Blackberry Moonrocks Photo Run. 4x4 Organic

[gmonster714]

All looks awesome. That hooking in the Widows????? I dont see overwatering signs but that big hook screams N toxicity. The deep green leaf as well.

Im no professional at this but ive seen this before. It was one of the rare times I flushed a plant.

Just sharing this to make sure you see it.

 

[JIMKSI64]

All looks awesome. That hooking in the Widows????? I dont see overwatering signs but that big hook screams N toxicity. The deep green leaf as well.

Im no professional at this but ive seen this before. It was one of the rare times I flushed a plant.

Just sharing this to make sure you see it.
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Naw they dried out a bit. Already straight and pretty. Also the lighting makes it look darker.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Update
Moved vdp to 1.2 this am.
Mainlines at 30k tops
Widows at 46k tops

At lights on a few top leafs on the widows do show some clawing. 1 week into stretch and 10 days after the 4 4 4 top dress hope I timed this rights.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Just before lights out.

 

[JIMKSI64]

 

[GasPlease]

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From what I can tell this is the lights out DIF?

 

[JIMKSI64]

Update.
Watered widow 1
Watered GXGSC and topped dress with 3/4 feed rate for 4 4 4 Dr earth.
Set up all lights in one app and removed controller for the veg tent. All lights at 63%.
Widows at 45k and mainlines at 35k

Still not enough plant matter to fill the whole pot as dry down would be 8 days. Still watering the plant for the mainlines
Laid down the new growth to point away from the 2nd top on each corner.
Next water for Widows will be w maint dose cal-mag as we are at 70% of expected light output.
Love the node spacing them gunna fill in nice.

 

[cpurola]

Is it just me or does it seem your photo grow is much more relaxed than last time with the autos.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Is it just me or does it seem your photo grow is much more relaxed than last time with the autos.

Yes. 11 friggin plants wth was I thinking.
So any ways getting the veg tent up and ready to start 5 white widows for mainlining in 3 gallon pots. 4 top only.
But it's not like it will be 11 plants.

It's only gunna be 10.

 

[JIMKSI64]

You can actually see when I dropped the new tent box against the flower tent blocking the incoming air vent.
They already got a beef with each other .....

Doh

 

[JIMKSI64]

Update
Watered widow 2
Spacing looks good.
Everybody behaving
Still have slight claw on #2. Present much harder when thirsty.

 

[gmonster714]

Update
Watered widow 2
Spacing looks good.
Everybody behaving
Still have slight claw on #2. Present much harder when thirsty.

I absolutely loath flushing a plant but id throw this lady in the bathtub and run 5gal through her medium. I think you'll see a different plant emerge.

These leaves are a deep green and them hooks aren't going away as you continue on.

I see no damage of a plant not watered properly BUT....I do see N toxicity. Its either in your medium or in your feeding regime but im pretty convinced thats a N toxicity your looking at.

Its a simple fix and if im wrong it wont hurt. You replace any washed out nutrients with the next proper feeding anyways.

 

[JIMKSI64]

I absolutely loath flushing a plant but id throw this lady in the bathtub and run 5gal through her medium. I think you'll see a different plant emerge.

These leaves are a deep green and them hooks aren't going away as you continue on.

I see no damage of a plant not watered properly BUT....I do see N toxicity. Its either in your medium or in your feeding regime but im pretty convinced thats a N toxicity your looking at.

Its a simple fix and if im wrong it wont hurt. You replace any washed out nutrients with the next proper feeding anyways.

Concerned that the organic nature of the grow would leave me with no nutrients for 2 weeks until the new nutrition catches up.
And again the first pic I showed 50% of the plant was hooked like that but watering cleared up all but the top growth.
Lemme get a new pic 2 hours after watering and lights on.

Top growth

Top of back Widow

If you think I need to do this and it will not crash the organic structure I will attempt this.

 

[gmonster714]

Concerned that the organic nature of the grow would leave me with no nutrients for 2 weeks until the new nutrition catches up.
And again the first pic I showed 50% of the plant was hooked like that but watering cleared up all but the top growth.
Lemme get a new pic 2 hours after watering and lights on.

Top growth
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Top of back Widow
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If you think I need to do this and it will not crash the organic structure I will attempt this.

Overlooked the organic grow. I grow with salts so I have a bit more control over the amount in my medium. If I flush its no big deal but its a last ditch effort thing.

If it responds with that posture id roll with it too. They are some damn nice looking plants.

I push a lot of calcium nitrate so mine tend to color up pretty solid greens but ive also overdone it..lol

How do ya fix toxicity issues in organics?

 

[JIMKSI64]

Overlooked the organic grow. I grow with salts so I have a bit more control over the amount in my medium. If I flush its no big deal but its a last ditch effort thing.

If it responds with that posture id roll with it too. They are some damn nice looking plants.

I push a lot of calcium nitrate so mine tend to color up pretty solid greens but ive also overdone it..lol

How do ya fix toxicity issues in organics?

Well first of all this is supposed to be HAF to even do this. Organics work on a demand and supply system.
I knew I had overshot on the mainlines when they got greened but the Windows were doin so good at 3/4 feed rate in the 3 gallons but what I forgot is the visual representation of 3 different plants with 3 different looks for the same condition.
Gxgsc got huge fans and glossy green.

BBMR got perfect stamped out fans that stayed 4 inches across and stopped growing
And the widows got top clawing that decided to synchronize with a over dry situation.
I am still learning.
What I am learning is I want to do coco but the waste situation sucks. I do not think I want to throw a bunch of nutrients into my septic system and leach field.
Some info online suggests a dose of magic fairy dust can help accelerate the storage of nitrogen by adding to the biome mass.

All I know is that the top dressing added to the dirt takes a while to break down as it is organic material. The idea that this particulate matter could be flushed through the soil seems counterintuitive.

 

[Grownsince95]

Overlooked the organic grow. I grow with salts so I have a bit more control over the amount in my medium. If I flush its no big deal but its a last ditch effort thing.

If it responds with that posture id roll with it too. They are some damn nice looking plants.

I push a lot of calcium nitrate so mine tend to color up pretty solid greens but ive also overdone it..lol

How do ya fix toxicity issues in organics?

It might not need a full flush, maybe just some more runoff the next few waterings. The issue with organics is disrupting the rhizosphere. If it's really strong (obvious here if the plant has so much N available) some flushing will have very little negative consequences on the strength of the microbes. The N rides in on the mass flow and when you train and defoliate that hard it has less leaves to use as a sink, so it accumulates in what's left.

 

[Grownsince95]

Well first of all this is supposed to be HAF to even do this. Organics work on a demand and supply system.
I knew I had overshot on the mainlines when they got greened but the Windows were doin so good at 3/4 feed rate in the 3 gallons but what I forgot is the visual representation of 3 different plants with 3 different looks for the same condition.
Gxgsc got huge fans and glossy green.

BBMR got perfect stamped out fans that stayed 4 inches across and stopped growing
And the widows got top clawing that decided to synchronize with a over dry situation.
I am still learning.
What I am learning is I want to do coco but the waste situation sucks. I do not think I want to throw a bunch of nutrients into my septic system and leach field.
Some info online suggests a dose of magic fairy dust can help accelerate the storage of nitrogen by adding to the biome mass.

All I know is that the top dressing added to the dirt takes a while to break down as it is organic material. The idea that this particulate matter could be flushed through the soil seems counterintuitive.

Your plants aren't eating any of that "particulate" matter in an organic grow. They are eating the byproducts of the microbes that eat that. Washing some away (both microbes and amendments) will slow down the metabolism of your plant food factory living in the dirt.

 

[gmonster714]

Your plants aren't eating any of that "particulate" matter in an organic grow. They are eating the byproducts of the microbes that eat that. Washing some away (both microbes and amendments) will slow down the metabolism of your plant food factory living in the dirt.

I get that...but I fail to understand how you correct toxicity in a organic medium?

 

[gmonster714]

It might not need a full flush, maybe just some more runoff the next few waterings. The issue with organics is disrupting the rhizosphere. If it's really strong (obvious here if the plant has so much N available) some flushing will have very little negative consequences on the strength of the microbes. The N rides in on the mass flow and when you train and defoliate that hard it has less leaves to use as a sink, so it accumulates in what's left.

Usually when ya remove a large amount of leaf it causes the plant to pull N from the medium. If the medium is hot it can hook the leaf showing N toxicity. Training and pruning does not cause the plant to store N.

I dont really see a large amount of leaf removed here.

 

[GasPlease]

I get that...but I fail to understand how you correct toxicity in a organic medium?

The best move is stop adding any source of nute and let the plant and soil figure it out. In this case I would top dress with some biochar and increase the volume water for a bit. If its real bad then a good flush or two followed by rebuilding the microbes.