Is aeroponics better than DDS's system?

[squarepusher]

I have been reading that aeroponics is the best way to grow, however, I have never seen a 4# plant with aeroponics. Do you think aeroponics is better than DDS system?

 

[GBOOST]

How long is a piece of string? You have to keep in mind, there may be a way, tho highly unlikely, to get more grams per watt than DD's method, or at least equal to, but they all involve high plant numbers. This system was developed for patients with a limited plant number to grow large volumes from small plant numbers. Also people is area's where growing is illegal would most likely get in far less trouble with 4-12 plants compared to 60-200+.

Ozzie

 

[Loudblunts]

'better' & 'best' is relative and depends on end users taste.... as once you get into water sports they all take off fast and grow big... not to mention each have their own pros and cons.

if 'fastest' possible growth and big bright white fluffy roots are 'better' & 'best' in your opinion, than this is relative. and would point more towards HP aero

however, i dont blv DD or UC like systems were entirely made for speed (nor fluffy fuzzy root porn for that matter).... i have to say more so for YIELD. With that said, DWC and RDWC for that matter is no slow turtle... as like i said before once you jump into water sports you get a few yards advantage anyway

one of the main reasons you prolly never seen a #4 plant from true aeroponics is for one, the grow method was mainly for clones and propagation.... but you know how folks do.. tweak tweak and tweak.

Also, the root mass and the fluffyness that true aero makes is incredibly bigger and needs more space. So for a 4# appropriate tree.... that reservoir (inorder to keep the roots from matting, etc etc) will need to be stupid big....

LP aero trees are sometimes the norm on other sites, however most people who use LP aero dont know what it actually is and still are using smaller contained systems or pvc rails and the like.... root growth is limited in systems like those. so while a tree (err perhaps mini tree) may be conceived in one of those LP aero systems, it damn sure aint hitting 4# numbers

another reason can be that most people who grow aero, are SoG farmers so they dont really like big trees, instead [they are] going with smaller, and larger number of plants. All boils down to personal preference i guess.


Also, when you take into the account of what is needed to setup system VS system... i have to say that RDWC and DD like systems are probably easier to put together. I say that because some folks wont buy a UPS battery back up or something else that may be looked at as imperative in the chosen aero sport.

however when the system is put together and working it can be one of the most efficient... just may be a headache to setup at first (HP aero).


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with all that said, im currently a LP aero guy with a side of HP cloning experience... and im wanting to upgrade. I've been looking going into HP aero fullblown OR doing RDWC... then i stop and think about it... and say fuck that (HP aero)... and start looking at the Undercurrents or the DD mpb type of systems.

sometimes ya just want simplicity/ease

 

[squarepusher]

If aeroponics is more efficient, then theoretically they should be able to outperform a DD system with the same space requirements. Another poster on this forum did an aeroponic tree grow, however his results were not that great and he claimed it was due to too little light, however didn't post gpw numbers to get an idea of efficiency.

So what I am wondering is, aeroponic seems to have its edge with DO availability, but I am wondering with a fast RDWC system like DDS, that in fact DO may not be an issue, and having a large water volume provides better support for root area allows for larger root area, and plants can take up nutrients better, so in fact it may be better than aeroponics.

 

[Donkdbz]

If you like SOG aero is great otherwise its a Pain in the ass. You have just as many res changes if not more. You have to keep more moms. Make tons of cuttings.

Most people including myself who have done aero are really doing hybrid Aero/NFT.

 

[mrdizzle]

yes its way better, do it!!! be sure to post some pics

 

[biggs]

yes its way better, do it!!! be sure to post some pics

you think aeroponics is better than dd's system mate?

 

[GBOOST]

Haha, I think you missed the sarcasm mate;)

Ozzie

 

[biggs]

Haha, I think you missed the sarcasm mate;)

Ozzie

lol, doh!!

 

[tree farmer]

you may have never seen a 4lb tree in aeroponics but then again how many growers using dds system have you seen with a 4lb tree. i honestly dont spend alot of time looking at grows using his system(not because i dont love to look, just time constraints) but from the accounts of what seem to be some good growers on this site most growers using his system arent getting 4lb trees. from my limited browsing i have noticed most are 2.5lb and less.

i posted the yield from my experment with HP aero trees which i feel were pretty good. some dick talked shit to me because i didnt reach dds numbers so i edited the yield numbers.
every system has pros and cons and these must be wieghed for each grower. aeroponics is a great way to grow be it LP or HP. can aero grow a 4lb tree. i guess one day someone might do it. does that make aero any worse if it cant, i doubt it, aero has its place also. it all comes down to what your trying to achieve and the resources you have to implement those goals.

the only people who can appriciate what it takes to even reach 3lb trees is those who have tried. im sure the tree growers here (and my thoughts also)can tell you is that if you reach even 3lb trees it doesnt come the first time around with any system.

 

[UCMENOW]

Word

you may have never seen a 4lb tree in aeroponics but then again how many growers using dds system have you seen with a 4lb tree. i honestly dont spend alot of time looking at grows using his system(not because i dont love to look, just time constraints) but from the accounts of what seem to be some good growers on this site most growers using his system arent getting 4lb trees. from my limited browsing i have noticed most are 2.5lb and less.

i posted the yield from my experment with HP aero trees which i feel were pretty good. some dick talked shit to me because i didnt reach dds numbers so i edited the yield numbers.
every system has pros and cons and these must be wieghed for each grower. aeroponics is a great way to grow be it LP or HP. can aero grow a 4lb tree. i guess one day someone might do it. does that make aero any worse if it cant, i doubt it, aero has its place also. it all comes down to what your trying to achieve and the resources you have to implement those goals.

the only people who can appriciate what it takes to even reach 3lb trees is those who have tried. im sure the tree growers here (and my thoughts also)can tell you is that if you reach even 3lb trees it doesnt come the first time around with any system.

:bow

 

[antimatter]

Its all good bros, do whatever you feel like doing.

 

[Loudblunts]

lol i think this thread went in a entirely different direction. lol even snarky subliminals

i think folks are being an 'intra racist' almost like 'you arent hispanic enough, or not white enough, or not black enough'

lol who cares? like previously said... once you hit water sports, your growth & yield rates are accelerated anyway

i notice some folks reply with bias yet they are newfound growers with first time experience with either system.

there is a very thin line between bias, facts and someone's opinion of fact (fanboyism?)


I love both and came here to watch yall boys pwn those big tree grows and mpb and UC type style (rdwc)

like said before, each system has its pros and cons

could a rdwc system fail with power going out? yes! stagnant water is never good.

same with aeroponics.

this is why it is suggested with any water growing system you look into a UPS battery backup...i mean if thas your kick.

another thing, i think it all boils down to what you want. different strokes for different folks. there is no set in stone system that is best or better because water is still the initial enabler. Now if you want to use the word best and better with filters(in reference to).... such as 'fast' filter or 'water efficiency' filter or 'ease of use' filter... then yes, you could get answers.

but lets not fight each other and make such noise over a trivial issue

overgrow!

 

[Mr.Sputnik]

they both work well. I just got a bunch of ants that invaded my aero system and clogged every sprayer in a day. I could imagine a 55 gallon plastic drum lined with sprayers with 1 plant in it. It should work well, maybe a recirculating aero water chilled system with vertical lighting? How about a fogger setup the same way? WTF just get a corn silo and fill it full of vertical lights and get a 50lb tree? The sky is the limit. Grow the shit out of the herb, whatever you do!

 

[antimatter]

All I can think of is Krusty, and you know he always did say his system was the best, but now other people are saying there system is the best so something aint right here what if Aliens have better plant growing systems? how bout energyponics, we all know energy is better.

 

[mrdizzle]

hahah shit,

to be honest the reason I chimed in was the thread itself is kind of silly. There is no answer to his question. It’s too general, a broad stroke without any specifics that anyone can answer. "Better" for you, better for me, better for him. If you want to talk about pros vs. cons, or nutes or veg time or have anything specific to ask, shoot.

 

[GBOOST]

i notice some folks reply with bias yet they are newfound growers with first time experience with either system.

there is a very thin line between bias, facts and someone's opinion of fact (fanboyism?)

I don't know if you were implying me, but I just wanted to say I didnt mean to give that impression at all. I am a fan of many different systems, and I think anyone getting over 2.5, heck even 2lb per tree is on a good thing, and given development and tweaking could match dd's rdwc buckets. Given that roots need oxygen and nutrients, there is no reason that a well setup aero wouldn't produce similar results, it just hasn't been laid out for everyone like DD has done for us:rauch08:

Ozzie

 

[squarepusher]

ill clarify: given the same environment, would aeroponic yield more?

The hydroponic technical people discuss how aeroponics is theoretically the best. They will usually make mention quite often of the term "DO." However, I see the school of hard knocks with people lke Heath and DDS and the likes pumping out huge plants with great GPW ratio, without using aero. And I fail to see aero people competing, so is it a matter of aero people simlpy not trying?

The tree farmer made an amazing thread about aero trees, although he mentioned he wasn't happy with the results, it was only his first time trying and he has much to learn before he can max out.

Basically what I am getting at is, maybe aeroponics doesn't actually live up to its reputation in real world scenarios.

 

[mrdizzle]

I think they maybe a water usage issuse with trees. they might drink too much water to be feed with misting. are people misting 24/7 ?
I think people in general are scared of water, I tried to turn my northern friends onto it but they dont care how fast or big the plant get they would never risk losing a crop. Trees are making a come back so i am sure some people will start aero trees, there just arent a lot of people experimenting

 

[squarepusher]

I think they maybe a water usage issuse with trees. they might drink too much water to be feed with misting. are people misting 24/7 ?
I think people in general are scared of water, I tried to turn my northern friends onto it but they dont care how fast or big the plant get they would never risk losing a crop. Trees are making a come back so i am sure some people will start aero trees, there just arent a lot of people experimenting

a good pressure aero system will water only 2-3 seconds on every 5 minutes or so. They almost create a fog type that coats the entire root system ideally.

Aeroponics definitely uses less water, almost 50% more efficient and also more efficient with nutrients. However, I am not on a spaceship on the moon like NASA, so water isn't that expensive to me. I am not too interesting in being mor efficient with water.

Yes, I know what you mean. Some very experienced growers I know in cali, 20+ year veterans, still won't move out of soil. Why spoil something that works I guess is what they are thinking. Being a relatively new grower myself, I am looking for the "latest and greatest" so to speak =p