what the FUCK is wrong with the USA

[Classic Remix]

18 kids dead now?

how many shootings this year?

jesus christ people, and the feds continue to tell people not to chill and smoke a j?


this shit is getting ridiculous. south of the border doesnt even sound so bad now...

 

[dirk d]

family structure is broken. No dad No mom No cousins No family. Lets not make abortion and counseling available to young girls that are pregnant. Let's not teach children about contraception and let's just not care about anyone other than ourselves. As long as i'm happy I don't care... Capitalism at it's finest.

 

[RIPP]

This is really bad I feel sorry about those kids. This terrible news is all over the globe.

Peace and love

 

[caregiverken]

it is very sad..

I hope folks don't think more gun laws would keep this stuff from happening..

More people need to have more guns to protect against these idiots that are coming out of the wood work

 

[caregiverken]

3. Lots of guns don’t necessarily mean lots of shootings, as you can see in Israel and Switzerland.
As David Lamp writes at Cato, “In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel ‘have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.’”

 

[fractal]

I can't help but think the Oregon shooting on Wednesday and the one today are related. The Oregon one didn't go as planned. . . Sounds like the shooter wasn't as well trained or programmed as this new one. Oregon guy busts in yelling "I am the shooter!" and only wacks two people. Not enough body count to get people riled up and calling for immediate changes. So to make sure they get their gun control measures pushed through they activated another shooter, this time sending him to a place where there are defenseless KIDS in a small room where they can't get away and a slaughter is the result. Now the president is hinting he will make damn sure some gun control measures are a foregone conclusion.

These fucking bastards will murder 20 children in order to get their gun control thing enacted. What do you think they want to do to the rest of us once we are disarmed, if they are willing to blow away 20 kids just to get to the rest of us?

 

[baba G]

I'm not gonna believe that this was done by the govt...skeptical is good but your treading deep, so ALL shooting are to promote gun regulation??? Think about how silly that sounds...

 

[kolah]

another good reason to home-school your kids.

 

[squiggly]

I can't help but think the Oregon shooting on Wednesday and the one today are related. The Oregon one didn't go as planned. . . Sounds like the shooter wasn't as well trained or programmed as this new one. Oregon guy busts in yelling "I am the shooter!" and only wacks two people. Not enough body count to get people riled up and calling for immediate changes. So to make sure they get their gun control measures pushed through they activated another shooter, this time sending him to a place where there are defenseless KIDS in a small room where they can't get away and a slaughter is the result. Now the president is hinting he will make damn sure some gun control measures are a foregone conclusion.

These fucking bastards will murder 20 children in order to get their gun control thing enacted. What do you think they want to do to the rest of us once we are disarmed, if they are willing to blow away 20 kids just to get to the rest of us?

You're fucking crazy.

Beyond that you've taken the blame away from the terrible person who did this so that you could put it on the shoulder's of a shadowy unknown governmental figure to further your batshit crazy conspiracy theories. Not only is this regrettable its reprehensible and stupid.

That's pussy shit so far as I'm concerned.


The problem is, as was already stated, capitalists don't give a shit if it doesn't affect them.

 

[2DogWalker]

You're fucking crazy.

Beyond that you've taken the blame away from the terrible person who did this so that you could put it on the shoulder's of a shadowy unknown governmental figure to further your batshit crazy conspiracy theories. Not only is this regrettable its reprehensible and stupid.

That's pussy shit so far as I'm concerned.


The problem is, as was already stated, capitalists don't give a shit if it doesn't affect them.

As a crazy person I agree w squigg here whole heartedly...really at a loss as to what is wrong w america. But as a 30 year old beard toting hunting fishing male I realize we must do something on a world level w weapon production. (Like fucking end it totally)

There has to be a change...my thoughts are with all those poor children and families who will forever live with today. My heart goes out to those people . Unfortunately the harsh reality is these things gs happen all over the world on a much too frequent basis...

Regretfully
2dw
2dw

 

[GR33NL3AF]

"Shooter at Conn. school said to have personality disorder" COME ON.....The kid was unstable and neglected, just like Columbine and Colorado shooters. The parent's and therapist's who are the ones responsible to oversee these troubled individuals need to put forth a little more effort. I thought I read the sick fuck who shot up the movie theater flat out wrote a letter to his therapist explaining exactly what he was going to do, that Dr. should be on trial too.

^Ending weapons production on a worldwide scale will not only never happen but is absolutely not the answer.

 

[Darth Fader]

People who blame "Capitalists" are semi-retarded. They are leftist ideologues who only want to use a tradgedy to score points for their political agenda. And they're too dumb to realize that we don't have real free-trade capitalism, we have a crony-capitalism/semi-socialistic corporatism system. And if families have disintegrated it is largely due to the increased power of the state.

While there is no evidence of a Leftist false flag operation, much larger and worse atrocities have been coldly executed in order to further an ideology.

 

[sanvanalona]

And if families have disintegrated it is largely due to the increased power of the state.

This is just flat wrong. Womans suffrage, a hyper-individualized culture, and our disappearing middle class are much more accurate reasons for the lack of family in our society.

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Why does it have to be political? The reason for this act of terror was ignorance...Every report I read mentioned this guy's instability, yet neither of his parents attempted to get him help.

 

[squiggly]

People who blame "Capitalists" are semi-retarded. They are leftist ideologues who only want to use a tradgedy to score points for their political agenda. And they're too dumb to realize that we don't have real free-trade capitalism, we have a crony-capitalism/semi-socialistic corporatism system. And if families have disintegrated it is largely due to the increased power of the state.

While there is no evidence of a Leftist false flag operation, much larger and worse atrocities have been coldly executed in order to further an ideology.

It's just a fact. It's the nature of capitalism--dog eat dog if you will.

Dog 3 doesn't give a shit if dog 1 eats dog 2--so long as it doesn't fuck with what dog 3 is up to.


It's not some leftist agenda--at least not for my part of the argument. I just look at it as a natural consequence.


Let me be clear, I'm not saying capitalism made this guy do anything--or that we could've prevented it somehow by not being such capitalists.

What I'm saying is that a week from now, most people won't give a shit about this. We'll have the same old guns kill people vs people kill people argument we've had for 50 years and we'll go about our business.


The only people who will ACTUALLY give a shit 5 years down the road, who will DO something about it--are going to be the people who were affected today.


The rest of us will merely keep "our thoughts and prayers' with the family. A nice thought, to be sure--but the effect is nil.


I'm definitely not trying to politicize this, it's just my opinion--and it's not that far fetched.


"Squiggly, do you mean to say that things that happen within our culture and our responses to them are affected by our culture?"

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. YOU can choose to politicize that very elementary notion if you please--but so far as I'm concerned it was just an observation, not meant to bolster any political position.

I'm a staunch supporter of capitalism--do I think it needs regulated? Yes, I do--but not abolished.

That's 100% different from how I believe our country deals with things like this psychologically--which is with a bunch of feigned feelings, and not much action at all.

 

[Darth Fader]

It's just a fact. It's the nature of capitalism--dog eat dog if you will.

This is the nature of the world, the nature of nature itself. It has nothing to do with capitalism. You will find dog-eat-dog/law of the jungle everywhere, with the worst offenses in the most corrupt countries with the worst (most "unjust") justice systems.

What I'm saying is that a week from now, most people won't give a shit about this.

This is also universal human nature. Crappy human nature is crappy, but also largely a Darwinian psychological coping mechanism. If we weren't wired that way I suppose we'd all have some trouble surviving and evolving in a constant state of angst and grief.

 

[chromedoggy]

Not to change the subject, or downplay this tragedy, but what about all the kids (and innocent adults) all over the world that get killed every day by our military, or any other militant people with weapons? Are they less important, because they're not white, or it's not as well televised, or they're not Christian, or whatever?? if we are going to talk about 'gun control' let's go to the top.

 

[squiggly]

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That's all well and good--but let's be clear. The words you would put in my mouth are not coming from me--I think this is a politics-free issue, personally. I DO think that our capitalists culture informs our decision making and reaction to things like this. You'd either be naive or a fool to suggest otherwise.

To suggest out culture affects our culture is almost redundant it's so obvious. Deny it as you might, the American consciousness is inextricable from American culture.

So far as I'm concerned, the gun debate was solved when the constitution guaranteed our right to bear arms (even IF the reasons for this have long since gone away--and they certainly have).

We need to stop having this false argument of guns kill ppl vs people kill people. That's bullshit, on both sides.

People kill people, and sometimes they use guns to make it easier on themselves--or to do more damage in total.

The answer is both.


I'll leave you with an Andy Borowitz quote which, I believe, brings to light the types of things we could be discussing instead of wasting our time with this endless impasse of an argument we're stubbornly drawn back to repeatedly when mass shootings occur:

"Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I wish mental health care were as easy to get as, say, a gun."

 

[fractal]

I get it squigg. . .You can't touch and see for yourself any top secret documents that talks about how they are creating conspiracies, so conspiracies don't exist. THAT is a fucking insane way to think, in my opinion. So let's agree to believe that each other are crazy people. I don't understand why you think there are no conspiracies about anything. It's pretty goddamned obvious that these modern mass shootings are staged events. And who benefits? The architects of the new world order who want Americans to be brought down a peg so they are more easily controlled. Dumbing us down through television and encouraging self-indulgent behavior is one way to make us easier to control. But to make sure we can't defend ourselves when the time comes, they desperately want to take our guns away, at least the semi autos. The only way to do that is to send programmed assassins to carry out mass shootings that result in massive knee-jerk reactionary politics to enforce new gun bans and anti gun laws. They finally did it this time, this one is different because it was almost all children. The support for new anti gun laws will be stronger than ever, the president said today that something will be done even if we don't like it.
You can believe what you want, I don't care if anybody shares my beliefs. I'm just telling you how it is.

 

[fractal]

So far as I'm concerned, the gun debate was solved when the constitution guaranteed our right to bear arms (even IF the reasons for this have long since gone away--and they certainly have).

How can you be so intelligent in some ways, yet so freaking stupid in other ways? Are you one of those people who think the 2nd amendment is about goddamned HUNTING? It's got nothing to do with hunting. The point is to give us a way to defend ourselves from the armies of tyrannical government. Last time I checked, we still have a government and that represents a threat because government controls the military. As long as we have a government with potential for despotism and tyranny, we need to have modern weapons equal to what they could use on us. Otherwise we would be the next cambodia, soviet union or germany. The freaking REASON is as relevant as ever what is wrong with you?