Do Users Outwiegh Growers? Supply and Demand.

[Simple]

Hello Farmers!

Newb to the farm here. Thought this would be a good intro thread.

So I have been a farmer for over 10 years now, and I believe we can all agree that the market is changing, constantly, and has really changed lately with all the regulations. That being said, ive read through greenmopho's thread of a price of a pound. And although it was locked, some of the points made are very intellectual and market savy. Therefore I thought I could reform the conversation in more general market terms, and try to get our minds moving forward, positively. In hopes this thread will not be closed.

Supply and demand... Who do you think controls the Colorado Market now? Given the current market here, I do believe that the market, unfortunately, is not in the hands of the true medical patients (medical patients, meaning people who dont feel the need to get so high that they almost fall on the ground in public, like at the HT Cup). Even though its fun, thats recreational.

I believe the market has evolved into this mass market. And we must evolve with it. Right?

Furthermore, its hard to educate patients on what is dank and what is mass market pumped nastiness. Names (genetics) and Marketing seems to be everything.

What the growers say, doesn't always make it to the patients ears. And what we say doesnt seem to matter anymore, to the dispensaries. In the old days, shit a year ago, dispensaries moved on every word the farmers said. But not anymore...

How does our information get to the consumer? How can we outweigh the dispensaries? How can we have a free market where the consumer is not being pumped propaganda? Is this even possible in Colorado anymore?

 

[ChickenJoe]

being a different model, than say cali, im pretty sure the first few raids that take place at dispensaries will clear all these restaurant owners turn dispensary owners out of the business. As long as Obama stays in office we've got a few years before i see that happening.

Until then i see laws restricting caregivers getting worse and worse because since we dont pay taxes on what we make our voice doesnt count. The dispensaries are paying SOME taxes and the laws will favor them for the most part.

All just my opinion and i personally dont care anymore. My patients are happy, their friends are happy and the cops have seen my grow and they are happy. To hell with everything else. Ive got other crap going on in my life to worry about! lol

:harvest::harvest::harvest::harvest:

 

[sky high]

being a different model, than say cali, im pretty sure the first few raids that take place at dispensaries will clear all these restaurant owners turn dispensary owners out of the business

DING, DING, DING...we have a winner!

 

[SoCoMMJ]

DING, DING, DING...we have a winner!

That really hasn't been the case in any other med state. Raids on dispensaries, as well as private growers, have not been a detriment.

 

[DoobyScoo]

I believe the market has evolved into this mass market. And we must evolve with it. Right?

It's always been a mass market, bro.
It's just the definition of the word 'Mass' and 'Market' changes.
Remember when 'Beasters' meant 'good shit'.
Hell I still remember when I was buying bricked Mexi at 14 years old, and thought it was 'good shit', cause even though it was seeded to high hell, it was stickiest shit I'd seen in a while.
The laws, and most dispensaries, aren't helping the educational process. Bringing it back to the Calvin model.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlVBxve_1M8

 

[sky high]

That really hasn't been the case in any other med state. Raids on dispensaries, as well as private growers, have not been a detriment.

It's pretty clear that you don't >want< to believe that the Federal Policy against the "commercial" side of this equation could very well be enforced. I can't say I blame you...and maybe nothing will happen...

then again.... the recent Federal memos are >very< fresh.

BTW....>nowhere< in any of these memos did it target individual (private) use or cultivation.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

I see the Dispensary owners as the ones with the bullseye on their backs, especially the ones with way more lights than they could possibly sell meds for out the front of the Dispo. The ones following the rules, and keeping it honest might not be targeted, only because there are so many running nigh 100 lights at mutiple locations, "supposedly only selling medical" but oh so obviously not. They will take the heat, not the Caregivers or the legit Dispensary owners.

If you're the DEA it's not, "How can we make a bust?" but, "Which bust is going to be a multi-state deal, (FEDERAL LAW APPLIES) and look legit on T.V., and to the general public?" That's the question they would be asking...... they're P.R. hungry too, just like everyone else who's job gets questioned.

As for the question, Who controls the market? it's the one who has the biggest share of it, the most lbs, in this case. Whoever that is, is setting the price for the rest of us, to some degree. Definitely not the patients, they probably only purchase 10% of what gets grown.

 

[canaguy27]

Until then i see laws restricting caregivers getting worse and worse because since we dont pay taxes on what we make our voice doesnt count.

Look at hb1043. All caregivers will have to register their grow locations and pass all inspections. This is gong into effect July 1.

 

[SoCoMMJ]

And I believe that the CDPHE is attempting to revamp the definition of caregivers providing significant care. Currently providing medical marijuanaby itself is considered significant care, but not if CDPHE has their way.

Not sure where this is at in the process, but a couple weeks back the CDPHE board rejected the definition provided by the task force that would have allowed status quo.

 

[canaguy27]

Not sure where this is at in the process

it is pretty much a done deal. Caregivers should already begin keeping records of the extra stuff they are doing for their patients. The other stuff wil pass with 1043. You can thank Josh Stanley, budding health, and other members of the MMIG for this shit. BOYCOTT MMIG mmcs and especially Buding Health!

 

[cardrack111]

how are edible recs holding up? or does it depend on county.

 

[canaguy27]

how are edible recs holding up? or does it depend on county.

They can hold up, but prepared for an arrest and open your wallet to pay your new attorney. I wouldn't rely on it unless I had cancer or other SERIOUS illness. They allow you to argue an affirmative defense. They are not an automatic pass like you may have by following the 3/3 rule and possessing a red card.

 

[cardrack111]

if i stay a caregiver, is the grow location that i give them confidential? and will they stop by to check out my grow?

 

[sky high]

Option #1

Cancel your caregiverships.

Retain your "friends" as your "friends"

SHARE your garden space with those "friends". Tag their plants with their card #. There is currently nothing prohibiting the sharing of garden space by patients.

Option #2

Keep your patients and ...

work up about...oh...a 50 PAGE electronic "caregiver services I perform" document that can easily be shared and reproduced among patients.

This document would then be FILLED with all sorts of info and sent in whenever required.

you know....MASSIVE amounts of grocery reciepts...gas reciepts...pharmacy reciepts..doctors visit reciepts..parking recipets..Burger King reciepts....

FUCKIN A'.....JUST ATTACH ANY GODDAMN RECIEPT YOU GET FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING YOU BUY (for your patient..naturally)!!

Then there are the PHOTOS I've talked about previously.... I mean..."a picture say a thousand words"...right? and my Godd....with all of these extra duties to perform...rather than detailing in WRITING that you wiped that ass or changed that fem napkin...take a digi photo and let em see ya in ACTION. (Color photos only, please)

the goal would be to get as many caregivers to join in as possible... and specifically...for EACH CAREGIVER TO MAKE THEIR PACKET AS >>>THICK<<< AS POSSIBLE

MAKE THOSE FUCKERS HATE LIFE down there at the CDPHE!!!

MAKE THEM WALLOW DAILY IN THEIR DESIRE TO TEAR US DOWN

There HAS TO BE a way to fight back/protest with EVERY send, my friends.

 

[mendel]

Hows about we grow 3 or 6 3 pounders apiece in our back yard and shine them motherfuckers on. I have not met a patient yet who would bat an eye at being dropped for 'legal' reasons, as long as their medical requirements are being met.

'Yes, those are my three plants officer, sorry they are so big. Oh, those other three, there my old lady's.' :harvest:

Im tired of the states shitty attitude and the blowback from asshole profiteers. Im taking my ball home and growing a tree or 6. Fuck em, they are a bunch of thieves. We throw the blue collar criminals in jail, and send the white collar criminals to the capital. They are trash. In a few weeks these cogressional lice and their minions will be crawling all over the state sucking dick for campaign funds.

fascist police-state bullshit.

Starve those fucks, deny them their tribute. They produce nothing and provide no service, they are self aggrandizing parasites.

its that or, or.......nevermind..........:sign0023:

 

[canaguy27]

if i stay a caregiver, is the grow location that i give them confidential? and will they stop by to check out my grow?

It will be at the cdphe and is not afforded the same confidentiality bc it is not under am20. They will check it out because it has to pass electrical, fire, etc inspections. Just like mmcs. Oh and it must be zoned correctly too, so it will be a ban on residential growing more than likely.

 

[Simple]

Growers, thanks for everyones thoughts. good stuff. I will respond to some of the market points, but I would like to say a few things first.

I've been doin the family thing a bit lately so havent had much time to respond like sky high. But it feels so good to be in a community, online or not, where we can discuss these things and have dialogs and create new paths and new works of art.

here's the thing. First off. I want to be positive. I want to move forward. I am asking these questions because I am a grower and im not growing anymore. Because of the laws and Its not worth it to me to grow small scale or even mid scale, anymore.

like some others. I have been put on the floor with a gun to the back of my head. Ive been tossed to the ground by six undercover cops just for smokin a joint. And then spent four days in jail. (story to come another thread another time) Therefore im done with this bullshit of quasi legalness. I dont have hundreds of thousands of dollars to invest. although I have made my share. im done yakkin and bitchin about how dispensaries suck. Its like a fired employee talkin shit about the old company. Ya at first you sympathize with the person. but if they continually bitch about how their "boss" who used to pay them sucks...what do we say? Move on

I think what im trying to say is that the "caregiver" model is not worth it anymore. Im trying to think outside the box. Outside the HB 1284 box. And the caregiver level. Im a farmer. I dont have the time to do the new "caregiver things" I educate my buyers as much as I can about high quality clean marijuana. but i cant rub someones back, or get their groceries for them

- No disrespect to the fellas/ladies that are growin the dankness of the dankness and it heals the hell outta the pains that they go through. Im just sayin, I have a family. I need to make money. And I want to be as legal safe and secure as possible. And thats obviously not in Colorado.

I dont want to rag on dispensaries. There is a thread for that. I believe we need to move away from that bullshit honestly. Ive done that before, Ive said my peace. Im movin on. Ive been in contact with cali arizona and michigan. And spain on the odd ball out for that matter. Its either that or join the dark side.

Im in this because I love to grow, for the medicine, because I shit blood every week or so because of a malformed stomach. I also went to business school. So I take this shit seriously. And I do know when its time to "cut your loses" and move on. One of my favorite quotes is "You cant play a game with someone who can and will change the rules of the game while you are playing the game." So, couldnt we say that we are the MMCs puppets now? if we play their game, and expect different results while doing the same tactic! hello insanity!

So, Moving forward...

As for the question, Who controls the market? it's the one who has the biggest share of it, the most lbs, in this case. Whoever that is, is setting the price for the rest of us, to some degree. Definitely not the patients, they probably only purchase 10% of what gets grown.

Good point man. So, wouldnt us growers want to grow big or go home? legaly? Ive done the perpetual harvests. pullin little perpetual harvests every two weeks of two to four lbs. Havin dispensaries begging for me to grow more shit and always come to them. I have my formulas and my genetics. But its not like that anymore. WE (meaning farmers in colorado) dont control the market anymore. We used to be growing the most. collectively. but with the new model. Dispensaries are. They control the crop. they control the sharehold of the market. regarless of the "quality" or "niceness" of dispensaries, if they grow the most then they own the market. End of story. Move on. Either penetrate and change from within. Good luck. or move on to another state where we can grow big.

Those are my two options. Anyone have any other ideas? Lets get this thread goin on a positive rant of ideas. not another dispensary bashing and lets see if we can make a way around THEIR rules. Grow big hahahahaha

 

[DoobyScoo]

Or, think of it as a way to help a whole NEW generation of growers prosper.
Use your skills and teach some men to fish, who don't mind having shit in their name.
Just a thought.
Get pushed, push back.

"I get older, they stay the same age."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo4kDrWBa6c

 

[sky high]

I LIVE in Colorado.

I own properties here.

I raised my family here.

I have a stake here.

My life, thankfully, is about MORE than growin pot.

Plain and simple....to anyone thinking about leavin' Colorado....

It was good >before< you came and fucked it all up.... and it'll be >better< after you leave. I feel SORRY for the next State you move to..solely to fuck up THEIR gig like ya did ours...but hey...some folks just have no 'nads and >always< migrate to the >easy<.

don't let the doorknob hit ya in the ass as ya leave...

 

[Simple]

Moving on... I have written Sky high a PM because I searched threads she/he has posted on and the drama that she/he has turned into is not needed in this thread. I want to be positive and sky highs agenda of bashing people and treating colorado like her red headed bitch, seems to be different. SO I have PMed he/she in order to take their rant away from this thread. In hopes he/she may cure their sickening disease of BOULDERITIS! hahahaha And chill the hell out. Stop smokin those sativas you make over there and smoke some chill out indicas yo.


Okay so I wanted to throw out a few ideas this morning. What do people think of the idea of a "union" of growers dispensary? Not a Union itself. but a type of company/MMC that consisted of all the caregivers/growers (or even just a small group of elites) that dont want to be with a restraunt owner or what not? Something like that?