Who on the Farm Signed up for Obama Care?

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^^^^ You mean there are laws and rules even the president must follow? Democrats will have your balls lino and insist that you disagree with his agenda because... "He's Black" :woot:

P.S. Don't you dare mention his "White" mother... Democrats never do! Damn, I always thought Obama was a White dude with A Black father... but he's really A Black dude with A White mother? Learn something new every day ;)
 
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Behind every Great Man... There's A Woman!

Shut up Barack
 
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Do tell... curious about the deductible cost and prescription coverage. Current premiums are based on "X" amount of people being enrolled, so far only 1/3 of the number necessary have signed on and they are not of the age group needed (almost All are Older and Sicker) So what happens next year if people don't sign on... More insurance companies fold or the government bails them out, price goes up ^^^^ The devil is in the details and no one ever said "Your Rates Will Never Go UP... ;)
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Your coverage depends on which plan you choose and how much you want to spend. I have worked a real job with taxable income all my life. My employer used to pick a good part of my health care, paid vacation, etc. Been with the same company 16 years. after 2008 that all went away. I picked the mid range plan (silver plan). I think for prescriptions I will be paying $15 for generic. Deductible I think will be $5000 which if I remember right is also my max out of pocket. Done with dealing with the government for now anyway. Anthem should be sending me the details of my plan soon. I hope? Sort of wondering where all the funds for subsidizing these policies is going to come from? Total cost of this plan is over $600 per month before Obama helps me out, LOL. He is supposed to take care of a big chunk. Which is determined by my yearly income. Me and my lady have payed more than our fair share to Dr's, hospitals and insurance companies over the years.
 
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Your coverage depends on which plan you choose and how much you want to spend. I have worked a real job with taxable income all my life. My employer used to pick a good part of my health care, paid vacation, etc. Been with the same company 16 years. after 2008 that all went away. I picked the mid range plan (silver plan). I think for prescriptions I will be paying $15 for generic. Deductible I think will be $5000 which if I remember right is also my max out of pocket. Done with dealing with the government for now anyway. Anthem should be sending me the details of my plan soon. I hope? Sort of wondering where all the funds for subsidizing these policies is going to come from? Total cost of this plan is over $600 per month before Obama helps me out, LOL. He is supposed to take care of a big chunk. Which is determined by my yearly income. Me and my lady have payed more than our fair share to Dr's, hospitals and insurance companies over the years.
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I am by no means belittling the coverage you have managed to obtain in any way, shape of form brother... From what I gather, that $5000 deductible is per individual so if there was something as simple as an Auto Accident, Heaven Forbid, you can afford 10K out of pocket before your coverage kicks in?

I am not here to be the Harbinger of Sorrow, Read the small print and if you don't understand it find someone who does / can before you just consider everything handled... Don't rely on the promise of A "Subsidy" because it is obvious that budgets / promises are being broken left and right... Military retirement benefit cut (to "Reduce Deficit?") being the "Biggest" one broke in recent weeks off the top of my head... The Government is "Telling Us" they can't afford the current debt, They need "More" money (while programs are being cut, Left and Right and Government "Expands" along with their Pay Scale) Read between the lines... We'll be "Letting" Government Increase the "Limit of Debt"... Again, 2014. Hold on to your Ass Bro... :wideyed:
 
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Depends on what you mean by afford. I am in my 50's still working and have worked all my adult life, as well as my lady is the same age and working and has always worked. Yes I have credit so does my lady. Fortunately, yes I could take a 10K hit. When it comes to hospitals 10 k barely gets you in the front door. My ladies company takes care of her insurance. We both have taken hits. I fell and had a branch pierce my arm and break off inside. My part of the bill was 7k. My lady had cancer was down in UCLA medical center for a week after a 9 hour surgery, bill was in the 100's of thousands. We gladly paid our part and said thank you. Well it really was not that easy. Had to fight with her insurance company for 6 months before I got them to pay their obligation. All and all if we added it all up. What we have paid (premiums, dr & hospital bills etc) over the years. The insurance has paid out a lot more than we have paid them. Not relying on the subsidy or anything else from the govenment. Just going at it one day at a time. If this Obama care goes south which it may. I guess I will have to marry my lady and get on hers. She gets dental and vision with hers! LOL. I will deal with whatever happens when it happens. Sort of like the Social Security I have paid into all my life. Not counting on it but if it's there when I retire I will take it. If can get even a year or two of coverage out of this it will save me quite a bit. Hopefully the only thing I will need it for is my prescription benefits and check ups. Today life is good. I still have 8 days left on my Aetna plan,LOL. Not going to worry too much about tomorrow. I will deal with it when it gets here. Peace.
 
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So, It would seem you (below frigid) are in the minority (Happy With) according to your description above but how well does that same broad policy slapped on A 20 to 30 something that is buried in debt due to the cost of education and lack of jobs served? No lifetime of established credit card plastic (witch is in effect is "Not" taking A "Hit" but an "I'll pay you Later") for many that live Pay Check to Pay Check, Making enough to get by, but to much to be subsidized. Their catastrophic insurance canceled because it does not meet the Presidents standard, Witch they can Now Re Purchase if they can't "Afford" Affordable Health Care? (another recent exemption, so they will not be paying into the necessary Pool to make AHC functional) They are not (being served) and they know it, and therefor will refuse to pay... Yet the plan is based on hookin' into them like A Tick on A Dog just like the Social Security that you mention that you and I both paid into but may never see any benefit from due to Governmental Mismanagement???

President Obama is systematically "Dismantling" his own Health Care Plan via. his own exemptions allowing various select people and groups to "Not Pay" undermining the funding of "His Legacy" Obama Care plan???

We (Federal Government) Can Run Health Care... Trust Us :woot:

This is by definition "Not" Affordable Health Care as sold to the American people on the eve of A 2012 Election Campaign based on Lies... The truth is on video and the President has admitted it as such... I will predict it Here and Now that the Presidents "Ideas and Manipulation" of the Health Care Law by @ Least 15 Executive Orders will crash the Insurance Industry as it Exists with many Companies looking to file bankruptcy but not allowed to do so and A "Bitter" Fight over A Government Bailout to supplement A failing industry (GM, Housing Market?)... That will be preempted by A 2014 Mid Term that will wreak Havoc on the Democratic Senate...
 
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SoCal 420 said:
So, It would seem you (below frigid) are in the minority (Happy With) according to your description above but how well does that same broad policy slapped on A 20 to 30 something that is buried in debt due to the cost of education and lack of jobs served? No lifetime of established credit card plastic (witch is in effect is "Not" taking A "Hit" but an "I'll pay you Later") for many that live Pay Check to Pay Check, Making enough to get by, but to much to be subsidized. Their catastrophic insurance canceled because it does not meet the Presidents standard, Witch they can Now Re Purchase if they can't "Afford" Affordable Health Care? (another recent exemption, so they will not be paying into the necessary Pool to make AHC functional) They are not (being served) and they know it, and therefor will refuse to pay... Yet the plan is based on hookin' into them like A Tick on A Dog just like the Social Security that you mention that you and I both paid into but may never see any benefit from due to Governmental Mismanagement???

President Obama is systematically "Dismantling" his own Health Care Plan via. his own exemptions allowing various select people and groups to "Not Pay" undermining the funding of "His Legacy" Obama Care plan???

We (Federal Government) Can Run Health Care... Trust Us :woot:

This is by definition "Not" Affordable Health Care as sold to the American people on the eve of A 2012 Election Campaign based on Lies... The truth is on video and the President has admitted it as such... I will predict it Here and Now that the Presidents "Ideas and Manipulation" of the Health Care Law by @ Least 15 Executive Orders will crash the Insurance Industry as it Exists with many Companies looking to file bankruptcy but not allowed to do so and A "Bitter" Fight over A Government Bailout to supplement A failing industry (GM, Housing Market?)... That will be preempted by A 2014 Mid Term that will wreak Havoc on the Democratic Senate...
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Yes I do have the cash to
 
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Yes I do have the cash to
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Do "NOT" take my statements directly bf... I greatly appreciate your view and postings... These are all statements made towards the general "Idea" of A "Thing" called Obama Care / Affordable Health Care that was Sold to the American People as an "Idea" to benefit the many as opposed to the few and the simple fact that more people have been canceled and more to come after small business exemption ends in 2014 as opposed to those that have "Signed On" is an example of "The Proof is in the Details" as is often stated as far as I am concerned... ;)
 
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Well I am getting on the silver plan and it will cost me the same as what I was already paying with a decent plan. Only difference is my deductable will be less, so I see it as a good thing.

If you don't make a lto of money you can get a really good plan, like the enhanced silver plan, where you can get back nearly all of your expenses via tax refund at the end of the year.

It's actually really simplified the insurance plans, and for the most part they are cheaper. I am not a fan of Obama and really wanted to hate the idea of obamacare but it actually looks pretty decent when you compare. Especially the part where the fuckin insurance companies can't discriminate against you based on pre exising conditions. It goes by age, income and the amount of coverage you want/need, deductible you are willign to pay, etc.

Pretty good if you ask me.
 
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Funny you mention "Discrimination"... I am currently contemplating opening A door for A Class Action based on the words of the Supreme Court and the United States Government with Case president already established... via. an Attorney Pro Bono... I'm sure there are some smart ones out there so here is the basics...

I am by no means A Harvard Law Professor but I do "Live" within the boundaries of law... ;) and have the ability to interpret and simplify things made needlessly complex...

So, based on the statement so often made by NASCAR (they only turn to the left) politicians... If Obama Care is "The Law of the Land" as so often stated... Shouted from the top of the Senate Hill by Harry Reid himself... (worm) and Re Written and Supported as A mandated "Tax" by the Supreme Court :wideyed:...

If they are "All" held true to their words... Including the Highest Court of the Land... Does Obama himself have the Authority to "Choose" people or groups that "He" Will or Will Not Impose A Tax On or Exempt From, without voted consent of, the House or Senate???

I'm No Attorney but I smell Class Action Law Suits in the Future of Obama Care based on the discriminate selection of Who will Pay and Who will Not determined solely by Political, Union, Business affiliation... or the amount of income you possess or do not... :woot:

The President...

Sovereign immunity in the United States

Exceptions and abrogation
There are exceptions to the doctrine of sovereign immunities derived from the 11th amendment:
Discrimination
If the state or local government entities receive federal funding (I.E. Taxes) for whatever purpose, they cannot claim sovereign immunity if they are sued in federal court for discrimination. The United States Code, Title 42, Section 2000d-7 explicitly says this.

Doe v. Nebraska in the 8th Circuit[3] and Thomas v. University of Houston of the 5th Circuit[4] have held that, as long as the state entity receives federal funding, then the sovereign immunity for discrimination cases is not abrogated, but voluntarily waived.

So... Lets hear what people think
 
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the problem with pre existing conditions is they didn't put a cap on what rates they can charge for those conditions.my wife has cancer and when you actually call an ins agent to get a real quote it makes you sick to hear the rates and deductables.so it looks like I can get soso ins for her for about 1800.00 a month with 20,000.00 deduct.nobody really knows how many doctors will accept these new plans either,the hospital we are currently using put out a new list of ins companies they will except and its not very long,i think 4 companies total.if you watch the news this last month there have been a ton of doctors come out and say they WILL NOT take Medicaid any longer because the gov set new prices that will force them to drop existing patients or just simply retire altogether.so when you do find a doc that takes all these new "better" plans it will look like best buy on black Friday before they open the doors lol.lines and waits like we have never seen in this country is what the doctors predict.i tend to believe the docs over our finely tuned gov :)

what do we have 8 or 9 more days and we get to see how it goes for people actually trying to use there new ins.im betting this shit falls apart right about the end of January when docs say enough and just quit/retire.not to mention we already have a shortage of doctors in this country .
 
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There are so many story's like yours but they are seldom heard especially from Ca. that is supposedly the Shinning Example of Obama Care and Bluer than A Smurfs Balls... :woot: The reports are skewed to say the least and that is why the True Numbers of Young Adults that enrolled (the ones that Make Obama Care Functional) are not being released. The true numbers can't be hidden forever because when things start falling apart the Fed will no longer be able to hide the numbers... :wideyed:
 
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Funny you mention "Discrimination"... I am currently contemplating opening A door for A Class Action based on the words of the Supreme Court and the United States Government with Case president already established... via. an Attorney Pro Bono... I'm sure there are some smart ones out there so here is the basics...

I am by no means A Harvard Law Professor but I do "Live" within the boundaries of law... ;) and have the ability to interpret and simplify things made needlessly complex...

So, based on the statement so often made by NASCAR (they only turn to the left) politicians... If Obama Care is "The Law of the Land" as so often stated... Shouted from the top of the Senate Hill by Harry Reid himself... (worm) and Re Written and Supported as A mandated "Tax" by the Supreme Court :wideyed:...

If they are "All" held true to their words... Including the Highest Court of the Land... Does Obama himself have the Authority to "Choose" people or groups that "He" Will or Will Not Impose A Tax On or Exempt From, without voted consent of, the House or Senate???

I'm No Attorney but I smell Class Action Law Suits in the Future of Obama Care based on the discriminate selection of Who will Pay and Who will Not determined solely by Political, Union, Business affiliation... or the amount of income you possess or do not... :woot:

The President...

Sovereign immunity in the United States

Exceptions and abrogation
There are exceptions to the doctrine of sovereign immunities derived from the 11th amendment:
Discrimination
If the state or local government entities receive federal funding (I.E. Taxes) for whatever purpose, they cannot claim sovereign immunity if they are sued in federal court for discrimination. The United States Code, Title 42, Section 2000d-7 explicitly says this.

Doe v. Nebraska in the 8th Circuit[3] and Thomas v. University of Houston of the 5th Circuit[4] have held that, as long as the state entity receives federal funding, then the sovereign immunity for discrimination cases is not abrogated, but voluntarily waived.

So... Lets hear what people think
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I like your angle here,its better than impeachment because it sounds like if one were to win such a case,somebody would be held accountable and maybe do some jail time lol.I would think the "opt out" plan would be just as legal as these gov officials and their staffs ability to opt out right?
 
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Life Long Democrat and Supporter of Obama, John Stewart gives his view points on Obama Care...

 
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I like your angle here,its better than impeachment because it sounds like if one were to win such a case,somebody would be held accountable and maybe do some jail time lol.I would think the "opt out" plan would be just as legal as these gov officials and their staffs ability to opt out right?
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Opt Out would Kill Obama Care by the simple refusal of Young Adults to Sign Up... No young people that have High Premiums and little use of the system, The system collapses, No Obama Care.
A discriminatory law suit would have A compensatory damages award... In simpler terms $$$$ awarded for damages to be determined by attorney's who get more $$$$ for A higher settlement and potentially Gut the Law by putting and end to special Privilege / Discrimination via. the President through Executive Order of One Party or Group of People over Others... Fight Fire w/ Fire I always say... ;)
 
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Opt Out would Kill Obama Care by the simple refusal of Young Adults to Sign Up... No young people that have High Premiums and little use of the system, The system collapses, No Obama Care.
A discriminatory law suit would have A compensatory damages award... In simpler terms $$$$ awarded for damages to be determined by attorney's who get more $$$$ for A higher settlement and potentially Gut the Law by putting and end to special Privilege / Discrimination via. the President through Executive Order of One Party or Group of People over Others... Fight Fire w/ Fire I always say... ;)
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SoCal, have a MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 
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It is true that the app for OC is very privacy invasive but yet it will no be "private" at all?
 
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