Water only produces the finest terps

[brusselsf4]

one hippie goes a long way lol, '78 xmas bud. tom hill had his pakistani pine tar kush ibl, the first stabilized gas line.

Idk how high any vietnamese weed has ever been tested to. but with enough selective breeding..

growing up met a man who'd been growing papaya since the 80s, this mid 2000s and by that time had found and ran a road kill rotten pheno that you didnt wanna cure too long. and one that tasted perfect, like biting into papaya/mango. Made amazing hash, greasy high terp % stuff

 

[Florida_Mike]

The 80s weed we used to smoke as kids in Sarasota FL was a lot better then today's shit by far and shit from Illinois old skunk bud we grew on edge cornfields be hell out today's shit

Best I've ever smoked was "Alleghny Indica" in the late 70's - early 80's in Allegheny County NY. It was introduced to the area by a mysterious dude who went by the name "Adam" who had a wife named "Eve" lmao. Talk about skunk, that shit was incredible. Had the biggest seeds I've ever seen; easily 10x the size of any of the modern seeds that I've aquired over the last two years. Never seen anybody who could finish a whole joint without having to take a nap... Most people couldn't make it past 2 or 3 hits. 2nd 3rd place, was some Jamaican sensi and of course Maui Wowie. Nothing like them today outside of the Capt's Maui '86 genetics

 

[mikeyd4286]

Best I've ever smoked was "Alleghny Indica" in the late 70's - early 80's in Allegheny County NY. It was introduced to the area by a mysterious dude who went by the name "Adam" who had a wife named "Eve" lmao. Talk about skunk, that shit was incredible. Had the biggest seeds I've ever seen; easily 10x the size of any of the modern seeds that I've aquired over the last two years. Never seen anybody who could finish a whole joint without having to take a nap... Most people couldn't make it past 2 or 3 hits. 2nd 3rd place, was some Jamaican sensi and of course Maui Wowie. Nothing like them today outside of the Capt's Maui '86 genetics

Your on the money hahaha nothing now days comes close I just smoked a joint of some shit supposed to be 35 percent and it sucks I had some skunk back 2010 know u down buddy grew for another buddy with cancer the done it right one j 3 or 4 people f up ..I miss it

 

[7munkee]

Even living soil needs top dressing once the nutrients are depleted. Organic or synthetic is beside the point; "water only" is misleading. I see a lot of people on here grow cute little novelty plants. I don't have that option. I have to grow a years worth of meds (x 2) with 12 plants in the cold months only

@Mikedin has the best living soil grow I've seen on this site.

Of course. I reamend before every cycle. And sometimes a week or two before flower if my plant is ginormous. I got a little more than 1 cubic foot per plant in my Earthboxes, but I havn't dumped them out for 7 full cycles. The last couple cycles I have had to use fulvic acid and Recharge to coax enough nutrients out to finish.

If I didnt live in forest in the northern mountains I would use a 100 gallon Grass roots bed in my basement.

 

[ShatterRaptor]

I have years of experience growing and after starting this hobby I quickly realized the best way to grow is with soil that contains sufficient nutrients to grow bud using water only. Nature has been doing it this way for millions of years and it's classic human arrogance to think that you can improve upon the way cannabis is meant to be grown-the way it evolved to grow. I understand that indoor growing under lights is unnatural but beyond that I like to keep everything as organic as possible. When I use pesticide I make a homemade neem oil concoction to spray the plants with, but I grow strong plants with good pest resistance and don't usually need pesticide. I use gnatrol WDG larvicide for the first couple waterings to prevent fungus gnat problems but other than that the plants receive nothing but nice clean water. In some respects I'm still ignorant of growing. For example, I don't even know what the ideal ph is because I've never needed to know that to grow strong plants that produce good weed. I just find quality soil, start my seeds, and water the proper amount from seed to harvest. For years I've been using roots organics soil but next run I'm gonna try KIS(Keep it Simple) organic soil cause it's tailored specifically for people who grow water only. There will be those that disagree but I believe that to make the finest cannabis possible it's best to stick to the way Mother Nature intended to grow plants rather than giving liquid feedings.

Id love to see pics of your harvested flower from water only. I have realized after years of growing that environment is definitely king when it comes to growing just about anything. The right soil, & ideal conditions/elements are like 80% off the battle (the grow phase, nevermind the cure phase). However nutrients are essential to growing top tier cannabis. You don't need a lot by any means, but without them you will certainly have deficiencies. The problem with water only is that no matter how good of soil you start with, those immobile nutrients deplete usually well before the flower phase even starts. It is during this transition that you need nutrients more than ever. To support flower growth for 8-12 weeks after that, water only is not going to be enough for the plant to produce giant fat colas that are packed with resin. So when you say how can u expect to do better than nature, you tell me when you saw nature produce a plant that looked healthy with fat sparkling colas in nature that nobody was tending to, & I'll pack my bags and move there tonight?

 

[amneziaHaze]

Bahaha..... All I can do is laugh at that .... Point was is that for 1000's of years people grew and ate ONLY organically and it didn't help them fight disease or live longer or better one iota, and the health benefits of organics are way overstated in this modern day. You did a halfway decent job of furthering my point.

I grow some of the best cannabis in the world, hydroponically; and more of it than most home growers. I'll put my smoke up against "organically" grown any day and hold my own.

I stand by my little manifesto

Oh, and how much of that treated water is "organic"?

Organics came from a time when mosanto sold that pesticide that gave everybody cancer but they sold it to the whole world.then people.noticed food that wasnt sprayed was better

As for water only looked at mikes living soil first the bed is the size of his grow box second all the stuff he put in it cost him over 100$.after all that yea water only...

 

[Ninjadogma]

I couldnt resist slipping a meme in...

 

[Ninjadogma]

I was doing some mental masturbation with an AI last night about steering terps and got some enlightenment. Apparently it is entirely possible but it's not a strategy of producing more of one, it's about producing less of others and you steer it by controlling the environment. So for example you want that a-pinene for your pine and to bring that smell out you run a cooler lights out temperature that doesn't favor the myrcene or limonene. A crude example, but perhaps the secret lies in knowing the temperature, light and humidity conditions that exist for each of the most common terpenes, with something similar to the nutrient pH availability chart and that could be a good reference guide for getting a plant to express the way you want it to when it could go a couple directions on you.

 

[Choppr]

"Organic has many things that synthetic nutrients dont have. Vitamins, hormones, aminoacids, etc... all of those goodies you can only find in organic liquid nutrients or ammendments". The composition of Iguana Juice, the organic liquid I use when my super soil depletes, has the same ingredients that a good soil ammendment so when you say liquids it depends. Also almost nobody would prefeer outdoors over indoors and theyve been bred like that for decades now so they are kinda used to growing indoors too and usually produce better buds since you can control the parameters instead of being at the mercy of nature.

Sorry @Eledin, but you may have some bad intel on MC - MegaCrop is a Complete Robust Formula, 18 L-Aminos, Vitamins, Plus all the essentials, (because its made in a Lab it may even contain more than Organics, its readily available and Plants dont know the difference) - I switched from Advanced Nutrients "Connoisseur Line" that I used for almost 7years(expensive bottled)... in 2017 I switched to MegaCrop, It has it all, Plus some! I will say the "AN Connoisseur Line" is a Very Good Product, But MC is right there, at a way better price-point. If you visit the MC Website all the info is there, but took a couple screenshots...Ive grown Organically Ive grown Synthetically, Soils, DWC, Coco, and Rockwool, All have benefits and drawbacks.. (my small grows now are coco only - easy grows)
Organics Can produce better flavor but not always, Organics in my gardens always did less yield - in Hydro they grow big much faster, and the end yields are noticeably higher, Strains that are weaker in terps to begin with can be washed out even more in Hydro, (strain dependent) - Genetics Matter! any way just my 2 cents - keep growin my'friend!

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

People who grow in soil believe water is best and those who grow in hydro believe hydro is best. Personally I find the Best is how well you dial in your specific method regardless of the method. I've got some BBHP that was grown outside in coco w/ Master Blend nutes is kicking my butt and tastes like fking Blueberries

But I'm sure it would have tasted better if grown organic

 

[amneziaHaze]

I was doing some mental masturbation with an AI last night about steering terps and got some enlightenment. Apparently it is entirely possible but it's not a strategy of producing more of one, it's about producing less of others and you steer it by controlling the environment. So for example you want that a-pinene for your pine and to bring that smell out you run a cooler lights out temperature that doesn't favor the myrcene or limonene. A crude example, but perhaps the secret lies in knowing the temperature, light and humidity conditions that exist for each of the most common terpenes, with something similar to the nutrient pH availability chart and that could be a good reference guide for getting a plant to express the way you want it to when it could go a couple directions on you.

I just read that uv gives 50% more terps.40% limenon or omethibg with L.... allsoo there was a study where they did start of flower with 14h end with 8 got same dry weight but a huge difference with terps since the light didnt bake them off

Many research says hydro is not the best but the size of plants cant be compared hydro wins by a mile and all plants trow a shit tone more flower in hydro foe some reason.and yea people like a nice smelling weed but end of day people want to get wasted.if they wanted somethinf else they qould smoke cbd.

And no matter how much better organic is if you fuck up the drying it becomes worse than hydro.and most people do simple tent drying

 

[amneziaHaze]

 

[painfree]

Actually if you vape it kills all the flavor, its always better smoked. Thats because when you vape it youre heating it ALL at once, so the terps get destroyed even if youre vaping at the temperature to decarb THC only. Terps start getting destroyed at 30-40ºC and to notice any effect vaping you need to vape at minimum 160ºC so it always tastes the same no matter the strain when vaped. Im talking dry herb, with concentrates is different because the outside temperature is higher than the inside temperature.

I only vape for a decade now and taste is always there unlike inhaling a joint or even a bowl. My avb already vaped bud gets turned into canna butter or oil. I grow my own using dr. Earth and Greenleaf nutrients and taste and flavor, effects are more pronounced then just organic. Compared to dispo weed it is light years ahead for pain relief and overall mindset.

 

[Eledin]

Sorry @Eledin, but you may have some bad intel on MC - MegaCrop is a Complete Robust Formula, 18 L-Aminos, Vitamins, Plus all the essentials, (because its made in a Lab it may even contain more than Organics, its readily available and Plants dont know the difference) - I switched from Advanced Nutrients "Connoisseur Line" that I used for almost 7years(expensive bottled)... in 2017 I switched to MegaCrop, It has it all, Plus some! I will say the "AN Connoisseur Line" is a Very Good Product, But MC is right there, at a way better price-point. If you visit the MC Website all the info is there, but took a couple screenshots...Ive grown Organically Ive grown Synthetically, Soils, DWC, Coco, and Rockwool, All have benefits and drawbacks.. (my small grows now are coco only - easy grows)
Organics Can produce better flavor but not always, Organics in my gardens always did less yield - in Hydro they grow big much faster, and the end yields are noticeably higher, Strains that are weaker in terps to begin with can be washed out even more in Hydro, (strain dependent) - Genetics Matter! any way just my 2 cents - keep growin my'friend!

Once you start adding kelp is not only synthetic anymore but I get what you mean. I should have said that base synthetic nutes dont have it while base NPK organic ammendments and organic ammendments in general do. I used ph perfect for a long time, years, but Ive been growing organic for years now too and I dont wanna go back. The only way to give synthetics all the goods from organics is using organics in the synthetic line, which is fine, Athena does it too and is considered the best line in many countries, it won the spannabis this year.

 

[Eledin]

Also Im a big fan of AN, still use the organic line (Iguana Juice, Big Bud and Bud Candy, the rest I find redundant and overpriced). Iguana Juice is basically an hydrolized bunch of organic ammendments, its expensive but worth it if you can afford it. Unless you wanna go only with dry ammendments which is cheaper but also harder to control when you wanna push nutrients to the max. I do a mix of both. I do my super soil and when the plants start to get hungry or Im approaching fattening I start giving liquid organic nutes to see how much I can push them.
I find that I burn them less often than with top dressing, but a light top dressing to go along with the liquid feeding is still welcomed.