the use of molasses

[jeffadies]

plants do not intake sugar no if ands or buts
no way no how ....all you have to do is read plant biology
plants use sunlight ,water and co2 to make sucrose to give to benies for nutes carbs are for soil or coco or organic to feed the fungus and microbes in it .........it kills me to see people use carbs in hydro

CHLEATING = what microbes do to minerals in soil so plants can intake them and in return get sugar

all hydro nutes are chleated this eleminates the need for benies
also why they grow so fast its like mainlining the plant food
but it starves benies its a industry scheam

benies in a hydro (waterworking system ) is a snake oil same with carbs in hydro if you add benies and carbs they interact with each other not the plants its a scheam read plant biology and how roots and plants work and not the adds at the hydro store lol

sorry dont meen to offend anyone I just see this post pop up alot :mad0233:

I was under the impression that in soil molasses and things of that nature were used to feed the microbial life in the soil and not so much the plant. is that true or no?

 

[freegrow]

yes very true plants make sugar they dont eat it

 

[Seamaiden]

You know, I've been questioning this assertion that so many growers make, and I was able to find papers that show that plants do uptake sugars. Not all plants, not all sugars, but they do. I had been using sugars previously simply to feed microbes. I am learning that I may be doing more than that.

Want the papers? Wait... no, too many papers to link. Would you like the Google Scholar link so you can choose which papers/abstracts to read? I've found a journal publication, too, speaking specifically about ferns.

The more I'm reading, the clearer it becomes that it depends on the plant and it depends on the sugars, and it also depends on the growth stage of the plant. Damn!

 

[Jalisco Kid]

And chelation. JK

 

[GanjaGardener]

carbo loading.

i'd have to agree that plants uptake sugars. over apply molasses and see what happens to your buds.

I don't know the process. maybe the plant uptakes the CHO in a different chain but whatever the case, the CHO ends up as a sugar up top.

 

[freegrow]

You know, I've been questioning this assertion that so many growers make, and I was able to find papers that show that plants do uptake sugars. Not all plants, not all sugars, but they do. I had been using sugars previously simply to feed microbes. I am learning that I may be doing more than that.

Want the papers? Wait... no, too many papers to link. Would you like the Google Scholar link so you can choose which papers/abstracts to read? I've found a journal publication, too, speaking specifically about ferns.

The more I'm reading, the clearer it becomes that it depends on the plant and it depends on the sugars, and it also depends on the growth stage of the plant. Damn!

yes that is sometimes do to osmoses if plants brix levels are low and sugar is added to medium through osmoses sugar inters the plant in anuals that is as I understand it ..........yes would like to read it seamaiden ty

carbo loading.

i'd have to agree that plants uptake sugars. over apply molasses and see what happens to your buds.

I don't know the process. maybe the plant uptakes the CHO in a different chain but whatever the case, the CHO ends up as a sugar up top.

their are nutes in molasses its not just sugar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molasses#Cane_molasses

 

[Seamaiden]

There are nutrients in other sugars, too, like malted barley extract. I didn't bookmark the search, let me get on that and hopefully I'll pull up the same stuff.

Ok! This time I'm thinking I actually like how Google will prepopulate your shit for you.

Google Scholar: Plants uptake sugars.

Glucose uptake by maize roots and its transformation in the rhizosphere.

Absorption of sugars by plant tissues.

Existence of two parallel mechanisms for glucose uptake in heterotrophic plant cells.

Oh damn! Here's a paper stating that plant uptake of amino acids via roots is already well established. Now I can't remember who was telling me that's impossible, but this is for that person (who are you?!?).

Dissolved organic nitrogen uptake by plants--an important N uptake pathway?

 

[Sunbiz1]

yes that is sometimes do to osmoses if plants brix levels are low and sugar is added to medium through osmoses sugar inters the plant in anuals that is as I understand it ..........yes would like to read it seamaiden ty



their are nutes in molasses its not just sugar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molasses#Cane_molasses

Hmm

Maybe I need to back off a bit on good old Grandma's M,

"Blackstrap molasses is a source of calcium, magnesium, potassium, and iron; one tablespoon provides up to 20% of the daily value of each of those nutrients.[3] Blackstrap has long been sold as a health supplement".

 

[Seamaiden]

Is it broke?

 

[freegrow]

There are nutrients in other sugars, too, like malted barley extract. I didn't bookmark the search, let me get on that and hopefully I'll pull up the same stuff.

Ok! This time I'm thinking I actually like how Google will prepopulate your shit for you.

Google Scholar: Plants uptake sugars.

Glucose uptake by maize roots and its transformation in the rhizosphere.

Absorption of sugars by plant tissues.

Existence of two parallel mechanisms for glucose uptake in heterotrophic plant cells.

Oh damn! Here's a paper stating that plant uptake of amino acids via roots is already well established. Now I can't remember who was telling me that's impossible, but this is for that person (who are you?!?).

Dissolved organic nitrogen uptake by plants--an important N uptake pathway?

thanks seamaiden will read all this :hi

 

[GanjaGardener]

y
their are nutes in molasses its not just sugar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molasses#Cane_molasses

Thanks for setting that detail straight. Although I do have that part down, it may prove helpful to someone who doesn't.

Hmm

Maybe I need to back off a bit on good old Grandma's M,

"Blackstrap molasses is a source of calcium, magnesium, potassium, and iron; one tablespoon provides up to 20% of the daily value of each of those nutrients.[3] Blackstrap has long been sold as a health supplement".

I get ag molasses in 5 gal pails from a Farm Supply. at about $5/ gal. It's thicker because it's further up in the process chain than what humans generally consume and my guess is that it contains a higher nute value.
If buying bulk doesn't fit in w/ your program, Brer Rabbit contains about twice the nute value of Grandmas, at least it did when I checked the labels a couple of years back. I never knew quite what to do w/ the "daily nutritional values". I know that %'s could be extrapolated but never did the calculations and have taken the approach of "knowing that they are there", but not really adjusting for them per se.

 

[GanjaGardener]

I've posted this pic in a couple of threads already- maybe even in this one.

 

[GanjaGardener]

There are nutrients in other sugars, too, like malted barley extract. I didn't bookmark the search, let me get on that and hopefully I'll pull up the same stuff.

Ok! This time I'm thinking I actually like how Google will prepopulate your shit for you.

Google Scholar: Plants uptake sugars.

Glucose uptake by maize roots and its transformation in the rhizosphere.

Absorption of sugars by plant tissues.

Existence of two parallel mechanisms for glucose uptake in heterotrophic plant cells.

Oh damn! Here's a paper stating that plant uptake of amino acids via roots is already well established. Now I can't remember who was telling me that's impossible, but this is for that person (who are you?!?).

Dissolved organic nitrogen uptake by plants--an important N uptake pathway?

We search alike. Thanks for, yet, another mind bender.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Thanks for setting that detail straight. Although I do have that part down, it may prove helpful to someone who doesn't.

I get ag molasses in 5 gal pails from a Farm Supply. at about $5/ gal. It's thicker because it's further up in the process chain than what humans generally consume and my guess is that it contains a higher nute value.
If buying bulk doesn't fit in w/ your program, Brer Rabbit contains about twice the nute value of Grandmas, at least it did when I checked the labels a couple of years back. I never knew quite what to do w/ the "daily nutritional values". I know that %'s could be extrapolated but never did the calculations and have taken the approach of "knowing that they are there", but not really adjusting for them per se.

Thanks for the tips!

My concern is, how much is overdoing it?. I have used up to 2 tbsp/gal of water with good results in place of all these high priced bloom boosters...yet I'm not sure how much potassium etc. plants will tolerate/absorb.

What is your ag dosage, and how often?.

Thanks again

 

[GanjaGardener]

What is your ag dosage, and how often?.

Thanks again

You bet. First off though, I'd heed Seamaiden's advice- "Is it broken?"
My standard dosage, (added during aeration) is 2 Tbs/4 gal tea for every feed. 3 Tbs if it's microbe heavy. I no longer add it on water only days- just go w/ straight RO.

Human nature being what it is, over applying is more likely when working w/ a large, inexpensive supply, particularly at first, than it is when metering out Tbs from a $4, 12 oz bottle.

Ahh, almost forgot. Overdoing it. 1 cup or more/ 5 gals for 2-3 feeds or more is what taught me that molasses can be over applied. However, even at that rate, not all of the strains showed the "rock candy" buds- just blueberry in the run I had probs with. It popped and burned black but some people actually liked the weed and wanted more. Go figure.

 

[Sunbiz1]

You bet. First off though, I'd heed Seamaiden's advice- "Is it broken?"
My standard dosage, (added during aeration) is 2 Tbs/4 gal tea for every feed. 3 Tbs if it's microbe heavy. I no longer add it on water only days- just go w/ straight RO.

Human nature being what it is, over applying is more likely when working w/ a large, inexpensive supply, particularly at first, than it is when metering out Tbs from a $4, 12 oz bottle.

Ahh, almost forgot. Overdoing it. 1 cup or more/ 5 gals for 2-3 feeds or more is what taught me that molasses can be over applied. However, even at that rate, not all of the strains showed the "rock candy" buds- just blueberry in the run I had probs with. It popped and burned black but some people actually liked the weed and wanted more. Go figure.

Ah yes,

I think I recall you posting in another thread regarding the popping, haven't experienced that as of yet. So if one cup=16 tbsp, then you used approximately 3 tbsp/gal to "OD it" without any apparent negative affects from the calcium and other minerals.

Well OK then...nothing broke here. I use 2 tbsp/gal for indoor 5-7 gal soil grows

TY again.

I wonder if there is a granular version of molasses or a variation I can use for in-ground plants. Normally I would feed tea, but we've had a shitload of rain and the soil is fully saturated. Or, why not use it straight for this application?....particularly when surrounded by dozens of other native plants feeding as well.

 

[GanjaGardener]

Ah yes,

I think I recall you posting in another thread regarding the popping, haven't experienced that as of yet. So if one cup=16 tbsp, then you used approximately 3 tbsp/gal to "OD it" without any apparent negative affects from the calcium and other minerals.

Well OK then...nothing broke here. I use 2 tbsp/gal for indoor 5-7 gal soil grows

TY again.

I wonder if there is a granular version of molasses or a variation I can use for in-ground plants. Normally I would feed tea, but we've had a shitload of rain and the soil is fully saturated. Or, why not use it straight for this application?....particularly when surrounded by dozens of other native plants feeding as well.

Got me goin' now. (w/ Ray Davies in the background) Molasses comes in a couple of dry forms. Google "dry" "dehydrated" "powdered" However, it's not for direct application. 2 B honest, (and I can only see it, because I'm always seeing it in myself), you're over analyzing and, perhaps, a bit too over concerned w/ the problem at this point. I think you're solid and I'd move on to another area that needs worrying about. LOL!

 

[OneRedCup]

Sucanat is what you are looking for. It is dehydrated molasses. It is sold in health food stores. 1tsp per gallon when watering during weeks 5-8. I grow in Super Soil and do not add anything else. The taste is improved over previous grows without it.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Got me goin' now. (w/ Ray Davies in the background) Molasses comes in a couple of dry forms. Google "dry" "dehydrated" "powdered" However, it's not for direct application. 2 B honest, (and I can only see it, because I'm always seeing it in myself), you're over analyzing and, perhaps, a bit too over concerned w/ the problem at this point. I think you're solid and I'd move on to another area that needs worrying about. LOL!

I moved on to supp lighting. But I'm still going bring a jar of Granny on my next trip to the woods...figure it couldn't hurt to pour a bit before a good rain...lol

 

[Seamaiden]

Ah yes,

I think I recall you posting in another thread regarding the popping, haven't experienced that as of yet. So if one cup=16 tbsp, then you used approximately 3 tbsp/gal to "OD it" without any apparent negative affects from the calcium and other minerals.

Well OK then...nothing broke here. I use 2 tbsp/gal for indoor 5-7 gal soil grows

TY again.

I wonder if there is a granular version of molasses or a variation I can use for in-ground plants. Normally I would feed tea, but we've had a shitload of rain and the soil is fully saturated. Or, why not use it straight for this application?....particularly when surrounded by dozens of other native plants feeding as well.

Yes, and you can get divorced from Molasses if you want to and can marry Malted Barley Extract, in "liquid" (incredibly thick, good luck pouring it unless it's at least 105*), panocha/panela (a cone of cane sugar), palm and date sugars. Or you can stay married to Molasses and get dry molasses.
http://www.amazon.com/GreenSense-Dry-Molasses-50-lb/dp/B00025H2T0

If you do go the dry sugar route, do some calculations before making teas or applying. It's a much denser/saturated sugar, no more solution, and so a lot less can go a long way. Or, you can experiment with making it into a syrup again. I've done that with the sugar cones, it's a lot easier than standing there under your plants with a fucking grater, furiously grating sugar under them like you're grating Parmesan onto spaghetti.

You can also get dry malted barley extract. I've used all but refined sugar and powdered sugar to great effect. This year, not so much sugar because I keep forgetting!