Our World

[vierundzwanzig]

For me it's very simple.

Survival of the fittest.

To put it plainly--in countries like Pakistan for instance where recently our government has said that "it's patience is wearing thin" in terms of their allowing it to be a hotbed for terrorist training, recruitment, and general activity.

To my mind both the government AND the people are complicit with this process, and that is enough to warrant blowing them all the smithereens in my opinion. If we justified an attack this way I can promise you that it'd be the last time a country wondered whether or not it's a good idea to allow hatred for America (with intent of violent action against it) to breed in their country.

To me, the silence of the citizens in these countries is as good as them being a part of the problem themselves.

As for the comparison to the British Empire, yes I realize they crashed and burned--but they pushed their OWN people too far and they stood up against them. It's literally a point and case of what countries like Pakistan, Syria, and Iran should do. They should stand up for what is right, etc.

I realize they have guns trained on them--yes, so did my seven times great grandfather back in the revolutionary war.

The Brits were likely never going to be conquered by a foreign power. Their biggest problem with us was the logistics of fighting a war across an ocean from your home base. That's what sunk them--not their dirty practices.

To me it's not dirty. Right and wrong is relative when it comes to war.

If they want to kill us, kill them. It's that easy for me.

If there was a destroy Iran button--I'd push it happily. It'd ultimately save American lives--that's priority one for me.

if you are one of them (button pushers) as it seems you are.
what do you eat and feed your children to ensure their fitness? i ask because as a scientist/educated man you should know the dangers of eating like an american.

we've been poisoned and falsely educated to the point where someone like sqwuiggly knows the tools of the trade but not the manor in which they were used on him.

our government? you must be one of them! just like the slaves that said
" is we sick "when the master was ill <--- that's not science just history repeating itself.

about the british and us war thing
um ok dude they sent their unruly cousins and kooks to start a diversion that has lasted 2hundred36 ys

I think dirks intention was to broaden horizons of thought without the science and number crunching being brought in. come to think of it science is anal taint it.
that's what they do.

yeah OUR WORLD is not your grid on the map but the condition/position of your heart.
take spain for example they have great food hot women and beaches. plenty of OUR people are there now. the money they asked for in bailouts from the eu will make me look at them (partying and what not) like really? you needed that money for what? that's my money

it was 20 or 30 years ago when we were warned/told/prodded to think globally.
use your left brain to think right lies and what not are on the right.<----thomas dolby
she blinded me with SCIENCE

great thread dirk

 

[dirk d]

Cancer has caused so much suffering in this country. I myself have lost several family members to cancer and seen the horrendous life and death they went through using "modern" medicine. I see no reason why cancer is even an issue anymore in this world. We can split the atom but we can't find a cure for anything??? Big Business enslaving the people for their own greed. How much $$$ is enough???

 

[dirk d]

I always heard that you don't get skin cancer from the sun. You get it from the sunscreen. Really made lots of sense to me. As our largest organ, our skin, it is the pathway to everything inside us. What we put on our skin is as important as what we put in our stomachs. I mean really, is there an epidemic of melanoma in Africa??

http://news.menshealth.com/sunscreen-controvers/2012/05/19/

 

[dirk d]

Here is a product I switched to after reading about anti-perspirants and deodarants. It is absolutely amazing how much poison is in our homes labeled by the FDA as safe???wtf??

http://www.thecrystal.com/crystal_insights.cfm
I use this after taking a shower. Your skin needs to be moist otherwise you will have to run it under some water. Has worked beautifully for over a month now. Now the great thing is that this single "bar" lasts a year lol. not very good for the $$$ cow product lol. Now if you don't like taking showers daily then you might smell some stank lol So it's a good barometer that it's time to take a shower! lol.

 

[dirk d]

Nice Beezie, I love my new deodarant lol. You know I used to think like you. What does it really fing matter anyway?? I can't do shit about it so let me just focus on myself. But It does matter, and if we don't express our concerns NOW, then 20 years from now this country will be a lot worse. Corporations will continue to use Americans as guinea pigs and when no more $$$ can be extracted from them, they will be sent off to die in the slaughter houses.

Whether there are conspiracies or not, I believe, is not even in question anymore. It's more about who is responsible and what can we do as a collective to keep our liberties safe and our Constituion in line with what our founding fathers drafted.

 

[dirk d]

I found this just looking around and thought it was interesting.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15974_7-insane-conspiracies-that-actually-happened.html

 

[Dirty White Boy]

"I mean really, is there an epidemic of melanoma in Africa??"

You have got to be kidding me.....that is one of the most ignorant things ive read all in awhile. Africa has one of the highest rates of cancer in the world. It has the almost literally zero cancer prevention or care. Less than half the states in Africa something like i think 21 of the 50+ states even have a caner center or place to even treat cancer. With the Aids/HIV epidemic cancer rates caused by the aids/hiv has blown up to like 300-400% from what it was just 10 years ago and those are stats taken from only the richest states in africa areas that actually have hospitals and treatment centers, anyone in a state with no care dies a terrible wasting away death and are never even counted in the bottomline. By 2020 it will account for more than half all individuals dying from cancer in the world. And yes many MANY MANY people in Africa have skin cancer caused by being exposed too the sun too much......jesus christ......


Where the fuck are these slaughter houses? "corporations" these huge "people" who are taking your money and fucking your ass every morning are just people smarter than you. New corporations form everyday, everyhour, every second almost by people just like me and you. Its called the free market. The government isnt forcing you too wipe your ass with a certain type of toilet paper like rand paul so loves to say in his speeches. FDA certainly aint right but its there for a reason, how would removing the FDA stop someone from putting poison in your products, taking away FDA would guarantee youd get more poisons in your products, reforming the FDA is a much better idea, making things more transparent is another obvious factor. I wanna know what the fuck is in my food, i dont wanna have to search the internet or books for weeks to figure out the process.

We are in the middle of the biggest entrepreneurial booms in the history of man, those kids who said hey instead of camping out in a fucking park like a loser dipshit to protest ill start a business. Dont doubt the smart kids and young adults in the upcoming generation. Were already taking over from the inside out. Lipitor can only keep these olds fucks alive for so long. Shit takes time not gunna happen overnight, like most want.

 

[sanvanalona]

Hey DWB, I think that dirk was referring to skin cancer in Africa, or any hot part of the world for that matter. Which he is right to a degree, that its harder for Africans, Latinos, people of tropic weather to get skin cancer, just not impossible. Here is a little info about skin cancer:

http://cancer.about.com/od/skincancermelanoma/tp/skincancerfacts.htm

 

[Dirty White Boy]

Im fortunate I sell edible mushrooms through farmers markets and hunt. But yea gotta be careful how your veggies are grown there are incredibly potent and dangerous products used by some that can permeate the cell walls of plants. And youve also gotta be careful of organics as well, not everything organic is safe, Ive even heard of people getting sick by some fruit that had been sprayed with a stagnant compost tea.

 

[dirk d]

I have actually changed my diet since my uncle passed away, god bless his soul, several years ago. I used to be a HUGE meat eater. Being from the middle east there is not much of anything with chemicals on our foodstock. I now buy only free range chicken, hormone free and not CORN FED. That is my #1 choice of meat. My meat is only free range and hormone/antibiotic free as well. My toothpaste is flouride free and my water is filtered in my home. I even make my own organic soaps! which i highly recommend to everyone. And Organic fruits and vegetables have an amazing taste that will blow you away! lol Imagine that doesn't poison your body AND tastes amazing lol.

I will address DWB in a bit but i was stating skin cancer incidents for people in climates with massive amounts of sun. Everyone has a right to their opinion. I only wish to open peoples mind and hopefully help them avoid the pain that comes with illness and death. In this country 2 out of 3 males will get Cancer, 1 out of 3 women will get Cancer. Which one do you want to be?? It's your choice.

 

[dirk d]

I am an advocate of Actively Aerated Compost Teas(AACT's) and use them in my garden. DWB is true in saying that people who DO NOT know how to brew proper AACT's will promote anaerobic bacteria and fungi, such as E. Coli, that can be fatal, especially to children.

When I shop for Organic fruits and vegetables I try and make sure they are locally sourced. How can an organic fruit from China really be good for you?

 

[sanvanalona]

Not sure where in the world you guys are but I am going huge on my veggie garden......first time ever and it has turned quite the desire in me!!!! Going all organic, some of my veggies are even growing in fresh coco as I believe it is the best medium for cannabis as far as flavor is considered, so I figure it might do the same for my veggies. I plan on producing near 15% of my families total food intake for the year, I have full cali sun and taking straight advantage of it! Jalepenos, habaneros, cayenne, tomatoes, potatoes, carrots, onions, basil, marley mint, peppermint, tomatillos, and so much more. I am going to love to give some away as it looks like I will have far too much! And for those of you herb farmers that haven't grown veggies yet, give it a try! Nothing like filling your belly from your own hard work. Honestly, I feel like its giving Monsanto the big middle finger too, I grow all heirloom varieties no big bad monsanto shit, I am able to produce my own fruits and veggies and know exactly what they are fed.......liquid karma, and a little mother earth tea!!!!! Good stuff! I guess that is how I can make this world of ours better, I can at least start producing some of what I consume!!!!!!

 

[squiggly]

I see no reason why cancer is even an issue anymore in this world. We can split the atom but we can't find a cure for anything??? Big Business enslaving the people for their own greed. How much $$$ is enough???

It's all well and good that you see no reason--but let's be realistic and assume that if you don't have any expertise on cancer, or treating diseases in general, you wouldn't be very likely to know of such a reason [In short the reason is because cancer is YOU not some invader--anything it is susceptible to, so are you. What kills it kills you, because it is nothing but a slightly mutated you].

That's the point I keep making here over and over as people make wild claims and assumptions like this one.

Sure, your opinion is what it is--but it doesn't hold water when you carry that over to the real world. It definitely would be nice if we could all just know everything without having to first learn about it, but sadly that is not the case. In order to see a reason for cancer remaining as a problem--you'd have to know a little something about cancer, microbiology, and biochemistry.

It's the same argument I made against Dr. physics earlier on. He thinks the physics don't match up--but he hasn't the foggiest how the physics actually work, so how the hell would he know?

I'm not saying this to be a huge dick, though I'm sure that's how I come off to many of you. I'm about finding real truth, and you can't do that by making a shitload of unsupported guesses and statements. They won't equal out to anything significant.

I'm not saying you need to be perfectly scientific about it, or to write a research paper. Just offer some support for your arguments--and then be willing to have those supports knocked out by people with more knowledge than you.

People these days make flimsy supports and then believe them unassailable--to the point where they start getting defensive and personally attacking people when someone attacks their support/argument.

I wish people could see how childish this is.

They'll do/say anything so long as they get to believe they are right at the end of it. Even if their tactic was attacking you personally and totally ignoring the facts (common).

You want to blame all the ills of the world on the government--but the truth is it's people who decide not to inform themselves and whom can't take even the idea of being wrong about one thing who are sinking "our world". People who are so certain they know what's best--without having ever attempted to inform themselves (and certainly not having done so from various perspectives).

People who claim to know things they don't, assume they're qualified to make decisions they aren't, and who believe they are god's gift to the world.

I really liked the high school commencement speech I read about on the news last week--a teacher told his students that they weren't special, unique, or even important. That they'd have to differentiate themselves to be counted. What differentiates you? What is your expertise as it relates to this issue? Why should any of us take you seriously? None of this is directed at any one person, but rather at the slew of people here who are happy with making shit up as they go along (and as it suits them).

Your ideas aren't idiotic--they're perfectly good made up ideas, but that makes them perhaps more dangerous than things which are totally frivolous. Next thing you know someone's going to be using your flimsy argument as a support for their own. It's a self repeating cycle and to be perfectly frank about it--it's the people who don't give a fuck about truly informing themselves who are perpetuating it.

You guys feel free to sit here and pat each other on the backs about how great your theories are. I'll be here lying in wait for you to actually say something substantive, with supports, that you're open to debate over. So long as you plan on assuming you're perfect--I plan on laughing at your ignorance silently.

The truth is that none of what you've said here has ever been open to discussion. You believe your theory to be without flaws--so much so that you act like a total child when they are challenged.

I don't know if that's because you simply don't like being challenged, or if it's because you really really want to be right. It's certainly not because you have proof or any type of support for what you've been saying, though.

It's not because you've proven your point and I just can't see it and that frustrates you. If I had my guess I'd say it's the same knee jerk reaction that 80% of all Americans have when they are challenged.

We live in a society of logical pussies, who can't stand the idea that they might misspeak or misunderstand from time to time. We live in a society of perfect people--and that is why our world sucks. Because the people in it suck. They are willfully stupid. Not because some made up bullshit that you can't prove at all happened.

 

[baba G]

hey squiggly, watch forks over knives and get back to me on cancer...and why certain regions of the world have never had a documented case...

 

[baba G]

this is hardly a scientific website with scientific journals and the like, people like to chat and discuss things, even when they don't know the answers. It's something people have been doing for a long time, prob won't stop anytime soon.
If the people here are so below you intellectually, why do you stay here?

 

[ttystikk]

this is hardly a scientific website with scientific journals and the like, people like to chat and discuss things, even when they don't know the answers. It's something people have been doing for a long time, prob won't stop anytime soon.
If the people here are so below you intellectually, why do you stay here?

I can't speak for Squiggly, but I understand his frustration with those who don't think logically or rationally- and refuse to listen to those who do.

My own approach is to patiently keep explaining, with logical support and references as much as possible, and thereby challenge people's fondly held yet still icorrect assumptions. I do this in the hope that someone of them, somewhere, will catch onto the idea that maybe they don't have all the answers and that broadening their mind will lead somewhere useful.

I also do it with the knowlege that plenty of people who DO think logically will come along and read what I've written, and either help me in my quest- or let me know where my own thinking is wrong. It happens- a lot, as it turns out!- and I'm happy to concede a point when it's clear I'm in the wrong.

That isn't weakness- it takes guts to admit you're wrong, especially when it's personal like politics, religions or bathing. lol

 

[sanvanalona]

It's all well and good that you see no reason--but let's be realistic and assume that if you don't have any expertise on cancer, or treating diseases in general, you wouldn't be very likely to know of such a reason [In short the reason is because cancer is YOU not some invader--anything it is susceptible to, so are you. What kills it kills you, because it is nothing but a slightly mutated you].

That's the point I keep making here over and over as people make wild claims and assumptions like this one.

Sure, your opinion is what it is--but it doesn't hold water when you carry that over to the real world. It definitely would be nice if we could all just know everything without having to first learn about it, but sadly that is not the case. In order to see a reason for cancer remaining as a problem--you'd have to know a little something about cancer, microbiology, and biochemistry.

It's the same argument I made against Dr. physics earlier on. He thinks the physics don't match up--but he hasn't the foggiest how the physics actually work, so how the hell would he know?

I'm not saying this to be a huge dick, though I'm sure that's how I come off to many of you. I'm about finding real truth, and you can't do that by making a shitload of unsupported guesses and statements. They won't equal out to anything significant.

I'm not saying you need to be perfectly scientific about it, or to write a research paper. Just offer some support for your arguments--and then be willing to have those supports knocked out by people with more knowledge than you.

People these days make flimsy supports and then believe them unassailable--to the point where they start getting defensive and personally attacking people when someone attacks their support/argument.

I wish people could see how childish this is.

They'll do/say anything so long as they get to believe they are right at the end of it. Even if their tactic was attacking you personally and totally ignoring the facts (common).

You want to blame all the ills of the world on the government--but the truth is it's people who decide not to inform themselves and whom can't take even the idea of being wrong about one thing who are sinking "our world". People who are so certain they know what's best--without having ever attempted to inform themselves (and certainly not having done so from various perspectives).

People who claim to know things they don't, assume they're qualified to make decisions they aren't, and who believe they are god's gift to the world.

I really liked the high school commencement speech I read about on the news last week--a teacher told his students that they weren't special, unique, or even important. That they'd have to differentiate themselves to be counted. What differentiates you? What is your expertise as it relates to this issue? Why should any of us take you seriously? None of this is directed at any one person, but rather at the slew of people here who are happy with making shit up as they go along (and as it suits them).

Your ideas aren't idiotic--they're perfectly good made up ideas, but that makes them perhaps more dangerous than things which are totally frivolous. Next thing you know someone's going to be using your flimsy argument as a support for their own. It's a self repeating cycle and to be perfectly frank about it--it's the people who don't give a fuck about truly informing themselves who are perpetuating it.

You guys feel free to sit here and pat each other on the backs about how great your theories are. I'll be here lying in wait for you to actually say something substantive, with supports, that you're open to debate over. So long as you plan on assuming you're perfect--I plan on laughing at your ignorance silently.

The truth is that none of what you've said here has ever been open to discussion. You believe your theory to be without flaws--so much so that you act like a total child when they are challenged.

I don't know if that's because you simply don't like being challenged, or if it's because you really really want to be right. It's certainly not because you have proof or any type of support for what you've been saying, though.

It's not because you've proven your point and I just can't see it and that frustrates you. If I had my guess I'd say it's the same knee jerk reaction that 80% of all Americans have when they are challenged.

We live in a society of logical pussies, who can't stand the idea that they might misspeak or misunderstand from time to time. We live in a society of perfect people--and that is why our world sucks. Because the people in it suck. They are willfully stupid. Not because some made up bullshit that you can't prove at all happened.

What you are implying is that we all need a little humility. I agree. You, me, everyone on this planet for that matter needs humility in order to gain knowledge. Remember though humility starts with oneself. I have a constant battle of accepting when I am wrong, and believe me I am often wrong. It is to a degree human nature to be defensive about being wrong though, no?

 

[squiggly]

It's more than "to a degree". It's an almost universally shared hubris.

However, that isn't the problem--we've known about this for a long time. The problem is people refusing to accept it, and thinking themselves omniscient.

Think of all the brain power that went into forming these shit, unsupported, arguments. What if that had been used in attempts to discover a supportable argument?

It doesn't necessarily matter here--but when you multiply the failure to undertake that thought process times 7 billion, you get "our world".

It has absolutely jack shit to do with some cloak and dagger conspiracy. It's literally a problem that humans have which creates itself in every moment of every day that each of us as individuals choose not to better ourselves, but rather to pander to ourselves.

Any time you're absolutely sure you're right--that's probably the only time in your life you can ever be sure of something so complex, and that thing is that you're dead wrong about being sure that you're right. That's a bit of a tongue twister--but it's also very true.

When I see people say things like "I know the physics" and then in the same sentence demonstrate that they do not--it really depresses me. Its frustrating to know that this is the way the world is headed. People who are sure about something they literally haven't the first clue about.

It's an endemic problem. People who don't know how to argue properly probably were not taught how to (a crying shame). Realistically even though I'm the one sounding the logic horn here, I am probably 10x less logical and equipped to debate than my counterpart from 60 years ago.

I think where the derailment occurs is when people believe that to properly argue you have to be subservient to some discipline, some science, that you may have to do all of this studying. You don't need to have expertise to argue properly. All you need to do is not pretend to have any--or to make statements which require some.

Arguments do need support--NONE OF US should take ANYONE'S word simply as that. That's what makes arguments like these so truly hilarious to me--we're not offered ANYTHING (literally--nothing) except for people's word on these types of issues. And as it turns out when you really vet some of the material out, you find that much of the scienc-y explanations do not hold water and are effectively pseudo-science without any support. About the best thing you're ever offered is the word of a person who lies to you about science, and has a big enough vocabulary to be able to deceptively do that effectively.

That's all anyone really needs to get away with anything in this world. I've given a helluva lot of chemistry advice on this board. I could've literally been making it all up--perhaps only a handful of people here would raise an eyebrow to me completely misstating the laws of chemistry.

Expertise is power in this sense, and when it comes to the difficult questions if you don't have any it's best you kept your mouth shut (or tried to develop some). The only exception being if you should have an insight to add. See that's what we need from people who don't have expertise, we need a new perspective.

It isn't my objective to say (as I pointed out early) that only things which are provable by science matter, or that only things done logically matter. What I'm saying is at the center we need to have this science-based (when warranted) logical discussion --and then we need other people with things to add to chime in with their ideas. Not with their insupportable arguments. Working together is very important, and it's never been my suggestion to say that we should have some exclusive group of people dealing with the tough questions. We just don't need so much of the bullshit. Multiple perspectives are infinitely important to getting to the truth--but those perspectives should be framed within the realm of their best personal understanding.

We don't need a little bit of shit that's made up from each and every person's perspective. However, if we got a little bit of info on the facts from everybody's perspective we might get somewhere.

So long as people feign expertise, say things which they know they can't prove, and believe they can prove things which they can't we'll be stuck chasing our proverbial tail in this country.

People need to man the fuck up and accept what they don't know, and find strength to give a shit about trying to fill in the gaps.

I hope you all realize that an argument without support is bullshit. That's where it begins. Once you realize that you need to start considering how to support things. The first rule of this is being ready to accept criticism on your support. I feel like it's useless to talk about anything else till we at least get people to that step.

Where they can:

A. Form an argument with a support.

and

B. Allow someone else to criticize or attempt to debunk said support without getting all butthurt about it.

 

[dirk d]

I know i have made many mistakes in life. mistake after mistake after mistake. I'm not but hurt by anyone saying i'm wrong. But throwing out vague statements doesn't really cut it either squiggly. I have dissected cadavers, have you? What you forget squiggly is that you have not even found who YOU are and yet you make wild claims about me lol. You think you're an expert but an expert needs wisdom which you have none. You are always asking for proof but do not even attempt to look at other perspectives..It's ok..classic narcissist.

Here you want some logic here it goes. The pentagon attack could not have logically been a plane. With no wing damage to the building it proves beyond a reasonable doubt that in FACT it was not a jumbo jet flying around 20' over ground with a 120'+ wingspan going 500+ MPH that hit the building. Try and prove me wrong on this. Please if you can i will have no problem saying that I'm WRONG. I have no problem with that. I have asked you this several times and your scientific answer was "my friend told me it was a plane" lol. Again, when you can't "logically" explain something you say someone told you and "he wouldn't lie to me" lol.
And as far as cancer goes I've gone through day and night of 2 of my family members having Cancer and seeing what they went through everyday and night. What have you experienced about cancer?? You have been cradled by your family all your life. You have lived a priviledged life because of them yet you think you are better than others lol. I wonder how you would act if you're family members were killed and you sent to live in china as a kid and deal with their culture.

Wisdom is only gained through experiencing the positive and negative of something and you squiggly have experienced very little. Yet you keep writing eloquently but you forget you have no experience. you only talk about what you have been told. When you're mind can think for itself you will have evolved some.

Funny you live in a glass house yet want to throw stones at me...lol...prove me wrong about the pentagon attack lol....

 

[squiggly]

I know i have made many mistakes in life. mistake after mistake after mistake. I'm not but hurt by anyone saying i'm wrong. But throwing out vague statements doesn't really cut it either squiggly. I have dissected cadavers, have you? What you forget squiggly is that you have not even found who YOU are and yet you make wild claims about me lol. You think you're an expert but an expert needs wisdom which you have none. You are always asking for proof but do not even attempt to look at other perspectives..It's ok..classic narcissist.

Here you want some logic here it goes. The pentagon attack could not have logically been a plane. With no wing damage to the building it proves beyond a reasonable doubt that in FACT it was not a jumbo jet flying around 20' over ground with a 120'+ wingspan going 500+ MPH that hit the building. Try and prove me wrong on this. Please if you can i will have no problem saying that I'm WRONG. I have no problem with that. I have asked you this several times and your scientific answer was "my friend told me it was a plane" lol. Again, when you can't "logically" explain something you say someone told you and "he wouldn't lie to me" lol.
And as far as cancer goes I've gone through day and night of 2 of my family members having Cancer and seeing what they went through everyday and night. What have you experienced about cancer?? You have been cradled by your family all your life. You have lived a priviledged life because of them yet you think you are better than others lol. I wonder how you would act if you're family members were killed and you sent to live in china as a kid and deal with their culture.

Wisdom is only gained through experiencing the positive and negative of something and you squiggly have experienced very little. Yet you keep writing eloquently but you forget you have no experience. you only talk about what you have been told. When you're mind can think for itself you will have evolved some.

Funny you live in a glass house yet want to throw stones at me...lol...prove me wrong about the pentagon attack lol....

I didn't say I'm an expert.

In fact I'll categorically state here that I'm not an expert at anything but getting myself really incredibly stoned.

What I said is dude who mentioned physics doesn't have physics expertise, and that you aren't demonstrating any expertise when you make the claims that you have. You're literally just diarrhea-ing unprovable statements out. Dissecting a cadaver isn't going to run the clock back and un-say all of the bullshit you said, lol.

You're right, I will always be figuring out who I am--we all are. We create who we are with every moment. There is no CPU in our brains that defines us--we are nothing more than a collection of our memories and experiences. I'm becoming me right now by having this discussion. It's true--it's also moot as it relates to this.

I'm not making assumptions about you--I'm flat out factually stating that you've been saying things which you can't prove, and don't have much if any expertise to speak on.

Here's the thing bro, about your emboldened statement:

It's you guessing. You have no expertise to judge what type of damage would/would not be possible from a jumbo jet to the pentagon. You don't cite any flight path information, any material information, any velocity information.

Hell, you don't cite any information at all. You just think you can know what such a complex system will do by virtue of looking at it.

May I humbly suggest that if this is the case, that you are in the wrong line of work. You should be a famous theoretical physicist working at CERN.

And as far as cancer goes I've gone through day and night of 2 of my family members having Cancer and seeing what they went through everyday and night. What have you experienced about cancer?? You have been cradled by your family all your life. You have lived a priviledged life because of them yet you think you are better than others lol. I wonder how you would act if you're family members were killed and you sent to live in china as a kid and deal with their culture.

And now we're full circle. You first claim I've been making assumptions about you, and that it's unfair--and then you hypocritically start assuming things about me. I'll debunk some of those for you now.

1. I've lost 3 extended members of my family to cancer (the only ones I was close to--two grandparents and a cousin who was my age). A very close friend of mine has also lived with my mother for about 10 years as a result of his mother dying from cancer.

2. I have done research on a cancer drug our two in my time, but am currently working with Nelfinavir (an HIV protease inhibitor) and have just wrapped up a bout of research with denopamine and sotalol.

3. I have not lived a privileged life in the context of being an American except to say that I have a well educated mother, who also saw to it that I was well educated--but she is a public school teacher, and was a single mother. I grew up in a shit neighborhood in Cook County, Illinois. Everything I have I bought, and it has nearly always been that way. I've been paying bills since I was somewhere around 14 and have been constantly employed since the same time. I took community college half time for 4 years and worked to pay for it, because I did not qualify for government aid. I was accepted to a university but could not afford it at the time. I am only able to afford it now based on merit scholarships which I have also earned. I pay for my education currently, and always have. Of all the assumptions you made, this is the most heinous--I have not come to where I am today by virtue of anyone's work but my own and my mother's (when she was able). I have earned every small bit of luxury that I have in my life. It's a joke to say my family has cradled me. My mother was there for me when she could be--but the rest of my immediate family has done nothing but shit on, beat, and demean me throughout my entire existence. My extended family is a different story but I've seen them maybe 10 times in my life.

4. You claim I have no experience, but yet again you find yourself making claims which you cannot prove--and assuming things which are completely foreign and unknown to you. I can't say that I'm surprised--but that won't make you any less wrong.

[Edit] 5. You know what I wasn't going to mention this, but I figured why the fuck not. When I was 14 I was actually diagnosed with a mild form of skin cancer. I was never in imminent danger of dying, but I did undergo chemo (fucking terrible) and I have had multiple surgeries over the last 12 years relating to this (as moles get weird I must have them removed, and I've got plenty of them). As a result of these surgeries my body is totally and completely littered with scars. Having this experience is what caused me to become interested in doing pharmaceutical research--to do exactly what you think it is so easy for science to do (cure cancer). So, fuck you very much.


As for the plane. Let's say the thing bounced off the ground first and shit the wings onto the ground by breaking them off. Leaving them behind prior to hitting the building.

Holy shit that was really difficult to conjecture--next please.

Truth is that statement is just as bullshit as yours. No extrapolation was formed, we don't have the debris to study, etc.

These are ALL THINGS WHICH YOU FUCKING NEED TO MAKE A PHYSICS ARGUMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A PLANE HIT SOMETHING. PERIOD.

I mean that in the same sense as the following sentence:

Hitler had a mustache. Period.

So no dude, you haven't made an argument. You've guessed something.

Congratulations on your powers of guess-age. They are quite astute. Get back to me if you find some proof for any of what you've said. I recognize that because you don't have access to the data, you will never be able to do this. Consequently neither will I and so therefore I can't disprove any theory or version of events (without that data).

That in itself leaves the debate open--but it's not going to get ANYWHERE NEAR proving your point. All you've got, and all you will ever have until you gain some physics expertise and the data set--is what you're either making up for yourself or regurgitating from someone else who made it up.

It's funny, again you did the same thing as the previous person I mentioned. You start off by saying that you'll make a scientific argument--and then the very next thing you do is prove that you haven't a fucking clue how to do that.

You might be older and "more experienced" than me, but I personally am taking that to mean that I'm doing a pretty fucking job so far. If I've already surpassed an older more experienced person's ability to argue and communicate, I must have been making at least some of the right decisions along the way.

Read some non-fiction homie, it'll do wonders for you.