Jakes Rd.2 1000w 5 Plant Scrog

[erudite]

I'm asking questions because I'd like to know, I'm not interested in debating this as I said earlier. I've been running my veg tent 24/0 since I set my new space up and IME I can't tell a difference. You say 24/0 without a question is better and get on the defensive about it when asked a couple questions.
Journals are a resource of knowledge, knowledge should be shared because knowledge is power right? So, if you'd like to let us all know why you stand by 24/0 with such conviction.... that would be rad.

If its ultimately one of those “Yeah, well, that's just like … your opinion, man” things I wouldn't be surprised at all. In the end if there's a better way to do things than I currently do things I'd be a fool to not do things the better way.

 

[jakew215]

I'm asking questions because I'd like to know, I'm not interested in debating this as I said earlier. I've been running my veg tent 24/0 since I set my new space up and IME I can't tell a difference. You say 24/0 without a question is better and get on the defensive about it when asked a couple questions.
Journals are a resource of knowledge, knowledge should be shared because knowledge is power right? So, if you'd like to let us all know why you stand by 24/0 with such conviction.... that would be rad.

If its ultimately one of those “Yeah, well, that's just like … your opinion, man” things I wouldn't be surprised at all. In the end if there's a better way to do things than I currently do things I'd be a fool to not do things the better way.

i just told you why i use the lighting i use. are you talking to bobby? you and him use the same lighting schedule so why is anyone debating? i dont care what you guys use at this point.

imO i think the plant likes a little break. is it needed? obviously not.

 

[erudite]

I was talking to bobby, and not debating a thing. I'm asking someone a ? who I'm hoping has a real answer, not a "cause I say so" or an "IME" response which is probably what I'll get. So I guess I'm really wasting everyone's time and taking away from your journal.

but in all seriousness you're probably right, jake. good luck with your grow, I won't pollute the internets with my nonsense anymore.

 

[Bobby Smith]

erudite, I didn't say it's "better", I said it's faster.

Photosynthesis doesn't happen without light, so when you take away light, you take away from the plant's ability to grow.

I've actually just turned my lights down to 18/6 to slow down vegging because I'm ahead of schedule, so everything has its place in a grower's arsenal.

I'm going to veg my mothers under 18/6, because I'm not going to be running perpetually and won't need more than 120 clones every two months, which I can easily get on 18/6.

However, when my clones go into my system, they're going to be vegging 24/0, because it's a "race" to get them large enough to flower as soon as possible.

Sorry if you thought I was being defensive, I wasn't trying to be - anyways Jake, sorry for taking up the space in your journal.

 

[leadsled]

Looking good Jake.

For your information, Photosynthesis also happens at night. You can have more control over making your plants grow faster or slower using temp diff between day and night temps. Plants store energy then release it.

In the photosynthesis process itself, there is a reaction known as 'dark reaction' pathway or lately known as 'carbon reaction' pathway where the free energy of ATP and reducing power of NADPH, are used to fix and reduce CO2 to form carbohydrate. This is very important process to release Oxygen into the air. This happens in the dark or at night.

 

[jakew215]

rearranged the plants a little today. definitely starting to get the roots developed after the transplant a couple dys ago. saw lots of new growth over night. i think tomorrow is gonna be even crazier. im really excited about this run. should be getting co2 this week or next. gonna finish up the screen today hopefully and get it in the room and setup...

heres a picture from a few hours ago.
http://i40.invalid.com/albums/e243/jakew88/MyGrow/IMG_0564.jpg

 

[ronvmpc]

Nickname that bottom right one after me. your girls are definitely taking off. Looking gorgeous Jake.

 

[jakew215]

shes all yours ron... definitely the bushy one. the stalk on that one is amazing already... thanks for the comments. love to read em...

got my screen all buttoned up. im gonna be laying on my stomach to feed the girls now... lol. the screen took up every bit of room. hopefully i can fill it. i rearranged them AGAIN. thinking im gonna leave them like this now.

when should i untie the branches and let them start growing into the screen? after i flip and let them stretch into the screen or do i want the screen pretty much full before the flip? sorry i havent done much actual research on this, i will now but any tips would be great...

here's a real update. hour ago maybe...

http://i40.invalid.com/albums/e243/jakew88/MyGrow/IMG_0576.jpg

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Soul Train
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Afgan Goo
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Grape Grape
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Salmon Creek
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Blue Dream
RONVMPC
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[ronvmpc]

That RON DREAM looks scrumptious. I've scrog'd once so any info i give you about it would be amateur. I can tell you i trimmed after i filled the screen.

Sub'd

 

[Bobby Smith]

Jake, a simple flood table (undrilled) or even a DIY plywood/2x4s for lips/covered in pond liner would make feeding much, much easier.

Just pour the water into the tray and let the plants soak it up from the bottom, as opposed to going through what you're gonna have to go through to feed them.

Just my $.02.

 

[jakew215]

Jake, a simple flood table (undrilled) or even a DIY plywood/2x4s for lips/covered in pond liner would make feeding much, much easier.

Just pour the water into the tray and let the plants soak it up from the bottom, as opposed to going through what you're gonna have to go through to feed them.

Just my $.02.

honestly that was my original plan to just do a 4x4 table but the thing is im running 5 different strains. my last experience the afgan and BD fed wayyyy differently. and some just drink more water than the others. i am feeding really light this run so i probably wouldnt see much adverse effects but i still kinda just be 100% on top of each plant. if you get my drift.

 

[Bobby Smith]

Hey man, no worries on that - the more time you spend with your plants, the better.

As a certified lazy ass, I like to automate/simplify anything I can :)

 

[sfzoo]

^feeding them is going to be a pain. I once ran a trellise in a tent, just for support not for scrog. And i didn't account for watering. Bobby Smith speaks the truth, good advice.

 

[jakew215]

Ohhh yeah they are going like crazy now. think im just gonna un tie them at the end of this weeks let em start reaching for the screen then maybe a week after that flip them then let em stretch into the screen and and branched out.

and i crawled around in there today it really shouldnt be too bad. i plucked some dead material off and it really wasnt that bad, im glad i bought the biggest door i could. and i should have co2 SOON, im stoked on this addition. hopefully the buds really balloon out. think its possible to pull 2lbs out of a 5x5 screen in the situation i got going now? i was hoping for .5gpw, but if all goes smoothly i dont see why .7 or .8gpw isnt achievable? i mean whats my most limiting factor at this point from reaching a 1gpw average? is it plant count? veg time? the fact that im using soil? i guess what im asking is what i could approve upon on my next run if im not happy with this one...

heres some pics from this morning. they are growing FAST.
http://i40.invalid.com/albums/e243/jakew88/MyGrow/IMG_0584.jpg
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[Bobby Smith]

Lol, I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself, bro - I'd shoot for max quality first and worry about quantity later.

And as far as what you can improve upon for this run, I think you're gonna have to wait and see how it goes first, no?

Obviously hydro/aero is gonna give you a larger yield, all else equal, as will CO2 (if properly administered) - there's so many variables it's really difficult to say this early in the game.

BTW, how are you planning on administering CO2?

 

[jakew215]

Lol, I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself, bro - I'd shoot for max quality first and worry about quantity later.

And as far as what you can improve upon for this run, I think you're gonna have to wait and see how it goes first, no?

Obviously hydro/aero is gonna give you a larger yield, all else equal, as will CO2 (if properly administered) - there's so many variables it's really difficult to say this early in the game.

BTW, how are you planning on administering CO2?

the ghetto way... lol the quality was good enough to get mad donations last run. so im not too worried about that. I NEED MORE.

as for the co2 i was gonna put it at the lowest setting and put it on a timer with the tube right behind my oscilating fan. i think the low setting is .5cuft/min.

i know there are a lot of things such as soil amendments and what not that would help. but i dont see really whats hindering me from growing 2 lbs per 1k in soil. or has this just not been done? and i thought to my understanding that hydro didnt necessarily yield more but the rate of growth was increased substantially. so figuratively speaking a plant vegged in soil longer can yield the same as one in hydro... hence me already working on week four of veg, with a couple more weeks in mind. most hydro guys veg for a handful of weeks, not near two months.

 

[Bobby Smith]

Dynomite (sp.?) has a thread titled 2LBS/Light or something like that, and he grows in dirt.

Lotsa people do it, but it takes time.

And as far as your CO2 setup, could you elaborate a bit more on that? Just looking at your space, it doesn't seem to have a lot of the hardware (AC, dehumidifier, etc.) that you'd really want to be able to enrich properly.

I can't tell you if the "ghetto" way is a worthwhile endeavor because I've never tried it, but in all honesty I'd imagine it's gonna be more trouble than it's worth.

Without being able to know the amount of CO2 in your room and to be able to adequately contain the CO2 in there, I think you'd be wasting your money and probably just causing yourself unnecessary headaches.

Again, just my $.02.

 

[jakew215]

well there is no exhaust for the room currently. with the intake fan off it gets to about 87 degrees so with this fan off and the door closed i think it will contain co2 well enough to see a difference. i realize without a controller its just a guessing game of trial and error, i cant afford 350 for a controller right now.

so my thought was ill pump co2 in there and if the heat creeps too high ill turn my intake on and pump some cool air in there (about 72* air) and i realize this will pump some co2 out of cracks and what not because of the positive pressure.

and as for how often and how long ill run the co2? im not really sure yet. i found like a general rule formula for room deminsions and what not, im gonna try to go off that. im not too worried about going over 1500. we were planning on pumping a whole bottle into the room to kill all bugs, as i hear the plants can handle extreme amounts of co2. and the grow area is far from living spaces.

and co2 is fairly cheap. like 30 bucks a refill? if i have to change bottles every two weeks thats only like 1 ounce that the co2 will have to increase my yield to pay for. i think this is much more than achievable..

and as for the ac and dehumdy i dont see these as being required equipment to run co2.

my RH is around 25-35, never over 40. and never gets over 83 with fans on. my lung room is cooooool. even in 110 outside temps

 

[ronvmpc]

the environment is REALLY dry, like 20% humidity sometimes, usually around 30-37 though.

I'm jealous. My temps at 9 am. 86 degrees with 76% humidity. My Portable a/c is running 24/7 from now on.

 

[sfzoo]

jake, with the scrog, you want to veg a bit longer to fill out the screen. If you just flip and train the stretch, you'll lose out on more budsites.