Blackberry Moonrocks Photo Run. 4x4 Organic

[Grownsince95]

Usually when ya remove a large amount of leaf it causes the plant to pull N from the medium. If the medium is hot it can hook the leaf showing N toxicity. Training and pruning does not cause the plant to store N.

I dont really see a large amount of leaf removed here.

Most of the N that moves into the plant does so through diffusion or mass flow. It's the mass flow part that's causing toxicity. Eliminate the excess there and the plant will move N as it sees fit.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Looks like the top 2 levels of the plant have shook off the N issue.
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Watered both BBMR
Found BBMR 1 to have roots close to surface during scrape so no more pulling dirt out and mixing nutes with it.
Rear widow close may check at noon.
Fixtures on both BBMR tops for spread.
GXGSC looking good and 4 inches above MR. Gunna let it t ride unless I get a light presentation. Plants are growing into the light and a good rate where it seems to be able to take it.
Close to putting them on the floor and jacking it to the 90's % power on the lights.
Tops.

 

[gmonster714]

The best move is stop adding any source of nute and let the plant and soil figure it out. In this case I would top dress with some biochar and increase the volume water for a bit. If its real bad then a good flush or two followed by rebuilding the microbes.

I can see how stopping any top dressings would prevent further decline but I think in mid grow rebuilding microbes would takes time...dont they?

 

[GasPlease]

I can see how stopping any top dressings would prevent further decline but I think in mid grow rebuilding microbes would takes time...dont they?

Yes and no. You hopefully arent flushing everything away so not a complete rebuild. Using a tea with beneficials(recharge) to do the flush is a hack. That way you are adding more in as youre removing some. Disturbing the ecosystem is the main issue but this is the worst case option.

Adding the biochar will cause the microbes to use N to process the carbon.

 

[JIMKSI64]

I had come to the decision that it did not look like a plant ending issue and it did not need a major rebuild flush. I thank everyone who chimed in and it looks to be sorting it's self out.



I am actually going to post a question as a topic on the farm.
My run with 3 strains using the feed chart so that it is a pretty hot mix.
Technique 1: Follow the 2 week schedule but put 3/4 the feed rate or
Technique 2. Feed at the same rate but extend the feed time to 3 weeks.

 

[gmonster714]

Most of the N that moves into the plant does so through diffusion or mass flow. It's the mass flow part that's causing toxicity. Eliminate the excess there and the plant will move N as it sees fit.

This is how I learn. I ask questions and good folks like you answer with some solid ass info.

So I took what you posted and looked even deeper to get a better understanding.

If a plant is sitting in high N soil and is thirsty frequently it can can run toxic. In an organic medium i guess it's a waiting game and monitor. Just water as usual and the N will bleed out eventually. Hooks disappear.

Learned something today...thanks

 

[JIMKSI64]

This is how I learn. I ask questions and good folks like you answer with some solid ass info.

So I took what you posted and looked even deeper to get a better understanding.

If a plant is sitting in high N soil and is thirsty frequently it can can run toxic. In an organic medium i guess it's a waiting game and monitor. Just water as usual and the N will bleed out eventually. Hooks disappear.

Learned something today...thanks

But I also found out that a flush can help if it is in a plant ending spiral by rebuilding the biome with bennies in the flush. But is not to be done lightly.
And 3 presentations for nitrogen being high. Each plant did something different.

 

[gmonster714]

Yes and no. You hopefully arent flushing everything away so not a complete rebuild. Using a tea with beneficials(recharge) to do the flush is a hack. That way you are adding more in as youre removing some. Disturbing the ecosystem is the main issue but this is the worst case option.

Adding the biochar will cause the microbes to use N to process the carbon.

Right, I was just reading uo on that. Some use woodchipa or sawdust. It will soak up N in a medium or an outdoor area.

Also read to just let them bleed it out and it'll get better.

I run salts so I can dump everything if I have to..refeed and im rolling. Not so much with the organics. Im reading up a lot on outdoor organics since ill have some outdoor area to play in soon. Some good info in here. Thanks for sharing.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Right, I was just reading uo on that. Some use woodchipa or sawdust. It will soak up N in a medium or an outdoor area.

Also read to just let them bleed it out and it'll get better.

I run salts so I can dump everything if I have to..refeed and im rolling. Not so much with the organics. Im reading up a lot on outdoor organics since ill have some outdoor area to play in soon. Some good info in here. Thanks for sharing.

Outdoor garden tip.
Moving the garden plot every few years is something that I have done for years. After 3 years in the same spot I think I am onto the reason.
Ph keeps going up on the patch every year. Very soon to be out of the range for tomatoes.
I think it is left over nutrition.

 

[gmonster714]

But I also found out that a flush can help if it is in a plant ending spiral by rebuilding the biome with bennies in the flush. But is not to be done lightly.
And 3 presentations for nitrogen being high. Each plant did something different.

Yeah, if ya grow multiple strains with multiple seeds your going to have different plants.

 

[gmonster714]

Outdoor garden tip.
Moving the garden plot every few years is something that I have done for years. After 3 years in the same spot I think I am onto the reason.
Ph keeps going up on the patch every year. Very soon to be out of the range for tomatoes.
I think it is left over nutrition.

How are you checking ph in the ground spot? Slurry tests? How deep do ya test?

 

[GasPlease]

I had come to the decision that it did not look like a plant ending issue and it did not need a major rebuild flush. I thank everyone who chimed in and it looks to be sorting it's self out.



I am actually going to post a question as a topic on the farm.
My run with 3 strains using the feed chart so that it is a pretty hot mix.
Technique 1: Follow the 2 week schedule but put 3/4 the feed rate or
Technique 2. Feed at the same rate but extend the feed time to 3 weeks.

It might be in here somewhere but are you using fresh soil or recycled? And is your soil starting point fairly close to the same every run?

 

[JIMKSI64]

Fresh soil for the moonrocks
50/50 used on the widows but it was the Apple fritter run with very poor root development so very lightly used soil.

 

[JIMKSI64]

How are you checking ph in the ground spot? Slurry tests? How deep do ya test?

Slurry test like pot.
Root zone column slurry goes down 10 inches. Much below that is clay. Big sheet of ice took the rest with it 9000 years ago.

 

[GasPlease]

Right, I was just reading uo on that. Some use woodchipa or sawdust. It will soak up N in a medium or an outdoor area.

I think biochar is the better option. Sawdust is more of a temporary fix but it might buy you the time the plant needs to get things processed. Biochar offers multiple benefits and is a permanent fix.

 

[GasPlease]

Fresh soil for the moonrocks
50/50 used on the widows but it was the Apple fritter run with very poor root development so very lightly used soil.

This is where the feed charts can be off. The starting point of everyones soil is going to be different. I looked at the feed chart for home grown and it starts week 1. Im not familiar with your soil but if you think its got enough in it maybe hold off til week 3 and give 3/8 or the full 1/2 cup. Then continue regular schedule. ???

 

[JIMKSI64]

This is where the feed charts can be off. The starting point of everyones soil is going to be different. I looked at the feed chart for home grown and it starts week 1. Im not familiar with your soil but if you think its got enough in it maybe hold off til week 3 and give 3/8 or the full 1/2 cup. Then continue regular schedule. ???

I am not going to reuse soil again until I get a complete recipe for doing so. The soil reuse here I am pretty sure was documented and I believe I mixed the 1/2 a pot of used with the full top dress and then hydrated it back to the " fresh open bag " feel. Mixed with OF and 4 cups MG perlite.
The fresh soil went 2 weeks. But remember the underlying issue for the manifolds has been time. 10 weeks flew by and I am top dressing for the 5th time next round. The reduced growth rate should have backed off the feed.
Until flower. These are starting to do as expected. 6 days in from flip and I am a bit high on nitrogen but caught it with input from friends and am modifying program to suit.

 

[GasPlease]

I am not going to reuse soil again until I get a complete recipe for doing so. The soil reuse here I am pretty sure was documented and I believe I mixed the 1/2 a pot of used with the full top dress and then hydrated it back to the " fresh open bag " feel. Mixed with OF and 4 cups MG perlite.
The fresh soil went 2 weeks. But remember the underlying issue for the manifolds has been time. 10 weeks flew by and I am top dressing for the 5th time next round. The reduced growth rate should have backed off the feed.
Until flower. These are starting to do as expected. 6 days in from flip and I am a bit high on nitrogen but caught it with input from friends and am modifying program to suit.

I recycle too. The soil gets better with every grow they say. My first bag from last june is in the 5x5 pots. The whole organic soil process is a little bit of a educated guesstimation.

10 weeks flew by and I am top dressing for the 5th time next round. The reduced growth rate should have backed off the feed.

If Im reading this right. Youre saying since the manifolds slowed things down the feed demand should of been lower and since the widows are more developed they shouldnt have got n tox?

 

[Crazyformes]

Update
Moved vdp to 1.2 this am.
Mainlines at 30k tops
Widows at 46k tops

At lights on a few top leafs on the widows do show some clawing. 1 week into stretch and 10 days after the 4 4 4 top dress hope I timed this rights.

I'm still here Jim.....here is my update. My Blackberry Moonrocks are looking much better than last time.
I am letting the roots grow before I transplant into my Growace Air Cube system.

 

[JIMKSI64]

I'm still here Jim.....here is my update. My Blackberry Moonrocks are looking much better than last time.
I am letting the roots grow before I transplant into my Growace Air Cube system.

Awesome dude!