can probably pull the name from the lights from the pictures. I've gone through multiple levels of annoyance on what I'm posting here

I'm picking and choosing at this point. I might just lie directly to you and send some people on some wild goose chases just because I've been annoyed so much.

Keep in mind I'm saying all that while I'm smiling and thinking about how I'm going to enjoy doing it. Someone managed to turn off my empathy switch. I recognize when that happens. They crossed the threshold. And they think they represent the board.

I know they don't.

Hey slingshot, you get to direct information coming out in the future, keeping in mind that I might resist. You're in a brutal moment at this moment, though. I thought about sending this message to you a couple of days ago. So anyway you get to say no man, I don't want that responsibility, or you get to say yeah, I want that shit but hold off something else because these people are annoying.

Slingshot has the power.

I'm not going to give you exact wavelengths.

I can't. The lights are old and they're not available and they have altered and degraded over the years.

I've used them outside and inside and I've used them as people heaters. They're fucking awesome. They give the red for your visual impression And psychological warmth and you know where to sit and they give the far red and the infrared to keep you warm. I kept a bunch of them in a circle on my outside area and it gave the perfect warmth the zone when it was about 40° out. I supplement them with reptile infrared heaters.

I'm not going to give you name brand unless you can figure it out from the pictures. I might have posted it previously. I definitely posted it on a different site. I detailed every piece of equipment in this room.

So if you feel like looking the same idea on another site, go ahead you'll find it and you'll find a damn long history to wander through.

Hopefully I answered satisfactorily.
 
Mushrooms.

125 w spread across 5 ft. And I'm going to put a shield in front of that to see how much less I can get it.

You've never felt such a cold light.

I only use one at a time.

I rotate through them for directionality and stimulation but not for energy.

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ground breaking?, perhaps not, soul crunching, well, but it sure is entertaining, from here a dream come true on levels far exceeding simple or complex botanics, and I really do enjoy the photography, clear, focused, ready for study, and somewhat embarrassingly I've also learnt a word or two, grep for example, and to add to a previous comment, boiled down, there are only two states of mind, love and fear, I'll leave you all to decide which one corresponds to which, personally, I love all here but fear reprimand from less than that all.

to add, my father passed from cigarettes, I was a casual smoker, discovered vapes, never looked back, if you haven't experienced vaping nicotine it exceeds tobacco on every single level in my opinion. And my heart to yours for your brother, my only sibling, a sister two years younger, ended her own life yesterday, it stings like fuck.
And here's a bit of story about grep.

Keep in mind it stands for global regular expression. It's a command that was extracted out of ed, then sed then vi as a separate text filtering utility. There are various arguments to make it emulate different types since it evolved both on AT&t, Unix and BSD.

You looked up grep? Cool.

You got any Unix background?

Grep is the simplest quickest way to find anything you want in a text stream.

Typical usage is something long lines of:

Wget (various arguments to choose a website, and then suck down a particular URL) and send that to standard out.

Then pipe that to grep filter specifically what you want.

Then pipe that to a sort and then split them out between uniques and dupes.

Then sort out the dupes and get a count of them next to them.

It'll look something like this:

wget –arguments and URL | \
grep (user you're gripping for and make sure the arguments give you a big enough context window so you can look at everything around it) |\
And then you need to pipe it to split or awk or all kinds of possible things to split out the appropriate fields and then it goes through a sort and then a tee for the dupes and the uniques. Or you could use many other choices.

The bottom line is the Unix toolkit is awesome. You can spend 10 years exploring it. And then you realized you wasted 10 years of your life and then you spent another 20 years coding in perl instead of it.

That's not 100%. But the default easy pipeline with a few Unix commands does the job, but very quickly turns into a maelstrom of horrible line noise. The code looks like someone picked up a modem and trash showed up on your screen.

You've got to be careful with regular expressions. They're magic but they're dangerous. If you actually get into it I strongly suggest the Owl book from O'Reilly.

When I was about 22 I was living with my wife in an apartment in South Jersey and my mother and and my stepfather arrived. Shockingly. She lived in Florida but my stepsister, oh boy, death story not intended, got hit by a bus and then was in a coma for a few days and they showed up and had to deal with it.

Made the national news. Girl gets off a broken school bus across from her apartment. She was around 9. She goes across the street and calls for help for a tow. She goes back and tells the bus driver. In the process of going back she gets hit by a car and spends several days in a coma and dies.

My mother showed up on the second day along with my stepfather and were sleeping on my couch.

I was coding on paper, just scratching out some awk grep pipelines and my mother was sure I was doing it just to drive her insane. She thought I was making up the words as I went along. I was just sitting on the couch working through some problems and scratching it out and she was watching me and in her state of mind she thought I was doing it to drive her crazy.

Short trip.

So anyway, have fun with the tool kit. It's awesome.
 
So does that mean the experiment plant is still growing now and packing on weight? Or did you wrap things up?
Holy shit. It's packing on weight.

Now I'm not touching it, but I'm letting it grow. About three of the branches have converted to what I would consider really thick worms. They're still pushing hard but they're indicative of what I expect from the rest of the branches.

Sooner or later, the faces have to join and complete the final bud formation of any group of faces. But that's just the beginning of point of actual Bud creation. After that point, the next level of thickening happens.

Internally there are thousands of tendrils that haven't exited that are hitting other blocks, and at that point, the rest of that consolidates and thickens and turns into its own bud of everything else that it's touching at that moment.

And when I say thousands, I mean per Branch.

I think of this as mushroom media consolidation. I spent a couple of months looking at this thing and touching it and damaging it again and again with the goal of spreading it out as much as possible. I think I hit that so I stopped.

So now it's consolidating and then it will fruit. It's just consolidating now. The fruiting is when all those other Bud faces that you see actually touch something else or I say screw it that one's not going to do it. So I'll kill that Branch or I'll pull that bud. But when I say that particular tendril, I'm talking one out of hundreds of thousands. Who gives a shit.

I have no idea how to describe the growth, because it's far beyond exponential. Maybe you math geniuses can put a term on it. I don't care. I just know it's fucking ginormous and is continuing on its Murray way and I'm going to try to do a bunch of them at the same time in a hydroponics Tower next.

It will be as clean as possible, the room will be near sterile, the water will have UV exposure continuously, and I don't know what the fuck I'm doing at all. So I'm going to throw whatever minimal shit I can at it, not chaos. I understand I'm tuning now. First, I found the goal and now I have to simplify everything in the world until that goal is achieved with was with as few variables as possible.

Yes, I'd like to do organic and more variety of dirt. But I'm not going to. I'm going to go hardcore hydroponics and learn some more and play some more.

When I'm done, my goal is to have a tower that has four to eight of these in it. They should be closely reachable by a person at whatever height they're standing or sitting. The hydroponic drain pool should be directly underneath to save space. A person should stand up on a platform.

I assume I'll have a bunch of different cultivars. I can do this to anything as far as I'm concerned. Can I? Who the fuck knows. But I have to try.

So I'll germinate a half a dozen seeds and take clones from them so I can treat clones differently and see if there's different results and I'm trying to figure out if I can do it with less than mushroom light levels.

At that point I'll commercialize and crush the industry. It'll be vape extracts. They don't give a shit about flavor or anything else because it gets extracted then reconfigured with the terpenes added back in. But they don't give a shit if it's real terpenes or if they just flavor it with something else. I'll let the real scientists figure out the correct points of harvest and or manipulation.

So if I have a couple of 300 w pond pumps to handle the failover for when something fails, because something always fails, and a dozen 45 w independent aerators with huge micro discs, I figure I could put eight towers* two for a total of 16 towers times. Six plants a piece equals 96 plants in a tight room. A tiny easily controlled, easily lit and kept clean and handled room.

Yes, I'm sure I could handle that room. Or I could hand it off to someone else. Either way, yeah this is an easy one.

Take care

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It seems like someone has to make a decision.

What am I lying about?

Have I turned off the lights and I'm still blasting it? Have I faked everything just for the pictures? Have I used AI to cut and paste and expand those buds?

Is it even really cannabis? Maybe it's fucking hemp.

Is it all dry and crumbling away? Is it all soaked and the mist is making it worse and God damn it. I have to have mold showing up.

Which one will it be? It can't be both. It's contradictory. Pick one.

You have to find a side of attack. But I'm open on all sides because you don't know what the fuck is going on.

The last attack was worthless because you were attacking something that didn't exist. Nothing had crumbled in any of those pictures, they kept growing. It was a cold wet grow and those hot spots....

They didn't exist. I wanted to see your reaction.

Like I said, I am happy to lie directly to you.

I'm sure you lie to me and everybody else but there's just no point in hassling you over it. You'll just go. Oops, I made a mistake. You're filled with those types of lies. I called you on one of them and you simply backpedaled. Just no point in arguing with any specifics with you. It us 90% rambling bullshit attacks. Why the hell would I respond to that?

Instead, I'll feed you random things to attack.

You ignore the true color progression. You hook on your historical viewpoint. It was a good viewpoint. But it's fading.

But one thing you're sure of. It might be real. That asshole might have figured it out. And that asshole might actually commercialize it.

Whole bunch mights.

And if it's real?

Your whole fucking life crumbles if you are an outdoor grower and that's how your income shows up. It'll drive prices down. It'll fuck you over.

Even if this isn't your income stream, you've got an enormous amount of ego invested in this. You do have lots of knowledge. You can spit stuff out and analyze stuff really quickly. You ain't stupid. But it's your life. It's how you identify yourself.

If some random asshole, such an obvious novice, with extreme lack of knowledge can do this, what the fuck does that mean about you?

This is the unicorn that everyone said can't be done. Guess what. I did it.

What happened to your value?

A wasted life.

My father was an accountant for 40 years.

He filled out really long yellow pads with numbers and added them all up and multiplied them all out with a crank adding machine. Later on it turned into a tape trail calculator. This was his life. This was his identity.

I set up a CP/M computer with Multiplan. This was years before MS-Dos. Multi-
plan was a great spreadsheet. I think visicalc was the first but I'm not sure.

So anyway, I thought I was doing him a favor.

Look Dad. You don't need that adding machine anymore. This does it all for you.

He fucking crumbled. He saw that thing and said my God, I just wasted 40 years of my life.

That's what these types of changes do.

Have you wasted your life? How much of it is invested in outdoor growing?

This might be real.
 
Nope. It never occurred to me. I never gave a shit before. But I truly thank you for the advice. I won't use them. I'll just use my heat camera. It's a very expensive pain in the ass little device, but my God it's good on those surface sweeps to figure out the hotspots because they glow bright.

On the other hand, can I use this probe in the hydroponics? I've got it controlling my heat mat right now.

I don't think you've realized this. I'm happy to take your advice. You do know a lot of stuff. Most of it quite valid. You just don't like me and you don't like what I'm doing and you hassle me.

This hassling is great advice for the most part. Keep it up.

As far as the current plant, of course I had to dial in the lights and the moisture and the air flow. Mushrooms. I treat it like mushrooms.

Thank you for focusing me.

Take care
Well light and heat are radiation conduction and convection and we need to break everything down into those metrics.

Light and air do not have the energy to interact with each other and so light cannot directly heat air.

Light must strike a surface and indirectly be propagated out as conduction or convection both involve heating adjacent molocules.

Any temp or humidity probe is also sensitive to light radiation, it will thus heat up past the air temperature and read falsely also lowering humidity again falsely.

Other disciplines goto great lengths to shield their air reading equipment from light radiation (also wind) as they caused false readings.

If I remember correctly there were probes that cost a ton more and had a workaround so that they did read true in the light but more simply done the meteorological office just made a square louvred box to cover the instrument and shield it from wind and sunlight. I believe they use a newer system now and an all in one type device.

Your infrared thermometer will read only surface temperatures and even then they are wildly inaccurate in places and situations. It's not very effective for air monitoring and general heat but it will tell you the outer temperature of a leaf although this isn't our concern and another involved subject.

We can apply this concept to most things even create an energy budget of input and output. A leaf warms via radiation, it then conducts some of that heat back into water that it expels through stomata back into the air and the rest as convection as air passes the outer layer of the leaf.

A simple but beautiful cycle that allows us to visualise the laws of thermodynamics of light and heat.

Adding in wind to try and cool plants isn't a great idea, plants like the air to move but over a certain level say 1.0m/s you see firstly no gain and then well above that two things- the stomata close to try and conserve water and the leaf is cooled to well under the air temperature affecting photosynthesis.

Labs will use a form of lamina flow set by a series of small tubes or more traditionally like us with vents at one end and extraction at the other creating a smooth flow through the whole canopy.

Barely receivable by us more like a very gentle breeze on a sunny day barely moving a leaf, best I've seen it described without using a costly anemometer. Your exponentially past the level we would want and most plants fit into.

No bad conditions made good growth or more growth in plants defining each species requirements. It's strange you would even try this approach and as to treating like mushrooms, the two aren't even closely related in any way or how they work with one spending all but short periods living below ground.

On another note still not seeing any magic mushrooms, been picking found nothing, friend found a small patch but it's still to warm here in the UK, for that I need colder temperatures and morning dews. Really sucks here in the United Kingdom except for golf 💯
 
It seems like someone has to make a decision.

What am I lying about?

Have I turned off the lights and I'm still blasting it? Have I faked everything just for the pictures? Have I used AI to cut and paste and expand those buds?

Is it even really cannabis? Maybe it's fucking hemp.

Is it all dry and crumbling away? Is it all soaked and the mist is making it worse and God damn it. I have to have mold showing up.

Which one will it be? It can't be both. It's contradictory. Pick one.

You have to find a side of attack. But I'm open on all sides because you don't know what the fuck is going on.

The last attack was worthless because you were attacking something that didn't exist. Nothing had crumbled in any of those pictures, they kept growing. It was a cold wet grow and those hot spots....

They didn't exist. I wanted to see your reaction.

Like I said, I am happy to lie directly to you.

I'm sure you lie to me and everybody else but there's just no point in hassling you over it. You'll just go. Oops, I made a mistake. You're filled with those types of lies. I called you on one of them and you simply backpedaled. Just no point in arguing with any specifics with you. It us 90% rambling bullshit attacks. Why the hell would I respond to that?

Instead, I'll feed you random things to attack.

You ignore the true color progression. You hook on your historical viewpoint. It was a good viewpoint. But it's fading.

But one thing you're sure of. It might be real. That asshole might have figured it out. And that asshole might actually commercialize it.

Whole bunch mights.

And if it's real?

Your whole fucking life crumbles if you are an outdoor grower and that's how your income shows up. It'll drive prices down. It'll fuck you over.

Even if this isn't your income stream, you've got an enormous amount of ego invested in this. You do have lots of knowledge. You can spit stuff out and analyze stuff really quickly. You ain't stupid. But it's your life. It's how you identify yourself.

If some random asshole, such an obvious novice, with extreme lack of knowledge can do this, what the fuck does that mean about you?

This is the unicorn that everyone said can't be done. Guess what. I did it.

What happened to your value?

A wasted life.

My father was an accountant for 40 years.

He filled out really long yellow pads with numbers and added them all up and multiplied them all out with a crank adding machine. Later on it turned into a tape trail calculator. This was his life. This was his identity.

I set up a CP/M computer with Multiplan. This was years before MS-Dos. Multi-
plan was a great spreadsheet. I think visicalc was the first but I'm not sure.

So anyway, I thought I was doing him a favor.

Look Dad. You don't need that adding machine anymore. This does it all for you.

He fucking crumbled. He saw that thing and said my God, I just wasted 40 years of my life.

That's what these types of changes do.

Have you wasted your life? How much of it is invested in outdoor growing?

This might be real.
Option four you used Ai to cut and paste and expand the buds.

Clearly the work of someone asking Ai to make a burnt bonsai cannabis plant 😂😅😂🤣
 
It seems like someone has to make a decision.

What am I lying about?

Have I turned off the lights and I'm still blasting it? Have I faked everything just for the pictures? Have I used AI to cut and paste and expand those buds?

Is it even really cannabis? Maybe it's fucking hemp.

Is it all dry and crumbling away? Is it all soaked and the mist is making it worse and God damn it. I have to have mold showing up.

Which one will it be? It can't be both. It's contradictory. Pick one.

You have to find a side of attack. But I'm open on all sides because you don't know what the fuck is going on.

The last attack was worthless because you were attacking something that didn't exist. Nothing had crumbled in any of those pictures, they kept growing. It was a cold wet grow and those hot spots....

They didn't exist. I wanted to see your reaction.

Like I said, I am happy to lie directly to you.

I'm sure you lie to me and everybody else but there's just no point in hassling you over it. You'll just go. Oops, I made a mistake. You're filled with those types of lies. I called you on one of them and you simply backpedaled. Just no point in arguing with any specifics with you. It us 90% rambling bullshit attacks. Why the hell would I respond to that?

Instead, I'll feed you random things to attack.

You ignore the true color progression. You hook on your historical viewpoint. It was a good viewpoint. But it's fading.

But one thing you're sure of. It might be real. That asshole might have figured it out. And that asshole might actually commercialize it.

Whole bunch mights.

And if it's real?

Your whole fucking life crumbles if you are an outdoor grower and that's how your income shows up. It'll drive prices down. It'll fuck you over.

Even if this isn't your income stream, you've got an enormous amount of ego invested in this. You do have lots of knowledge. You can spit stuff out and analyze stuff really quickly. You ain't stupid. But it's your life. It's how you identify yourself.

If some random asshole, such an obvious novice, with extreme lack of knowledge can do this, what the fuck does that mean about you?

This is the unicorn that everyone said can't be done. Guess what. I did it.

What happened to your value?

A wasted life.

My father was an accountant for 40 years.

He filled out really long yellow pads with numbers and added them all up and multiplied them all out with a crank adding machine. Later on it turned into a tape trail calculator. This was his life. This was his identity.

I set up a CP/M computer with Multiplan. This was years before MS-Dos. Multi-
plan was a great spreadsheet. I think visicalc was the first but I'm not sure.

So anyway, I thought I was doing him a favor.

Look Dad. You don't need that adding machine anymore. This does it all for you.

He fucking crumbled. He saw that thing and said my God, I just wasted 40 years of my life.

That's what these types of changes do.

Have you wasted your life? How much of it is invested in outdoor growing?

This might be real.
You too sound like your married and im getting tried of get reply with you two how do I think take you'll off my page
 
oh if I only knew how I first became attached to this thread and how now to detach and live free once again, oh the dreams I do have

to trim the quote, "golf sucks", there, eternally fixed, though I've only ever whacked a golf ball on golf grounds with a stick, and a golf ball with a golf club in the woods full of sticks, so hope exists if I match the two.

TT, you mention above, I don't know, mention again or never again, as with everybody that stands before myself if I can ever be of assistance, ask, if I can, I always do my best, period, that said, I openly admit that I comprehend but a tenth of what you both speak, though an idiot, I'm no dummy, I have my numbers, (move aside, another ego enters the chat), and to serve or assist in any way beyond my intermittent annoyance I feel I would fail spectacularly, you, the pair of you, exist on a plane of differing thought and approach to myself, big smarts, big words, awesome fucking retorts, moar all, I be emotive, soft, loving, non-combative communication wise, though no peace loving hippy, my greatest passion is hand held weaponry of war, so more so peace through superior firepower, in short, if a hand needs to be held, I'm the one, if direction required by that hand, I do not possess that level of inner confidence, and to end my mumble, it is ever so apparent that one here surpasses the other in every way but none, sleep well guys
 
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