D/C hydro grow

[Boots Sugarleaf]

I am following this thread, thanks for sharing.

It is something I intend to do next year myself

 

[noone88]

No we are not moving battery! They weigh like 75lbs each. We have 3ft zero gauge wire running through to the inverter from the battery banks. Plus so ever one not confussed THE CHARGERS are only TEMP until SOLAR PANELS are built up then they will only be back up for cloudy days. It takes 1-125w panel per battery to charge. We are building our own solar panels so it going take time with error i'm sure. This is still in testing that's why it's not in FULL DETAIL but any questions one might have SHOOT AWAY......Plus the inverter you got pasted YES" thats it but $100.00 more then we payed EBAY" $199.99 go there and the Iota chargers.

So, to sum it up for people, the Iota charger is plugged into a normal household AC outlet. The charger is then hooked to the batteries (6 of them). Lastly, you connect the inverter to the batteries and your ballast plugs into the inverter. Correct?

Your household AC charges your batteries after the 12 hour light cycle? Do you need a timer for this?

You're going from AC power -> DC power storage (deep cycle battery) -> AC power for lights?

 

[BlueBerryMaster]

So, to sum it up for people, the Iota charger is plugged into a normal household AC outlet. The charger is then hooked to the batteries (6 of them). Lastly, you connect the inverter to the batteries and your ballast plugs into the inverter. Correct?

Yes and No!
The charger is plugged in to wall, the charger connected to one end of battery bank which is 12 battery bank. Then the invert will connect to other end of bank then your lights will plug in the inverter but you gotta turn inverters on and off manually on your light cycle.


Your household AC charges your batteries after the 12 hour light cycle? Do you need a timer for this?


No timers and NO not after unless you have enough Amh to run for 12 hours and that veries from your battery setup and Amh that are stored. So unless shit load of battery the charger will charge as battery are draining but these are smart chargers MEANING they dont run the whole AMP out out al time only uses as much AMps as needed to charge and if you got enough Amp hours will result in less charging time at full AMP out meaning it will run less then the hids but u gotta make sure the Amh hours are high our you might be facing high electric bills. This is where trail and error has played. So i could not fully know if this setup would be cheaper to run unless i knew the watts running and how long. Then you can get a ball park figuare of your Amp needed to run D/C to A/C without running the smart chargers. It has to be a smart charger they a 3 step charger means IT ONLY BUMPS AMPS UP a need to hold battery % but the inverters have alarms if alarm sounds mean your Amp hours are not enough and you are running most power of the charger which then will convert to inverter and thats where it cost more to run but most don't know this and think can take a fe battery and run system without charge while running lights. Amh is what makes this setup succeed. If you short the hours you short the run times meaning to much charging and not enough runtimes.


You're going from AC power -> DC power storage (deep cycle battery) -> AC power for lights?

D/C power for lights A/C to charge but gotta remember the charger gotta be 3 stage where it is not 100% charging all times. It has to kick the AMP output down or yes you risk in higher LOAD USEAGE.....But if you got a though in mind SHOOT and maybe i can help before you make errors as we have done . So learn from me with questions will surely save you down the road from alot of stress errors and HIGH ELECTRIC bills.....This will and is working just gotta know what to do and how to go about it.......

 

[RichieRich]

what makes you think charging the Batteries with a battery charger via AC, then coverting that AC to DC, then pushing that DC in to Lead Acid Batteries which charge at less than 100% efficiency, then converting that DC Power Stored in the Batteries via the less than 100% efficient DC to AC conversion, and then you loose lots of Amp Hours in the Battery anytime you drain the battery at high dc loads. Pure AC Grid power is always going to be cheaper. There is no point to use those batteries at all because they are for sure costing you more money than just running the HIDs off grid power.

Buy a KillaWatt Meter and log the amout of power you are using with the Iota Charger during a daily recharge cycle. Then Log the power consumption of the 600w ballast and tell me which option uses the least amount of electricity.

 

[BlueBerryMaster]

what makes you think charging the Batteries with a battery charger via AC, then coverting that AC to DC, then pushing that DC in to Lead Acid Batteries which charge at less than 100% efficiency, then converting that DC Power Stored in the Batteries via the less than 100% efficient DC to AC conversion, and then you loose lots of Amp Hours in the Battery anytime you drain the battery at high dc loads. Pure AC Grid power is always going to be cheaper. There is no point to use those batteries at all because they are for sure costing you more money than just running the HIDs off grid power.

Buy a KillaWatt Meter and log the amout of power you are using with the Iota Charger during a daily recharge cycle. Then Log the power consumption of the 600w ballast and tell me which option uses the least amount of electricity.

Your only talking what has already been done. Srry bro my homework been done. Here your kilowatt reader and like i said pay attention to what i am saying and less on your output on something you haven't even tried bro!!! I'm not thinking anything I KNOW what i'm saying, FACTS don't lie people do.......

 

[BlueBerryMaster]

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[rollajoint]

the guy has done his homework cant fault you there bro. Good luck in the grow i will be watching as its new to me and a lot of other people out there . Hope it goes well .
RJ

 

[RichieRich]

so tell me how many KWH your use to recharge your battery bank that runs the ballast.

How many KWH do you use when you run the ballast directly from Grid Power?

What is the difference between the 2 different ways? I would like to know what your test results are. I have batteries and inverters and chargers but can't see how using the batteries would be any more efficient. Maybe I'm wrong so school me.

 

[BlueBerryMaster]

so tell me how many KWH your use to recharge your battery bank that runs the ballast.

How many KWH do you use when you run the ballast directly from Grid Power?

What is the difference between the 2 different ways? I would like to know what your test results are. I have batteries and inverters and chargers but can't see how using the batteries would be any more efficient. Maybe I'm wrong so school me.

Ok now need to know what battery,inverter and charger do you have because all that is key?? Is charger 3-stage?? Is inverter SINE WAVE?? What type of battery deep cyle? How many of them? What's the Amh on each battey?? How many battery do you have for a bank etc. Also i will run the charger and HID on the KILOWATT reader to show the KWH used it will be this week sometime OK. So bare with me bro and you soon will see that D/C is the new age. That's why this log is up to show the world of growers that D/C will and does run HID easily just gotta get Amh up so run time is atleast 80%. Yes it runs the battery down draining below 50% but will take well over a year to even phase the charger percent meaning by the time you evden gotta worry about a bad battery YOU WILL HAVE ALREADY made enough crops to buy triple the battery and run even more lights? Gotta look at the whole picture here but if you going doult it and not even give it a try WELL i guess those will be the ones who will never know..........later

 

[BlueBerryMaster]

Plue Mr. richie RICH i think you tring to bust my balls but it not going happen cause the facts here will prove what i'm saying. ACTION speaks louder then words and here you will see the action and not just words.........So RICHIE BOY just kick back LEARN something and lets all grow under the rader.........but please all if you never even took the first step to D/C what makes you even think i'm going try argue the facts NO SENSE cause i'm already proven it is beening done but like i said ask away on questions THAT'S why i'm here with the grow going as we speak D/C power YEA YEAHHH.

 

[BlueBerryMaster]

Plus lets not forget that we going solar charge to the chargers are TEMPS it will be FULL OFF GRID D/C power just don't have 5000.00 dollares right now for the REAL D/C battery we going switch to but before it's over here you all will see the whole opp running off no more then D/C chargerd by solar OFF GRID....It takes 1-125watt solar panel per battery to be charged. Plus you go HYBRID which is solar and wind power gen together THE SKY IS the limit but before the post is fully closed you will SEE FULL OPPS off nothing more then HYBRID POWER of grid TOTALLY?? Doesn't happen over night but thats why you start out slow and small and let the crops pay for the upgrades each time THE SKY THE LIMIT. It something that if looked at correctly you will see the endless of possiabilty and can and is beening done today....most are just to skeptical to even try it but once you do you will soon then be like HELL I BEEN MISSING OUT all this time cause i was scared of high electric bills .. NO more my friends this is the future of underground.

 

[budfriend]

tagged...cant wait to see this go down. good luck


for all the poeple dougting. I barely understand half of what blueberry is saying but do you think the guy is that stupid to drop the coin and not already know what is going on. Learn

 

[HG23]

Very cool!!

Ive thought about this subject more than once. Can't wait to see it go down.

 

[Jalisco Kid]

This would work if you have no other options,but you lose too much in the conversion. The watts per panel converted to ac will keep the power companies in business a long time. JK

 

[noone88]

Spoke to an EE guy and he's repeated the same sentiments. You lose too much going from ac to dc back to ac. He told me to get a cargo van, load it with batteries, charge it at a different location, and then drive it to the grow house...

I'll reserve judgment until OP has more information.

This would of course pair well with solar panels; I don't think anyone's ever doubted that. But the cost of batteries + solar panels to power one 600 watt light is probably a bit... high

 

[DazedNconfussed]

I guess it would depend where you live on what it would cost to run a 600. Around my way it's like 28.00 a month for 12h days. Now that's not much but going and putting 6-600 on your grid YOU TALKING LIKE 150.00 more a month

ok, so its $1200 to set up each 600, $1200 x 6 ( 6 600 watt lights) and thats $7200 for batteries and chargers only.
You claim to use only 1/3 the electric now, and it currently would cost you $28 per month for`each light, so your talking about saving approx $100 per month.

That will take 6 years to pay you back if its really only drawing 1/3 of the power. Not to mention I am sure youll have to replace batteries and chargers in that time.

I am not knocking what your trying to accomplish what so ever, I am just skeptical your saving that much power, and even if you are, the pay back is so far down the road....I mean with an electric bill your size you could sell a few ounces of meds every few months and cover your elec bill easy....

 

[BlueBerryMaster]

HOLY MOLY people!! I never seen so much SKEPTICAL minds. You gotta be open to new ideals and never think NEVER cause then it will be NEVER....... ;] Also i think alot are getting confussed as to what is going on here. This is not i repeat" this is not for 1-2 light grows it's for many muti grow lights. This is to AVOID high electric bills for many pounds of many lights. The cost is NOT the factor here because people when your running 4-4x8 hydro tables SOG" that's one table every 2 weeks NON-STOP. So there for COST isn't the issue for the long haul. Yeah you can grow with many lights on your eletric bill with VERY HIGH RISK FACTOR through the roof for the illegal CASH CROPPER. Don't know how some are figuare pay offs way down the road it's less then a year and all is paid for then it's 100% profit period every 2 weeks. Not everyone state's are the same nor same charge where i'm from you sure the hell not going run many lights of your eletric and think you going not sleep cause all on your mind is that damm 500.00 and up bill for a 900 Sqft home and thats not including your daily usage of a house hold of 5 thats just for the shit you running to grow so actually you be looking at like a 650.00 a month eletric bill YEAH RIGHT not me. That can and will get yo ass popped around here. So you take what you grow to expand who gives shit what it cost cause it pay it self off very quickly on a 12 light scale. It's the peace of MIND" you get from no DETECTION of power cosumpsion and that's what it's about THE LONG HAUL for us. Yeah sure even tried bouncing house to house each grow SREW THAT so try it and come back tell me how it went. THE risk even higher moving the grow shit ever wheres IN OUT back IN back OUT. It's not like it easy to just keeping packing 12 lights 4x8 tables benching shelven fans exuast Co2 multi 70 gallon REZS. controllers bulds timers hyrdoton veg lights cloners nutes trays buckets you get the ideal ALOT OF SHIT!! Oh did i forget to mention all the damm MOTHER PLANTS to. NOWAY this here is the easy way undetected from power use stationary op that is running like a dream. So we care less of cost cause you can always start from bottom and build up when cash rolls in. Here cost without eletric lights ALL D/C solar charge. 4-solar panels[125w ea.] 800.00 4-deep cycle solar batteries 740.00 1-invert 3000w 200.00 that equal ==1740.00== lol..... that's running light off grid completely that's not even close to one table harvest and we get 1 every 2 weeks.....chump change now say you running 12 lights 1740 x 12=20,880 by the time you to 12 lights you would have already made a killing by then the 20gram would be just a memory HELL i seen and know guys paid that just for a GENARATOR..So think low key steady pace and reep your rewards ALL WITHOUT those GET YOUR HEAD BUSTED ELTRIC BILLS and a better peace of MIND while the whole time having pounds every 2weeks for as long as you like..... :] Now that my friends is a BEAUTIFUL THING!!!

 

[mrdizzle]

Sorry if I missed it but what does your bill come out too now? I think I read you save about 1/2

Im in a med state so power isnt really an issuse, but I have researched power company's back east and everyone has a privacy statement that they will not turn over your records without a warrant ect. I understand your trying to stay off the radar but I have nevre read of a grow bust that the power company notified the police that the bill was too high, only the police contacting the power company after they got a tip of an OP.

great thread though, at the end of the day, do what you gotta do to sleep well and live free

 

[BlueBerryMaster]

Sorry if I missed it but what does your bill come out too now? I think I read you save about 1/2

Im in a med state so power isnt really an issuse, but I have researched power company's back east and everyone has a privacy statement that they will not turn over your records without a warrant ect. I understand your trying to stay off the radar but I have nevre read of a grow bust that the power company notified the police that the bill was too high, only the police contacting the power company after they got a tip of an OP.

great thread though, at the end of the day, do what you gotta do to sleep well and live free

Like i mention before ALL STATES AND COUNTY work differant in the big city maybe you not draw attention through eletric company but your route areas things are differant and city is no longer its little ole towns where big city rules do not apply hell some make there own rules anywho why risk it when no need to. This grow is for viewing and info it is not telling everyone to go do this DO AS you wish and it's not the cops to worry it the eletric company on suspious that may call the cops with there little suspious minds just cause you don't grow don't mean it don't come to mind but the subject is arguemetal I AGREE if we was saying HEY MAN DO THIS OR YOU BUSTED or HEY this the only way to grow etc. but we not we just learning and passing the knowleged on to others that may not want those high eletric bills for any reason it may be...So grow low or grow slow.......ethier way lets just enjoy the grows and knowledge along the way ;] DO or DON'T the info will still be here for the DO's................ :party0023:

 

[mrdizzle]

I feel you brother, How much is your current bill now? and what do you think it would be normally( I think you said $650) thanks