doubleds 10 lb plant/room test.

[Venom818]

lol holy shit reading all this hoopla of dr gt vs dd is getting crazy...
over at RIU someone is pretending to be Chemdog and 100% of his post are supporting dr gt... thats a new low

DDs please come back to the farm

over at RIU someone is pretending to be Chemdog and 100% of his post are supporting dr gt... thats a new low

chemdog doesnt spell his name Chemdog from what i have seen

 

[doubleds]

Wow rockin the house DD. Is this your 13 dawgz or strait G13? ... on a side note do you care if I breed a male 13dawgz to the white, i don't plan on selling any of these beans I am just gonna keep a seed stock for myself for future runs to preserve these genetics

absolutely its ok, i hope you do well with them. Pick out the shortest male you get, that will be the closest pheno of g13

HELL YEAH, Thanks for bringing this grow back to the farm DD's I know everyone here loves your work!! How are the 50 gal res's working out as your mini res?? If thats the main factor (besides the original G-13) that ups your yield I might be going ahead with a different sized bucket experiment. I mean hell 2 of my plants have 4 sides of light, and have 2 of the sides are double stacked 600 under a 1k HPS but no 50 gal mini res. Hell even if it created 6-7lbs a plant it would still be s killer switch for me.

Thanks for stopping by DD's
Giddeon

Many of you remember me talking about the "dripline" and how it affects plant yield. This was the big problem jalisco kid and i had. Well i think these pics prove wht i have been saying all along. If you take a look at my old pics and notice the shape of the plant in the 60 litre res's and then take a look at these one's well..... you get the picture. I fully beleive that the bigger the area for the roots to grow the better yield you will get. I beleive i will prove this at the end of this grow whether i reach my goal or not. It was a very funny thing to see, i started these clones in 6 inch cubes on an ebb n flood table for 2 weeks then transferred them to the 50 gallon res's. The cuttings were 2 ft tall and about 8 inches wide. The plants did not gain any more than an inch or 2 in height in 17 days of veg but they grew sideways to close to 4 ft around. This further strengthens my case about the dripline as i beleive the plant will not grow vertically until its roots have reached out and touched the sides of the containers. I cant wait to try 100 gallon res's with double stacked lights.

cheers everyone

dds

 

[Giddeon]

Many of you remember me talking about the "dripline" and how it affects plant yield. This was the big problem jalisco kid and i had. Well i think these pics prove wht i have been saying all along. If you take a look at my old pics and notice the shape of the plant in the 60 litre res's and then take a look at these one's well..... you get the picture. I fully beleive that the bigger the area for the roots to grow the better yield you will get. I beleive i will prove this at the end of this grow whether i reach my goal or not. It was a very funny thing to see, i started these clones in 6 inch cubes on an ebb n flood table for 2 weeks then transferred them to the 50 gallon res's. The cuttings were 2 ft tall and about 8 inches wide. The plants did not gain any more than an inch or 2 in height in 17 days of veg but they grew sideways to close to 4 ft around. This further strengthens my case about the dripline as i beleive the plant will not grow vertically until its roots have reached out and touched the sides of the containers. I cant wait to try 100 gallon res's with double stacked lights.

cheers everyone

dds

Hell yeah man!!!! This is just the info I have been looking for!! I might have to change out the mini res's for my first run of the DAWGZ and go to a 50 inch center with 2 sides of 1k stacked with 600's and the other 2 I'm going to bust out a little bit of crazyness (will be posted soon)

DD's How do you feel using something such as my Main res (100 gal to the top) as an MPB mini res and using something like a 300 gal tank for a main res. Too big? I have been rolling this idea around in my head for a while now and with what you show it seems to be viable.

 

[MediMary]

what about with horizontal lighting dd's, have you ever try vegging the plants under a 1000 watt horizontal and once it gets to the height you are looking for then switching to verical lighting?
In my past experiences when I do vertical lighting my plants grow very little upwards regardless of the medium I am using, if using horizontal light I get very little lateral growth.. just wondering your thoughts on that..

 

[doubleds]

why is he posting over there??
that site is confusing... never seen a forum like that and i been on alot, took me a while to figure it out



damn i really dont understand why he thinks he is gonna get 10lbers. it really isnt much more light than he normally uses... i really thought he be stacking the 1ks and only going for one 10lber

you might be right bro but i am trying out my dripline theory to prove once and for all that yield is governed by root growth area. Let me try and explain.

I fully beleive purple/bubba kush is an excellent yielding plant but nobody knows how to grow it properly including me..... but i think i have figured it out.

when i grew some bubba's in the same system as my g13 i noticed how well it was doing and one day it just stopped. As a typical no patients grower i just chalked it up to not working well with the same nutes as i fed the g13. After i harvested and started pulling out the net pots i found that the root system of the bubba ws 5 times bigger than the g13. the g13 was twice the height, 4 times the width and yielded 4 times as much. I had to take a sharp knife and trim all the roots off the net pot b4 i could pull it out of the lid, the g13's i pulled out through the hole no problem. I beleive this is the key, once that 60 litre res was FULL of roots the plant just stopped producing. I then saw an urban grower (bc grows mostly bubba strains) and it showed bubbas about 6 ft tall, growing in a large garbage can and the garbage can was sitting on top of another huge container full of soil. This grower new his roots were restricted so he sat one garbge can on top of another and let the roots grow down to the next container. I hope to also prove this next round when i grow my reeferman purple kush in this system.

As i said at the start of this grow my record is 5lb 7 or 9 ounces... cant remember. I also stated that ionly got that 1 time, 1 plant out of 20 and havnt come close again in 1.5 years. If i can average at least that (all 4 plants) or get close to my goal on all 4 plants i will have proven my theory and growing cannabis will again have completely changed for me and hopefully help all of you. I beleive you are correct about double stacked lights, i beleive i will need them to hit 10 but because these plants are under 4 ft tall 1 bank of lights might be good enough and all i might have to add is a light directly overtop of the plant.

hope this helps and i have explained it correctly

dds

 

[NorcalTom]

Whats up DD,

Just saw your emails to the guy thats trying to sell your G-13. What a dumbass. You should sue him just to prove a point.

NCT

 

[swisscheese]

you might be right bro but i am trying out my dripline theory to prove once and for all that yield is governed by root growth area. Let me try and explain.

I fully beleive purple/bubba kush is an excellent yielding plant but nobody knows how to grow it properly including me..... but i think i have figured it out.

when i grew some bubba's in the same system as my g13 i noticed how well it was doing and one day it just stopped. As a typical no patients grower i just chalked it up to not working well with the same nutes as i fed the g13. After i harvested and started pulling out the net pots i found that the root system of the bubba ws 5 times bigger than the g13. the g13 was twice the height, 4 times the width and yielded 4 times as much. I had to take a sharp knife and trim all the roots off the net pot b4 i could pull it out of the lid, the g13's i pulled out through the hole no problem. I beleive this is the key, once that 60 litre res was FULL of roots the plant just stopped producing. I then saw an urban grower (bc grows mostly bubba strains) and it showed bubbas about 6 ft tall, growing in a large garbage can and the garbage can was sitting on top of another huge container full of soil. This grower new his roots were restricted so he sat one garbge can on top of another and let the roots grow down to the next container. I hope to also prove this next round when i grow my reeferman purple kush in this system.

As i said at the start of this grow my record is 5lb 7 or 9 ounces... cant remember. I also stated that ionly got that 1 time, 1 plant out of 20 and havnt come close again in 1.5 years. If i can average at least that (all 4 plants) or get close to my goal on all 4 plants i will have proven my theory and growing cannabis will again have completely changed for me and hopefully help all of you. I beleive you are correct about double stacked lights, i beleive i will need them to hit 10 but because these plants are under 4 ft tall 1 bank of lights might be good enough and all i might have to add is a light directly overtop of the plant.

hope this helps and i have explained it correctly

dds

My pk didn't stretch but a foot(maybe) just got wider and is seeming to be a decent yielder of rock hard purple nugs. Hey why didn't you ever respond to my pm's or keep your word about replacing my beaners, it's been over a year now I have been more than patient. I was a big fan of yours too and tried to be respectful and not have to act like this.

 

[UCtestn]

NICE to see this going again!

Will follow. I believe your theory is right. I've always said, use as big a pot or container possible!

 

[doubleds]

Hell yeah man!!!! This is just the info I have been looking for!! I might have to change out the mini res's for my first run of the DAWGZ and go to a 50 inch center with 2 sides of 1k stacked with 600's and the other 2 I'm going to bust out a little bit of crazyness (will be posted soon)

DD's How do you feel using something such as my Main res (100 gal to the top) as an MPB mini res and using something like a 300 gal tank for a main res. Too big? I have been rolling this idea around in my head for a while now and with what you show it seems to be viable.

sounds excellent to me, if i am proved right i will be doing the same

what about with horizontal lighting dd's, have you ever try vegging the plants under a 1000 watt horizontal and once it gets to the height you are looking for then switching to verical lighting?
In my past experiences when I do vertical lighting my plants grow very little upwards regardless of the medium I am using, if using horizontal light I get very little lateral growth.. just wondering your thoughts on that..

i veg with horizontal lights on my ebb n flo table but when i go to the buckets/res's then we have to use vertical to get those nice strong heavy yielding branches.

My pk didn't stretch but a foot(maybe) just got wider and is seeming to be a decent yielder of rock hard purple nugs. Hey why didn't you ever respond to my pm's or keep your word about replacing my beaners, it's been over a year now I have been more than patient. I was a big fan of yours too and tried to be respectful and not have to act like this.

I have completely given up on pm's as i get about 30 - 40 a day, as of right now i have 395 pm's sitting there. I dont have enough time to answer everybody's questions privately so it all has to be done in the forums. Sending me pm's is a waste of time, if i dont get on the farm for 4 - 5 days then i have 200 pm's sitting there. I am not a seed breeder bro, every once in a while, when i have room i pollinate a couple plants. once a year maybe every 2 years. I sent you a pm saying "when i run 13 dawgz again you will be the first one to get a replacement pack" Its kinda funny your the only person that said they got bad seeds, i habd picked them myself however, i will take your word for it. I will probably make more in october or november 2011. I just bought the last 10 packs back from a friend in ontario so i can give them to the peeps that helped out with this dr greenthumb thing. I apologise, forgot all about you as i havnt been around for a while.

dds

 

[swisscheese]

I just wanted a response sorry it took all that I appreciate the response. I'm not usually that much of an asshole I apologise as well.

 

[doubleds]

I just wanted a response sorry it took all that I appreciate the response. I'm not usually that much of an asshole I apologise as well.

thats coom sc, remember bro, i took 8 months off and had no contact with the marijuana community.

cheers mate

 

[Giddeon]

sounds excellent to me, if i am proved right i will be doing the same

dds

Looks like Im hunting for new mini-res's before the girls are ready to go in next run.:character0110: maybe a regen blower and a 3/4 hp chiller are needed as well ;)

 

[aleYarok]

you might be right bro but i am trying out my dripline theory to prove once and for all that yield is governed by root growth area. Let me try and explain.

I fully beleive purple/bubba kush is an excellent yielding plant but nobody knows how to grow it properly including me..... but i think i have figured it out.

when i grew some bubba's in the same system as my g13 i noticed how well it was doing and one day it just stopped. As a typical no patients grower i just chalked it up to not working well with the same nutes as i fed the g13. After i harvested and started pulling out the net pots i found that the root system of the bubba ws 5 times bigger than the g13. the g13 was twice the height, 4 times the width and yielded 4 times as much. I had to take a sharp knife and trim all the roots off the net pot b4 i could pull it out of the lid, the g13's i pulled out through the hole no problem. I beleive this is the key, once that 60 litre res was FULL of roots the plant just stopped producing. I then saw an urban grower (bc grows mostly bubba strains) and it showed bubbas about 6 ft tall, growing in a large garbage can and the garbage can was sitting on top of another huge container full of soil. This grower new his roots were restricted so he sat one garbge can on top of another and let the roots grow down to the next container. I hope to also prove this next round when i grow my reeferman purple kush in this system.

As i said at the start of this grow my record is 5lb 7 or 9 ounces... cant remember. I also stated that ionly got that 1 time, 1 plant out of 20 and havnt come close again in 1.5 years. If i can average at least that (all 4 plants) or get close to my goal on all 4 plants i will have proven my theory and growing cannabis will again have completely changed for me and hopefully help all of you. I beleive you are correct about double stacked lights, i beleive i will need them to hit 10 but because these plants are under 4 ft tall 1 bank of lights might be good enough and all i might have to add is a light directly overtop of the plant.

hope this helps and i have explained it correctly

dds

for sure! i like that this grow is more of a control to see how the drip line changes thing.
im growing bubba right now i completely understand what you are talking about. its the start of the 7th week right now... started moab last week which is supposed to make the buds explode... but i havent noticed much growth over the last week and half... the buckets are full... ding ding.

next run you should double stack 1ks and put a 1k overhead youll get 10lbers for sure!
glad you are posting on the farm DD, breedbay is confusing/lame

 

[aleYarok]

DD's How do you feel using something such as my Main res (100 gal to the top) as an MPB mini res and using something like a 300 gal tank for a main res. Too big? I have been rolling this idea around in my head for a while now and with what you show it seems to be viable.

why does the main res need to be 300 gal? imo id make it 50...
4 plants = 450 gallons is a shit load of water
700 gallons is ridiculous for 4 plants.

at this point some would say why even have a main res...
but id be nice to have a small 50gal one outside the room for mixing nutes ect...
but if you are getting 10lbers maybe you want each bucket a different strain...
oh god the possiblities

 

[Giddeon]

why does the main res need to be 300 gal? imo id make it 50...
4 plants = 450 gallons is a shit load of water
700 gallons is ridiculous for 4 plants.

at this point some would say why even have a main res...
but id be nice to have a small 50gal one outside the room for mixing nutes ect...
but if you are getting 10lbers maybe you want each bucket a different strain...
oh god the possiblities

I see it like this.....

I once heard that you need 1 gal of water per inch of fish you have in your tank so if you have 4 - 5 inch fish in your tank you will need roughly 20 gal of water to support healthy life for them, If you want to have more fish in a tank you get a sump system which can allow you to support more life in your smaller tank display. I took this knowledge and used it my MPB thinking. I thought of the mini-res's as your display tanks and your main res as the "sump system" You are trying to support healthy life of large producing plants so you need large amounts of water. The higher ratio of gallons of water running though the system to plants I feel will give you larger yields and bigger buds.

I guess we'll see

 

[doubleds]

why does the main res need to be 300 gal? imo id make it 50...
4 plants = 450 gallons is a shit load of water
700 gallons is ridiculous for 4 plants.

at this point some would say why even have a main res...
but id be nice to have a small 50gal one outside the room for mixing nutes ect...
but if you are getting 10lbers maybe you want each bucket a different strain...
oh god the possiblities

Your not thinking properly my friend. First, you cant use the lid that comes with the 100 gallon res, to flimsy and collapses when plant gets to heavy. You have to use a lid mde out of plywood covered in plastic with the hole for your net pot. ok, you lose some net pot height right there. The 100 gallon res is 4ft x 4ft and 12 inches tall. I am not sure typing this what the height of a net pot is but lets say 8 inches, so we have res, 12 inches and plywood 1/2 inch gives us a total of 12.5 inches minus 8 inches for net pot. that leaves 4.5 inches plus an inch of water in the bottom of the net pot for a TOTAL of 5.5 inches of nutes in your 100 gallon res.... so approx 45 gallons of water total per 100 gallon res for each plant. Dude, 8 - 3 lb plants per 24 hour period use 75 gallons of water at week 4 of flower when humidity is at a steady 40%.

Huge lesson here guys, you have to have a main res that you can fill on fri and only have to top up small amounts of water and nutes before you change out the system the following fri.

hope this helps mate

dds

 

[Giddeon]

Huge lesson here guys, you have to have a main res that you can fill on fri and only have to top up small amounts of water and nutes before you change out the system the following fri.

hope this helps mate

dds

Thanks DD's that sounds a lot better than I put it! Funny friday is my res change day as well:)

I found a 500 gal res that will fit in my door to come inside :) now just looking for a 100 gal mini res's that will stand up nicely!!

 

[Giddeon]

3 gal buckets vs. net-pots

DD's,
Why do you feel that the large net pot is better to be running in your system than the 3 gal buckets with hole in the bottom and a bit up the sides?? I kind of figured that any air to the upper root mass would in turn create tap roots which I have always read you are trying to stay away from taps in this system. Since you explain yourself so well I'm positive you can shed some light on this issue for me.

Thanks,
Giddeon

 

[doubleds]

Thanks DD's that sounds a lot better than I put it! Funny friday is my res change day as well:)

I found a 500 gal res that will fit in my door to come inside :) now just looking for a 100 gal mini res's that will stand up nicely!!

grotek res's are real nice, try hydrotek usa if thats where you live

DD's,
Why do you feel that the large net pot is better to be running in your system than the 3 gal buckets with hole in the bottom and a bit up the sides?? I kind of figured that any air to the upper root mass would in turn create tap roots which I have always read you are trying to stay away from taps in this system. Since you explain yourself so well I'm positive you can shed some light on this issue for me.

i had a few problems with the buckets holes getting clogged full and the drippers filling up the buckets and overflowing. I tried the 10 inch round net pots and havnt had a problem since.

peace

Thanks,
Giddeon

 

[Giddeon]

Here is a link to what I have found and have a feeling I'll go with.

http://www.horticulturesource.com/1...5977/?osCsid=4d7a4bd7257462ec58ad6c6a76c2316b

If i made a pvc rack of some sort to put inside the 100 gal res that will support the lid that is made for it could I get away from covering wood with plastic? I have had some mold problems doing just this in the past.