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I'm thinking of anilizing (analyze i know) the sound waves on that one lol.

Can't do this without calibrating the acoustics in that room. You're hearing from a microphone at a single point in a room.

I agree about Romney. More importantly, I think, he's praying to a God that he doesn't truly believe in. The god of HIS bible is NOT the one he's attempting to pander to people with. He's doing his very best to conceal his true beliefs--and I can't think of anything more reprehensible than that.

Where is his conviction?

I have several Mormon friends, and you know what--they're a helluva lot nicer than most Christians I meet.

I mean I couldn't possibly disagree with their religious beliefs more, I almost find them laughable--but they have, by and large, turned them into wonderful people. It is ridiculously obvious to see the positive impact that religion has had in their life.

When I meet Christians I'm often struck with the exact opposite notion, feeling that their Christianity has made them worse people than they would've otherwise been. Obviously this isn't a blanket statement. Perhaps I'm being too critical because I understand the Christian faith VERY well, and don't really know what Mormonism is all about.

Regardless, it doesn't excuse the wishy-washiness of a man who will claim to be one religion, yet do his best to conceal what that means to him--while simultaneously pandering to a religion, and almost trying to "chameleon" himself as a Christian, which has completely rejected and even ostracized/persecuted his own faith (nevermind the hypocrisy of Christians persecuting people: mormon, gay, or otherwise).

It just sends a signal of a spineless man to me. I proudly say that I am an atheist, knowing full well that it makes me a target and simultaneous spokesman for all atheists [despite the fact that we don't hold meetings, the pre-primed hatred stemming from many anti-theists incorrectly identifying themselves as atheistic, and the failure of nearly all theistic peoples to make the distinction]--both on the internet and in real life. I am one in a sea of christian family, I reside in a VERY conservative part of my state currently, I am essentially a pariah--and I am PROUD of it.

Not because I'm an antagonist (although I am), not because I am a contrarian (although I love to play Devil's advocate), but rather because it is WHAT I BELIEVE.

Not only do I not trust, but I cannot respect a man who acts in such a way so as to flip-flop even on something which is probably ranked in the top 5 decisions a person makes for themself--and some people are worried about accountability under Obama?

Mitt Romney isn't even accountable to himself and his own convictions (or lack of them), how can he possibly be accountable to a country of 300million people. How sad is it that I'm sitting here holding him accountable for his OWN beliefs, and everyone who reads this will find it difficult to say I'm crazy for it. This might be the one thing I could say against the guy that most republicans would actually concede to me.

If he is willing to PRETEND to change even his deepest held beliefs to get into office, what do you think will change once he's elected.

There's a campaign slogan for ya:

"Romney 2012: Change To Be Announced"
 
Can't do this without calibrating the acoustics in that room. You're hearing from a microphone at a single point in a room.

With an honors diploma on the wall in audio engineering and producing, and being a person highly sought after, I humbly disagree, even thought that may not sound so humble lol. The one mike does pick up differing spl's and that are the waves i'd look at and anylize. i'm not needing to measure Reverberation in the room because I do not need to replicate it or to anylize it. Nor do need to "pink" the room with noise because i do not care about doing any eq adjustments, or ring in enclosures. With only one mic split to stereo, I'm not looking at creating artificial imagery. Nope just need one mic. If both crowds were to loud for the mic and limiting kicked in i'd be able to tell, which is stronger by looking at the limiting on the wave form. But I may be wrong.
 
Squiggly wrote; but they have, by and large, turned them into wonderful people. It is ridiculously obvious to see the positive impact that religion has had in their life.

When I meet Christians I'm often struck with the exact opposite notion, feeling that their Christianity has made them worse people than they would've otherwise been. Obviously this isn't a blanket statement. Perhaps I'm being too critical because I understand the Christian faith VERY well, and don't really know what Mormonism is all about.

Regardless, it doesn't excuse the wishy-washiness of a man who will claim to be one religion, yet do his best to conceal what that means to him--while simultaneously pandering to a religion, and almost trying to "chameleon" himself as a Christian, which has completely rejected and even ostracized/persecuted his own faith (nevermind the hypocrisy of Christians persecuting people: mormon, gay, or otherwise)."

You know i have to agree, to a large degree. What is real sad is that I don't think it bothers him at night and I think that is a characteristic we should look for in a politician and overlook some other areas in political experience. When i comes down to that thought process, i'd have to say i think tough choices obama has made do weigh on him. But he still sleeps good at night because moving for him isn't such a big deal as it is for us. lol
 
Squiggly wrote: It just sends a signal of a spineless man to me. I proudly say that I am an atheist, knowing full well that it makes me a target and simultaneous spokesman for all atheists [despite the fact that we don't hold meetings, the pre-primed hatred stemming from many anti-theists incorrectly identifying themselves as atheistic, and the failure of nearly all theistic peoples to make the distinction]--both on the internet and in real life. I am one in a sea of christian family, I reside in a VERY conservative part of my state currently, I am essentially a pariah--and I am PROUD of it.

I had a childhood friend that was athiest, in fact his last name is Athie. You know George Washington it's been said a lot by Christians attended church. But in fact he got up and walked out before every sacrament, never once did he stay. Search Thomas Jefferson about Washington " that old sly fox" and read about jefferson laughing that the religious fanatics didnt pin him down that he was basically agnostic, still trying to figure it out. Our nation was built on the ideology of separation of church and state.

Well Squiggly, all I can say is you have my respect no matter what you look like, lol
 
Squiggly wrote: "I am one in a sea of christian family, I reside in a VERY conservative part of my state currently, I am essentially a pariah--and I am PROUD of it.

Not because I'm an antagonist (although I am), not because I am a contrarian (although I love to play Devil's advocate), but rather because it is WHAT I BELIEVE."

Same here, my christian beliefs fall outside of the mainstream, but hold up to challenge within the Christian faith.. You know you brought up a thought that so many people take a hardline approach and Romney has that mixed with his etchosketch lifestyle. That hardline is "if you dont believe like me, your wrong, your rligioun is wrong, and i'll put a bullet in you if you disagree, now bow down and kiss my toe,, yes the big toe, kisss it... lol I imagine that is what stewie on Family guy would say.. On a side note my new One hit wander x bubba alex that a friend gave me ; ) Oh yeah.. Now where was I ?,,,,

You and I can have our beliefs, and be cool with one another.. I know i certainly won't change your mind and you know the same goes here. However we can discuss it where others cannot, because they cant get past "im right"

Every person and thing is the center of it's own universe.
 
Squiggly wrote: "I am one in a sea of christian family, I reside in a VERY conservative part of my state currently, I am essentially a pariah--and I am PROUD of it.

Not because I'm an antagonist (although I am), not because I am a contrarian (although I love to play Devil's advocate), but rather because it is WHAT I BELIEVE."

Same here, my christian beliefs fall outside of the mainstream, but hold up to challenge within the Christian faith.. You know you brought up a thought that so many people take a hardline approach and Romney has that mixed with his etchosketch lifestyle. That hardline is "if you dont believe like me, your wrong, your rligioun is wrong, and i'll put a bullet in you if you disagree, now bow down and kiss my toe,, yes the big toe, kisss it... lol I imagine that is what stewie on Family guy would say.. On a side note my new One hit wander x bubba alex that a friend gave me ; ) Oh yeah.. Now where was I ?,,,,

You and I can have our beliefs, and be cool with one another.. I know i certainly won't change your mind and you know the same goes here. However we can discuss it where others cannot, because they cant get past "im right"

Every person and thing is the center of it's own universe.

Probably have typed the following more in the last year than I've done anything else aside from have sex with my girlfriend, smoke weed, and watch the daily show:

The age of reason is over.

The age of being right at all costs (even if you're not) is well underway.


We're all, each one of us, worse off for it--and we're all a part of the problem, the only question is to what degree. In my opinion, people like us--in this sense--are on the low end of what is a problem.

Fucking zealots are ruining this country on both sides, and neither side knows what the fuck its talking about because it hasn't taken all of the data into consideration. This is just a special case of researcher bias the way I look at it.

Christians (conservatives) think we should all follow gods law : Liberals, while many are christian, believe this is a stupid plan.

That SINGLE disagreement has convinced both sides that all of the fiscal policies and economic ideas of the other side are hogwash. It's a fallacy. Both sides have good things to add.

What we need, in this country, is to quit politicking about social issues--and start politicking about money and our public systems (education, health, etc).


The reason I'm liberal: I think the democrats actually want to have this happen--and the conservatives could give a shit so long as more people are forced into god's will. Also I know that the private sector ON ITS OWN cannot compete with private sectors in other parts of the world with the FULL AID of their ENTIRE GOVERNMENT behind them.

If the WHOLE WORLD was capitalist, then capitalism would be the end-all-be-all. Unfortunately a group of people 5-6 times the size of our population are ruining our ability to compete by being communist.

There are two options:

1. Allow the government to take a role in economic development.

2. Buy Rosetta Stone:Mandarin for your kids.

There is no third option. Either we'll compete with China or we won't. It will NOT happen without the aid of our government.


Our process:

Economic decision needs to be made to aid Americans in being competetive ---------------> mention it once ----------------> fight about gay marriage and abortion.

China's:

The country's foremost experts all tell a dude what's good. The dude says, okay--that's our policy now.

Our's:

We need to make it more attractive for firms (international and american) to manufacture goods in our country---------->say it once----------> give giant tax breaks to the people outsourcing jobs--------------> argue about gay marriage and abortion some more.

China's:

If even a single variable falls in our favor in terms of attracting new manufacturing business, again those experts come in and tell the guy how he can put a stop to it. He does--THAT DAY.

Our's:

Just fight about shit, ignoring everything.

China's:

Meticulously plan for, using the country's greatest minds, the economic demise of America--and the subsequent rise of China as the world's new superpower.

Whole lot of good talking shit about communism is going to do when communism WINS.

Our's:

Pretend that China ISN'T doing what its doing--that they havent' changed ecnomic policy to fuck America 12 times in the past 3 MONTHS. That we aren't fucked if we don't stop it---------> and make sure to argue more about gay marriage and abortion and whether or not our president is even from here, or whether he's a muslim.


China:

Laugh. Just fucking laugh.


I have discovered the downfall of "government by the people, for the people." during this argument.

It doesn't work if the people in the country are a bunch of fucking asshats, greedy fucks, and retards. When the majority of your country is made of people who don't even know how the system of government works at a very basic level, and then you ask them to decide how the system of government will fit together on a person-by-person basis--you're inviting failure.

3 things to fix this country:

1. Term limits for congressmen. This is inevitable, everyone' is talking about it (except congress).

2. Citizens must pass a competency test which covers our system of government (at a 4th grade social studies level)--prior to making a vote.

3. The legislation which used to prevent newsmedia from doing non-obvious opinion pieces should be brought back. Originally it was, "just the facts ma'am"--and it was that way because news was not profitable. It was government subsidized, and as a result it had to be impartial and unbiased. It was a public SERVICE, now it is infotainment. TLDR: If you lie on the news, or twist facts, you can be prosecuted/fined/shut down entirely.



A few things that would happen:

1. Better people who wanted to do a public service rather than gain a career would run for office. Corruption would drop off sharply as the "old guard" was forced out. You can't sit on capitol hill for 20 years without having a few little birds in your ear--people aren't perfect, and impervious to bribery and their greater desires. We have forgotten this. Politicians will keep proving it to us until we take note. As much as I like Obama, that includes people who have taken the path he has. We need these guys out. I think he's a bit of a diamond-in-the-rough if you will in that sense, but either way he's still a fucking Harvard lawyer.

What about being a Harvard graduate makes you so likely, and qualified, to become president?

2. Smarter voters would be making decisions about who can best run our government.
3. I could stop wanting to kill every person I talk to about politics for being such a fucking moron-robot-person operating on untrue information.
 
Probably have typed the following more in the last year than I've done anything else aside from have sex with my girlfriend, smoke weed, and watch the daily show:

The age of reason is over.

The age of being right at all costs (even if you're not) is well underway.


We're all, each one of us, worse off for it--and we're all a part of the problem, the only question is to what degree. In my opinion, people like us--in this sense--are on the low end of what is a problem.

Fucking zealots are ruining this country on both sides, and neither side knows what the fuck its talking about because it hasn't taken all of the data into consideration. This is just a special case of researcher bias the way I look at it.

Christians (conservatives) think we should all follow gods law : Liberals, while many are christian, believe this is a stupid plan.

That SINGLE disagreement has convinced both sides that all of the fiscal policies and economic ideas of the other side are hogwash. It's a fallacy. Both sides have good things to add.

What we need, in this country, is to quit politicking about social issues--and start politicking about money and our public systems (education, health, etc).


The reason I'm liberal: I think the democrats actually want to have this happen--and the conservatives could give a shit so long as more people are forced into god's will. Also I know that the private sector ON ITS OWN cannot compete with private sectors in other parts of the world with the FULL AID of their ENTIRE GOVERNMENT behind them.

If the WHOLE WORLD was capitalist, then capitalism would be the end-all-be-all. Unfortunately a group of people 5-6 times the size of our population are ruining our ability to compete by being communist.

There are two options:

1. Allow the government to take a role in economic development.

2. Buy Rosetta Stone:Mandarin for your kids.

There is no third option. Either we'll compete with China or we won't. It will NOT happen without the aid of our government.


Our process:

Economic decision needs to be made to aid Americans in being competetive ---------------> mention it once ----------------> fight about gay marriage and abortion.

China's:

The country's foremost experts all tell a dude what's good. The dude says, okay--that's our policy now.

Our's:

We need to make it more attractive for firms (international and american) to manufacture goods in our country---------->say it once----------> give giant tax breaks to the people outsourcing jobs--------------> argue about gay marriage and abortion some more.

China's:

If even a single variable falls in our favor in terms of attracting new manufacturing business, again those experts come in and tell the guy how he can put a stop to it. He does--THAT DAY.

Our's:

Just fight about shit, ignoring everything.

China's:

Meticulously plan for, using the country's greatest minds, the economic demise of America--and the subsequent rise of China as the world's new superpower.

Whole lot of good talking shit about communism is going to do when communism WINS.

Our's:

Pretend that China ISN'T doing what its doing--that they havent' changed ecnomic policy to fuck America 12 times in the past 3 MONTHS. That we aren't fucked if we don't stop it---------> and make sure to argue more about gay marriage and abortion and whether or not our president is even from here, or whether he's a muslim.


China:

Laugh. Just fucking laugh.


I have discovered the downfall of "government by the people, for the people." during this argument.

It doesn't work if the people in the country are a bunch of fucking asshats, greedy fucks, and retards. When the majority of your country is made of people who don't even know how the system of government works at a very basic level, and then you ask them to decide how the system of government will fit together on a person-by-person basis--you're inviting failure.

3 things to fix this country:

1. Term limits for congressmen. This is inevitable, everyone' is talking about it (except congress).

2. Citizens must pass a competency test which covers our system of government (at a 4th grade social studies level)--prior to making a vote.

3. The legislation which used to prevent newsmedia from doing non-obvious opinion pieces should be brought back. Originally it was, "just the facts ma'am"--and it was that way because news was not profitable. It was government subsidized, and as a result it had to be impartial and unbiased. It was a public SERVICE, now it is infotainment. TLDR: If you lie on the news, or twist facts, you can be prosecuted/fined/shut down entirely.



A few things that would happen:

1. Better people who wanted to do a public service rather than gain a career would run for office. Corruption would drop off sharply as the "old guard" was forced out. You can't sit on capitol hill for 20 years without having a few little birds in your ear--people aren't perfect, and impervious to bribery and their greater desires. We have forgotten this. Politicians will keep proving it to us until we take note. As much as I like Obama, that includes people who have taken the path he has. We need these guys out. I think he's a bit of a diamond-in-the-rough if you will in that sense, but either way he's still a fucking Harvard lawyer.

What about being a Harvard graduate makes you so likely, and qualified, to become president?

2. Smarter voters would be making decisions about who can best run our government.
3. I could stop wanting to kill every person I talk to about politics for being such a fucking moron-robot-person operating on untrue information.

Your giving idea's out like your a world leader and personally i think if more people did think like you, Then the world really would come to a stand still look take this in a nice way you know nothing just like everyone else all you can do is stand back and watch no good coming here and saying all these things like people should take a test before they vote ! and you know what the reason why a harvard grad is so likely and qualified to become president is because them people are easy to control and are already too brainwashed to trully think for themselves and think of the type of people they are to being going harvard anyway think of their big rich familys !! (The system does'nt work scrap it dont try to change it scrap it )
 
Your giving idea's out like your a world leader and personally i think if more people did think like you, Then the world really would come to a stand still look take this in a nice way you know nothing just like everyone else all you can do is stand back and watch no good coming here and saying all these things like people should take a test before they vote ! and you know what the reason why a harvard grad is so likely and qualified to become president is because them people are easy to control and are already too brainwashed to trully think for themselves and think of the type of people they are to being going harvard anyway think of their big rich familys !! (The system does'nt work scrap it dont try to change it scrap it )

Yes you're right, if more people gave a shit and took the time to educate themselves on how the political process works in this country rather than just thinking what they think and believing their OPINION rather than facts, our country would stand still.

Is it just me or are we not standing still already? Where the hell do YOU live?

God forbid I suggest that to vote you should need to understand how the political process works. Here's a nice scientific study for you to read that will explain why this is a good idea:

http://news.yahoo.com/people-arent-smart-enough-democracy-flourish-scientists-185601411.html

The REASON we are standing still is because a bunch of retards are picking our leaders--and, BIG CRAZY SURPRISE HERE THAT NO ONE COULD'VE POSSIBLY SEEN COMING, the leaders end up being retarded as well.

You DID see me use the phrase 4th grade social studies did you not? How much is that to REALLY ask from a citizen. If you can't do that, you aren't a citizen--you're a fucking waste of space and resources. With citizenship comes MORE than a birth certificate, it comes with RESPONSIBILITY. People seem to have forgotten that because its more fun and relaxing to sit at home being a fucking moron than it is to educate yourself and be useful to your country.

People like that don't DESERVE to call themselves citizens, not after what so many Americans have done before them in service to their country.

Fucking world full of selfish twits if you ask me.

As for the rest of what you said, I couldn't decipher it.
 
Squiggly wrote; "Fucking zealots are ruining this country on both sides, and neither side knows what the fuck its talking about because it hasn't taken all of the data into consideration. This is just a special case of researcher bias the way I look at it."

It's a byproduct of our society working so much and then plopping down in front of the TV, having to do homework with the kids ect. People do not have the time to thoroughly check things out. instead of admitting that they spew propaganda they listen to on talk radio on the way to work.

Then decide to join the Dem team or the Repub team largely dependant upon who the majority of their family and friends support. Hence becoming brainwashed team players, it fits with picking a football team and supporting them every season even if they suck.
 
kyle wrote; "Your giving idea's out like your a world leader and personally i think if more people did think like you, Then the world really would come to a stand still "

That's what being an American in about, being able to individually speak your mind, ive personally taken on numerous City attorneys over freedom of speech issues, and them thinking THEY corner the market on speaking.. ALL it takes is more of us waking up and speaking up and Corporations and Political leaders will bow to us.. one good thing about so many people becoming un -employed is they have time to figure out who has been pulling the wool over their eyes and they will be more apt to vote...

So many people idealize anarchy, our country can be put back into the dark ages just like we have done to other countries with bombs.. Except in our case the powder keg we are sitting on will blow one day due to ignorance, look at what is happening right now because of a U tube video, those people think our govt put that video together, another example of Religion and speech killing, I honestly believe many here in this county arent to far behind the un educated and miss informed mobs killing tonight in the name of God. Egged on by extremist muslim organizations. Funny thing is the extremist Christians are now walking hand in hand with them in this example.. People romanticize another civil war here, Dems vs Republicans, which is ridiculous, it's anti American that we can't disagree peacefully and just look at facts.

Those people don't think of their family being killed raped or maimed, they don't think mobs are capable of taking their weapons and food and the is what is at stake for complacency. Our country couldn't survive an all state riot, I pray to god we can all figure a way to get along nd do what our country needs to get out of this muck. Katrina is the lipnus test on that, just multiply that by every state in riot due to people just letting it all fall apart. And the China steps in after we set the stage for them to forclose on our country. the Rest of the world would just say OK.
 
Squiggly

Actually go back to your study you say 4th grade social studies yes well how will that make you informed enough to make a desicion on a political candidate when he is talking about a certain subject like your study points out tax how can one talk about it when they hardly know anything about it 4th grade social studies is not going to learn them that or many other important issues.

People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say (Thats what they want, thats what they've got brainless people)

and decipher what ? it's in plain english or is that too hard for the average american. Oh yeah forgot to mention im a brit but not the kind that crawls up america's a**e.

AZMMJADVOCATES

kyle wrote; "Your giving idea's out like your a world leader and personally i think if more people did think like you, Then the world really would come to a stand still "

That's what being an American in about, being able to individually speak your mind

"No mate just because you can speak your mind does nt make you american as a matter of fact your all actually european who gave you your green card ? no one has the right to label countrys as their own esp when your goverment like to pillage other people's countrys for their resources i mean look we've been on terror alert for like 10 years and it's all bollocks the american goverment are the one playing the games and now there losing and your countrys collapsing you lot as citizens don't have a clue what your gov is doing behind closed doors and one more thing who said your goverment made the video thats cause all the trouble in the middle east atm ??? No one but who posted it an american by the name of sam bacile and it is an anti islamic video so maybe your country should hurry up and collapse so the world will be a better place dont get me wrong alot of americans are really nice people but you are brainwashed your still talking about picking the right leader when you should be scrapping the whole goverment!!

And no my world continues to move regardless of a goverment that prints worthless money and grinds it's people down look my point is you dont need god or a goverment to figure out how to live your life and you dont need a country to tell you who you are your not american your not english or japanese your YOU and thats it.
 
No offence intended to either of you if you feel i've been offensive there's just so much going on in the dark that we dont know about how can we actually make a start on things we know nothing about you know if you were president for a day you'd probally wish you was'nt lol peace.
 
title post :will MJ decide the election?

Is anyone here aware enough to know that the position of "presidential puppet" has already been decided..and that your vote doesn't fucking count?
 
title post :will MJ decide the election?

Is anyone here aware enough to know that the position of "presidential puppet" has already been decided..and that your vote doesn't fucking count?

I'm sure i said stop trying to change it and scrap the whole politics thing ;)
 
It won't happen. Most people like government especially those that collect welfare and all the other handouts from them. Too many lazy fucks in this g-damn country.

I barely make ends meet and I would easily quality for welfare, food stamps and free medical care. But I won't take a penny from them nor do I plan to collect my social security money that they stole from me. I'd fukin' die first.
 
Well KOla, you will die and have a choice in the matter by refusing Medical Treatment, But Regan made that the law that everyone is treated in the ER without ability to pay.. I Respect your right to do noting, everyone's actually, but it is the thing that Big Brother Worries about, everyone getting off their couches and voting. A show of force, and if we had voter turnout as high as in some emerging countires, we'd change things.

I just watched pierce Morgan's interview with Jessy Ventura, ( http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/jesse-ventura-is-live-in-studio-tonight/#comment-89970 ) He brought up the war on drugs, Kicked Pierces' ass. looks like he will run for President if we show him our support. He will have mine, don't know if anyone else will do anything but complain. Me I do the best I can. He pointed out that his Governorship was won with $ 300,000 and the Republicans and Dems spent 12 million.

Kyle offense was taken at first, just in that from what you stated it doesn't seem like you read all of my posts in this thread. I'd agree with a lot, most of what you state about our government, but that is because of the Sheeple. Take away their feed and they start to pay attention. I'm independent not dem or Rep. Same BS different pile. I'd like to find another way than flushing the toilet that may cost my wife and children their lives if it goes down they way I think you have planned. People cant be ignorant of China and other super powers, but hey, lets see you do that to your country and I'll see who bales you out. You don't think China would like some British meat? lol We, IN AMERICA, do have a constitution, and many of us will fight for it. Our government has been doing it's damnedest to circumvent it through treaties and make it mute through lobbying.
 
Kyle Wrote: your all actually european who gave you your green card ? Well Kyle for your information, we are a melting pot here, I agree with that concept. If someone applies and stands in line like my mother in law did, great Welcome.. As Rosevelt said "we welcome all to America but we have no place for two flags"

To point out another fallacy of yours is that when the Spanish arrived here, they took Native American Slaves to mine silver, they did a much better job than the blacks. With my grandfather being burried on a reservation and a large portion of my life living there I can show you places where one tribe hung other tribes.. Land was taken call it hunting grounds, same thing as being owned. Do I really own my land? I'll try not paying my land taxes here and you will find I really don't own it either. The point is, your logic fails. Who is to say early inhabitants in the US were not European that were killed off by different tribes? DNA supports that theory, Clovis Technology from the Salutrian of France support that theory. Your point is?

Nations, native Americans included fight, win and lose, take land, possessions, rape, ect. Some want to see that it seems, us to go back to the dark ages, you think the other super powers wont fill the void and capitalize? I would like to see that overted, you may be speaking Chineese if you get your wish, they are patiently waiting.

If your country is so bad as well as ours and it isn't worth AT LEAST expressing your voice and opinion by a popular vote,there are other countries that will take you, just not the western ones, we are all full of applicants and those that dont respect our application process for citizenship. From what I hear it is relatively easy to denounce your citizenship and apply to China or Russia, they will take you.
 
Kola wrote: I barely make ends meet and I would easily quality for welfare, food stamps and free medical care. But I won't take a penny from them"

It states on your profile you are a well known farmer, I'd have to assume you have good meds? Perhaps If you made just a little more and got some to patients they might take care of you.. Of course you couldn't sell it, because that would be a part of an underground economy and you'd be ling on a Foodstamp application. I don't think there is a means for you to pay into social security if that were the case either.
 
I guess I had a different experience than all of you with my overages, they were gone immediately and patients gave generous donations and I never demanded a penny or set a price. Of course I don't pay out the ass to AN for nutes and the like, so I make out pretty good from card holders taking care of my needs without asking. I'm in better shape than some, especially those who mortgaged there houses 2 and 3 times. Because of tough decisions I made years ago and now reap rewards for, I would be one of those on Pierce morgan that applauded they are doing better now than 4 years ago... you have to see that it was funny, kinda got him like the Dem, delegate verbal vote fiasco..
 
One more thing, I don't have a green card, I have a birth certificate as a united states citizen, people who have green cards are ok in my book, it's those who discriminate against all others around the world who would like a shot at being an American citizen as well, by doing it legally. People don't think of it that way, ie an illigal from Canada, Mexico, or Britt, Blokes. It is discriminating against people like my mother in law born in thiland who go through a tremendous battle to become AMERICAN!!!!!


If I offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. : ) peace. Jessy Ventura for president 2016, lets get him on the ballot in all the states and end prohibition. With that said if George Bush got 2 terms, lets see what Obama can do, there will be no excuses then and perhaps, just maby he will resolve the MMJ issue, at least it will be status quoe. If Romney gets in, it's a fight tooth and nail, and that's a fact Jack.
 
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