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[ChairmanFester]

Premier (Peat) vs Coco Coir Brands — Grower Cheat Sheet​

Premier (Pro-Mix peat products)​

• Origin: Premier Tech, Rivière-du-Loup, Québec (Canada).
• Products: PRO-MIX HP, BX, MP, etc. — peat-based with perlite/vermiculite; some mixes include mycorrhizae or beneficial Bacillus.
• Strengths:
  • Consistent texture, engineered porosity.
  • Excellent water retention (but can get hydrophobic when bone dry).
  • Professional greenhouse standard.
• Weaknesses:
  • Not renewable (bog harvest).
  • Typically low nutrient charge — you must feed.
• Grow shop flex: “You want control? PRO-MIX HP with myco is what every commercial greenhouse in Canada starts with.”

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Coco Coir Brands​

Canna Coco​

• Origin: Netherlands (but coir sourced from Sri Lanka/India).
• Strengths: Washed and buffered, very clean. Consistent CEC (cation exchange).
• Weaknesses: Pricey. Requires dedicated coco nutrients.
• Flex: “Canna invented the premium coco standard — no nasty salts, no surprises.”

Botanicare CocoGro​

• Origin: U.S. brand, coir sourced from Sri Lanka.
• Strengths: Triple-washed, low EC, buffered with calcium. Loose or compressed.
• Weaknesses: Slightly less fluffy than Canna.
• Flex: “Solid mid-price option that won’t fry your roots with sodium.”

CocoTek (General Hydroponics)​

• Origin: U.S. (GH), coir from Asia.
• Strengths: Easy to find, comes in bricks or loose bags. Pre-buffered versions available.
• Weaknesses: Some growers say it runs coarser than others.
• Flex: “Good starter coir if you’re just testing the waters.”

Mother Earth Coco​

• Origin: U.S. brand, coir from Asia.
• Strengths: Affordable, decent quality. Loose bags ready to use.
• Weaknesses: Not always as perfectly washed/buffered as Canna.
• Flex: “Budget coco that still gets the job done.”

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Head-to-Head​

Feature	Premier (Peat)	Coco Brands
Source	Canadian peat bogs	Coconut husks (Sri Lanka/India)
Consistency	Engineered, pro greenhouse	Varies by brand, top end (Canna) is ultra consistent
Nutrient profile	Basically inert	Inert but has cation quirks (needs Ca/Mg attention)
Water behavior	Holds lots, hydrophobic if dry	Holds well, easy to rewet
Sustainability	Non-renewable	Renewable byproduct
Cost	Midrange	Canna (high), others (mid-budget)
Use style	Add perlite, feed everything	Buffer with Ca/Mg, feed everything

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Bottom line:

• Premier (Pro-Mix) = reliable, professional peat mixes — your “old school, proven workhorse.”
• Canna Coco / Botanicare = premium coco choices — clean, consistent, renewable.
• CocoTek / Mother Earth = budget-friendly coco that works but may need extra flushing.

And while I read none of this GTP-babble, I can clearly state Fox Farms is always better because they sent me stickers. So, I GTP'ed a letter to email Premier:
To Whom It May Concern at Premier,


I am writing to you today not as a humble gardener, but as a furious custodian of God’s green bounty, and I must ask: why do you sin before the Almighty with your bland Canadian peat blends while FoxFarm showers us with Ocean Forest like manna from Humboldt?


Your “Pro-Mix” claims to be “professional.” Professional what, exactly? Professional filler? Professional brick-weight bag that I need to rehydrate like a corpse in the desert? I open your bag and it’s peat, perlite, and a couple microbes looking like they’re waiting for the bus. Meanwhile, FoxFarm opens their bag and it’s like Eden itself — worm castings, bat guano, crab meal, fish bones, and probably an angel strumming a harp just out of sight.


Why must you test the patience of growers? Why do you tempt us with hydrophobic peat that repels water like a televangelist repels taxes? I water it and the liquid beads up on top like tears rolling off a sinner’s cheek. And don’t you dare tell me it’s “by design.” Even Job had better water retention than this.


FoxFarm’s Happy Frog? That soil smells like freedom and good barbecue smoke. Ocean Forest? That’s God’s own topsoil, fortified with the bones of a thousand seafood dinners. Premier? You’re giving me Canadian Swamp Lite, a medium so inert that even my dog looks at it and says “where’s the guano, eh?”


So I put it to you plainly: repent. Abandon your sterile bog sinning and embrace the rich, messy, guano-blessed path of righteousness. Until you can match the holy fertility of FoxFarm, I will consider your brand less a “Premier” and more a “Peat-enders.”


Explain yourselves. Before God and before every houseplant I’ve drowned trying to rewet your desiccated moss bricks.


Swallow my load,
Chairman

 

[Mikedin]

More worried about ya driving and posting

As long as goin under 80 I’m good with the knee to drive

 

[Mikedin]

Premier (Peat) vs Coco Coir Brands — Grower Cheat Sheet​

Premier (Pro-Mix peat products)​

• Origin: Premier Tech, Rivière-du-Loup, Québec (Canada).
• Products: PRO-MIX HP, BX, MP, etc. — peat-based with perlite/vermiculite; some mixes include mycorrhizae or beneficial Bacillus.
• Strengths:
  • Consistent texture, engineered porosity.
  • Excellent water retention (but can get hydrophobic when bone dry).
  • Professional greenhouse standard.
• Weaknesses:
  • Not renewable (bog harvest).
  • Typically low nutrient charge — you must feed.
• Grow shop flex: “You want control? PRO-MIX HP with myco is what every commercial greenhouse in Canada starts with.”

---

Coco Coir Brands​

Canna Coco​

• Origin: Netherlands (but coir sourced from Sri Lanka/India).
• Strengths: Washed and buffered, very clean. Consistent CEC (cation exchange).
• Weaknesses: Pricey. Requires dedicated coco nutrients.
• Flex: “Canna invented the premium coco standard — no nasty salts, no surprises.”

Botanicare CocoGro​

• Origin: U.S. brand, coir sourced from Sri Lanka.
• Strengths: Triple-washed, low EC, buffered with calcium. Loose or compressed.
• Weaknesses: Slightly less fluffy than Canna.
• Flex: “Solid mid-price option that won’t fry your roots with sodium.”

CocoTek (General Hydroponics)​

• Origin: U.S. (GH), coir from Asia.
• Strengths: Easy to find, comes in bricks or loose bags. Pre-buffered versions available.
• Weaknesses: Some growers say it runs coarser than others.
• Flex: “Good starter coir if you’re just testing the waters.”

Mother Earth Coco​

• Origin: U.S. brand, coir from Asia.
• Strengths: Affordable, decent quality. Loose bags ready to use.
• Weaknesses: Not always as perfectly washed/buffered as Canna.
• Flex: “Budget coco that still gets the job done.”

---

Head-to-Head​

Feature	Premier (Peat)	Coco Brands
Source	Canadian peat bogs	Coconut husks (Sri Lanka/India)
Consistency	Engineered, pro greenhouse	Varies by brand, top end (Canna) is ultra consistent
Nutrient profile	Basically inert	Inert but has cation quirks (needs Ca/Mg attention)
Water behavior	Holds lots, hydrophobic if dry	Holds well, easy to rewet
Sustainability	Non-renewable	Renewable byproduct
Cost	Midrange	Canna (high), others (mid-budget)
Use style	Add perlite, feed everything	Buffer with Ca/Mg, feed everything

---

Bottom line:

• Premier (Pro-Mix) = reliable, professional peat mixes — your “old school, proven workhorse.”
• Canna Coco / Botanicare = premium coco choices — clean, consistent, renewable.
• CocoTek / Mother Earth = budget-friendly coco that works but may need extra flushing.

And while I read none of this GTP-babble, I can clearly state Fox Farms is always better because they sent me stickers. So, I GTP'ed a letter to email Premier:
To Whom It May Concern at Premier,


I am writing to you today not as a humble gardener, but as a furious custodian of God’s green bounty, and I must ask: why do you sin before the Almighty with your bland Canadian peat blends while FoxFarm showers us with Ocean Forest like manna from Humboldt?


Your “Pro-Mix” claims to be “professional.” Professional what, exactly? Professional filler? Professional brick-weight bag that I need to rehydrate like a corpse in the desert? I open your bag and it’s peat, perlite, and a couple microbes looking like they’re waiting for the bus. Meanwhile, FoxFarm opens their bag and it’s like Eden itself — worm castings, bat guano, crab meal, fish bones, and probably an angel strumming a harp just out of sight.


Why must you test the patience of growers? Why do you tempt us with hydrophobic peat that repels water like a televangelist repels taxes? I water it and the liquid beads up on top like tears rolling off a sinner’s cheek. And don’t you dare tell me it’s “by design.” Even Job had better water retention than this.


FoxFarm’s Happy Frog? That soil smells like freedom and good barbecue smoke. Ocean Forest? That’s God’s own topsoil, fortified with the bones of a thousand seafood dinners. Premier? You’re giving me Canadian Swamp Lite, a medium so inert that even my dog looks at it and says “where’s the guano, eh?”


So I put it to you plainly: repent. Abandon your sterile bog sinning and embrace the rich, messy, guano-blessed path of righteousness. Until you can match the holy fertility of FoxFarm, I will consider your brand less a “Premier” and more a “Peat-enders.”


Explain yourselves. Before God and before every houseplant I’ve drowned trying to rewet your desiccated moss bricks.


Swallow my load,
Chairman

My problem with fox farms was consistency and reliability, when I ran happy frog wayyyy back I was one of the unlucky suckers that had a whole grow going in happy frog… that they missed adding the buffer on… never got a refund, never got anything just a notice on their own page when they figured out what happened meanwhile my grow was basically fucked, rode it out but it suffered a lot, that’s when I said nah fuck that, if the mix is fucked, it’s my fault

Now if I buy premix soil it’s from build a soil, every batch is lab tested and free to read right on their site, the dominion blend is the most expensive they sell but that’s what I used in the 30 gallon bags to start them, just got a bag in in 2 days ago, ill mix with the build a flower and craft blend for top dresses

Btw you could drop this dominion blend into 30 gallon bags (you’ll need 4 per 30 gallon ) plop in your seedling and you can go through veg and flower and just give em water and you’ll grow killer bud I bought the 2nd batch they produced of it, crazy good

Gotta say, the free shipping when buying 2+ products is a crazy bonus

 

[Mikedin]

Frostette is actually running the 2nd round in that soil with the top dresses

 

[Mikedin]

Now ya got me all confused it’s cocopeat what ever that means feels fluffy like coco though says from the worlds biggest coco peat producer View attachment 2537461View attachment 2537463

Yeah that looks like it’s just 70% coco the way the bag said cocopeat I was assuming it was a mixture of both

 

[JIMKSI64]

Apple Fritter Auto 11 for 11 and 20 for 20 for the whole seed bank purchase
Hopefully I learned enough in the first run to grow some weed.

Now to get 2nd tent up.

 

[Mikedin]

Apple Fritter Auto 11 for 11 and 20 for 20 for the whole seed bank purchase
Hopefully I learned enough in the first run to grow some weed.
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Hell yeah! Love some apple fritter! I grew the @RoyalQueenSeeds apple fritter and it was excellent smoke, some of that if you have some on you people are gunna know kinda bud haha wife could smell it in the kitchen within 30 seconds when I burped the jars in the basement lol

And damn was she pretty

I have way to many pictures on this phone

And that was a 1 gallon fabric pot lol

 

[JIMKSI64]

Hell yeah! Love some apple fritter! I grew the @RoyalQueenSeeds apple fritter and it was excellent smoke, some of that if you have some on you people are gunna know kinda bud haha wife could smell it in the kitchen within 30 seconds when I burped the jars in the basement lol

And damn was she pretty

I have way to many pictures on this phone

I will def do a photo run of this strain. It was a good choice when my "guy" had some. Have never seen it on the dispensary list.
My last of the plants came out with a very good finish. Reducing the lights worked but it did extend the grow another 2 weeks. It also brought 3 oz. If I could duplicate that x 11 I would be pretty happy.

This was 3rd plant and the colors expressed at 60 degrees night time temp.

 

[Mikedin]

I will def do a photo run of this strain. It was a good choice when my "guy" had some. Have never seen it on the dispensary list.
My last of the plants came out with a very good finish. Reducing the lights worked but it did extend the grow another 2 weeks. It also brought 3 oz. If I could duplicate that x 11 I would be pretty happy.
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This was 3rd plant and the colors expressed at 60 degrees night time temp.

Damn she’s lookin nice! Bet she had some pretty dense colas too, I like when plants have a nice colorful finish especially outdoors… they are flowers after all! Even people who don’t smoke seem to gravitate twords em

I actually pick up the light 3-4” higher after week 7 or I’ll turn em down 10-15% power till they finish

Edit
Most of the strains I run finish around week 8-9*

 

[JIMKSI64]

Damn she’s lookin nice! Bet she had some pretty dense colas too, I like when plants have a nice colorful finish especially outdoors… they are flowers after all! Even people who don’t smoke seem to gravitate twords em

I understand bag appeal but much like the natural grow with a ballistic missile on the top I will not be doing that again. I think I lowered the temps to soon and it finished in a hurry. Was not nearly as potent as the 4th plant that I am smoking now. Not skilled enough for potent and pretty I will choose the medication aspect.

 

[Mikedin]

I understand bag appeal but much like the natural grow with a ballistic missile on the top I will not be doing that again. I think I lowered the temps too soon and it finished in a hurry. Was not nearly as potent as the 4th plant that I am smoking now. Not skilled enough for potent and pretty I will choose the medication aspect.

yeah that’s why I don’t depend on outdoor I can decide to run so much longer if I think they need it. But like today on the way home this morning I saw it down to 36 at the lowest, and I’m thinkin at least 2 weeks till the get to where I want them but I think we’re gunna get too cold too quick this year, it’s fun but it’ll probably all be hash or somthing I wanna make some gummies, I like the control indoors (she was indoor) she was a really nice mix of body and mind high just happened to hit all the right points

 

[ChairmanFester]

Does anyone "shock" plants before harvest? I've seen a number of methods but none of them look legit. I saw someone try spiking in another thread and nearly had a stroke.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

As long as goin under 80 I’m good with the knee to drive

I use to roll joints while knee driving. The driving instructor didn't seem to thrilled but what did he know?

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

Does anyone "shock" plants before harvest? I've seen a number of methods but none of them look legit. I saw someone try spiking in another thread and nearly had a stroke.

Never. The only stress my plants have gotten while in flower is missing fertigations and the coco drying. Otherwise I baby them, even talk to them. After a couple bottles of cider they even talk back but only a couple of 'em

 

[ChairmanFester]

Of the many odd perspectives in a war, this one where russians mock US made F-35s for having only one of their drones killed by posting a ukrainian cob-job AA truck that has many more Russian drone kills.
Completely ignoring that this merely indicates Russia is not a winner here.
LOL
"xaxaxaxa amerifat lose to ukie female soldier, (somehow) NATO BTFO!!!!!"

 

[TheGoldenRoad]

Lmaooo bro I gave up but you let me know. I am splashing goldenroad hashplant tonight and some others

Send it!

Looks like everyone has had pretty good luck so far which is awesome.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

Yeah that looks like it’s just 70% coco the way the bag said cocopeat I was assuming it was a mixture of both

There are different types of coconut coir. The peat looks and feels like real peat so that's why they call it peat. There's fibers like you see on a coconut and there are pieces of the hull that feel like hard sponges, usually about the size of a sugar cube cut into fourths. Some is rinsed, some is conditioned and some gets bagged after being removed and should be rinsed and can be conditioned.

When I started growing in coco about 8 years ago I was getting 8qts $.99 at the 99 Cent Store. I'd rinse it and then condition it with a high ec blend of epsom and calcium and then rinse before use. Got lazy once and used it right out of the bag and worked just fine so I stopped rinsing and conditioning.

Last year I tried Back to the Roots

51qts $20 and now need to put it on monthly auto order. Love this stuff. I put the giant brick in a 12 gallon half wine barrel and add water and break it up and use it as is. Good stuff and great price

 

[TheGoldenRoad]

Never. The only stress my plants have gotten while in flower is missing fertigations and the coco drying. Otherwise I baby them, even talk to them. After a couple bottles of cider they even talk back but only a couple of 'em

It’s the Cherry Wine Hemp isn’t it?

 

[TheGoldenRoad]

I use to roll joints while knee driving. The driving instructor didn't seem to thrilled but what did he know?

He couldn’t have been that mad. You still passed. More like green with envy.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]