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GrowRU
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SunGrown
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I am familiar with the werk shop. You will notice abamectin is not listed as a recovered pesticide?No, maybe your not comprehending. Sometimes boils down to being educated on all the solutions and the outcomes.
A certified advisor for example: gives options and the customer chooses what best fits there scenario. Most of the time potential harm to health and the earth is no longer a factor then.
IPM program takes work time and $$. vs spraying pesticides cost $$ but take less time usually.
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Study: Determination of Pesticide Residues in Cannabis Smoke
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2013/378168/
Medical Cannabis Quality Control in California: Keeping a Weed Free Garden
SpiderK
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..... I think we found out most " sellers " use this shit & when the time comes chem's or chop it's more like chem's, keep flowering then sell on the hushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ....
;) fuck the med patients i guess .....
;) fuck the med patients i guess .....
SunGrown
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Most "sellers" don't have to "sell" on the hush, as you put it. Seriously
Lab tests prove cleanliness....I am sure before the year is out guys who sprayed with avid will post up test results in this thread for all to see.
Maybe I will dedicate one plant to avid treatment and test it and post up the results. Some of you would not care or believe me anyway.
Sometimes egos need to be set aside during what is supposed to be a discussion.
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SpiderK
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lol........ labs testing for chems ... $$$$$$$
and who's testing for the black market .... this shits rollin across that market 24/7
and who's testing for the black market .... this shits rollin across that market 24/7
SunGrown
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if you cant afford 60 to 100$ IDK what to tell you
SpiderK
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i don't sell. i grow my own .....
SunGrown
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you are not adding anything to the conversation but your egotistical attitude. You realize this yet you post to hear yourself sound what you believe to be (insert adjective here...cool, neat, awesome, etc...)....good luck with that
SunGrown
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As do I my friend
SpiderK
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yup .... love calling out the grey area ....
caveman4.20
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Great post
Seamaiden
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How would they be Dx'd, exactly? First, the patient would have to have a clue that it's something to do with the cannabis they're consuming. There's also the issue of the given doctor--how diligent is s/he, do they have access to appropriate testing, etc? It's a tangled mess in this particular arena for many, many reasons, not the least of which is a complete and total lack of a paper trail, which is how taints are usually found. There *is* no paper trail, which is how it's done.
(On one hand, I apologize for my use of the word 'taint' but on the other hand, I decided to just grab my balls and go with it. :D )
I wish I could be confident in California labs with regard to protocols, consistency of testing methods, etc. I'm not so sure about that, though, especially given what baba G has relayed about his experiences using Cali labs.
What if those guys who sprayed Avid had their product tested, discovered there are residuals and don't want that known?
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When you smoke pot, you might also be smoking a glut of nasty chemicals. A new study published in the Journal of Toxicology found that up to 70 percent of the pesticides on a given marijuana bud can transfer to the inhaled smoke.
Researcher Jeffrey Raber, a chemist who runs a medical cannabis testing company in Pasadena, Calif. called the Werc Shop, conducted the study inspired by prior research conducted on cigarettes, which showed that smokers could inhale compounds present on tobacco.
Researcher Jeffrey Raber, a chemist who runs a medical cannabis testing company in Pasadena, Calif. called the Werc Shop, conducted the study inspired by prior research conducted on cigarettes, which showed that smokers could inhale compounds present on tobacco.
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State and federal laws dictate that pesticides should only be used on approved crops – which do not include pot – and that the pesticides must be sold in packaging that is labeled according to standards prescribed by the Environmental Protection Agency. It is illegal to sell pesticides without this label, which explains how to safely apply the substances.
"When people are faced with a high dollar loss or taking a risk, they take the risk," said Sean Taylor, the owner of 3rd St. Hydroponics in Oakland, who says his shop refuses to sell the toxic substances. "I've had growers come in and I could smell it."
The issue of pesticides and pot has become a concern throughout the marijuana industry. Last year, the Los Angeles Police Department bought pot from one L.A. store called Hemp Factory V and found residues of a pesticide called bifenthrin, a chemical that is moderately toxic to mammals when ingested.
http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/upload...n_for_Medical_Cannabis/Pot and Pesticides.pdf
"When people are faced with a high dollar loss or taking a risk, they take the risk," said Sean Taylor, the owner of 3rd St. Hydroponics in Oakland, who says his shop refuses to sell the toxic substances. "I've had growers come in and I could smell it."
The issue of pesticides and pot has become a concern throughout the marijuana industry. Last year, the Los Angeles Police Department bought pot from one L.A. store called Hemp Factory V and found residues of a pesticide called bifenthrin, a chemical that is moderately toxic to mammals when ingested.
http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/upload...n_for_Medical_Cannabis/Pot and Pesticides.pdf
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"If the pesticide is inhaled, then this is quite worrisome," said Dr. Beate Ritz, an environmental health epidemiologist at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Pubic Health. "And these patients might be much more vulnerable."
"Pesticides affect the nervous systems of insects. Our nervous systems are similar to theirs," added Ritz, noting that for patients with terminal illnesses, the benefits of smoking marijuana might outweigh long-term risks of pesticide exposure, such as cancer and heart disease. But acute risks such as flu-like illnesses and respiratory problems, she said, would still be a serious concern.
Evan Mascagni stumbled across the issue of contaminated cannabis while filming his upcoming documentary, "Toxic Profits," which highlights the global sale of pesticides banned in the U.S. He noted concern among many in California that because marijuana remains illegal under federal law, the U.S. Department of Agriculture doesn't allow any organic certification for its products.
Some independent efforts such as Clean Green Certified have sprouted, but even crops from growers who think they are complying with organic standards sometimestest positive for pesticides.
"You can only imagine the pesticides that are being used on marijuana grown elsewhere by profit-driven farmers" who may not care about the health of consumers or the environment, Mascagni told HuffPost in an email.
"Pesticides affect the nervous systems of insects. Our nervous systems are similar to theirs," added Ritz, noting that for patients with terminal illnesses, the benefits of smoking marijuana might outweigh long-term risks of pesticide exposure, such as cancer and heart disease. But acute risks such as flu-like illnesses and respiratory problems, she said, would still be a serious concern.
Evan Mascagni stumbled across the issue of contaminated cannabis while filming his upcoming documentary, "Toxic Profits," which highlights the global sale of pesticides banned in the U.S. He noted concern among many in California that because marijuana remains illegal under federal law, the U.S. Department of Agriculture doesn't allow any organic certification for its products.
Some independent efforts such as Clean Green Certified have sprouted, but even crops from growers who think they are complying with organic standards sometimestest positive for pesticides.
"You can only imagine the pesticides that are being used on marijuana grown elsewhere by profit-driven farmers" who may not care about the health of consumers or the environment, Mascagni told HuffPost in an email.
Seamaiden
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And that's the key. There ARE no 'cides,' of any sort, approved for use on cannabis. Except paraquat. D'oh! :o
SunGrown
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spider, I like all your recent replies. The thing is myself, or others I know never have never over applied avid and never in flower. 2ml per gallon and only when all other treatments, such as takedown, have failed. And I never dipped clones in anything other than a neem or pyrethrin bath, why would you start off with avid? I would like to think a person wouldn't but they do.
The thing is I am sure most folks do very much over apply and also may not be rotating treatments either.
SO proper education is more key than saying "it is bad, don't use it", because the fact is, thousands of guys are still gonna use it.
Like the heroin needle exchanges or free condoms from the clinic. If some had their way neither would exist, because their answer is drugs and sex are bad so do not let safe access and real helpful information exist. That is a flawed logic.
Am I starting to make any sense on this yet?
The thing is I am sure most folks do very much over apply and also may not be rotating treatments either.
SO proper education is more key than saying "it is bad, don't use it", because the fact is, thousands of guys are still gonna use it.
Like the heroin needle exchanges or free condoms from the clinic. If some had their way neither would exist, because their answer is drugs and sex are bad so do not let safe access and real helpful information exist. That is a flawed logic.
Am I starting to make any sense on this yet?
caveman4.20
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If I may? Me, personally, and by no means am I imposing, only sharing what I do and do not do, and criticism is welcome, I don't learn to live with or through infestations of powdery mildew, spider mites, aphids or any kind of Borg. I do destroy then throw away host plant if room is infested shut down room, if house is so on and so forth. Ounce of prevention equals a pound of cure....start all over with best of resources possible meaning safe beneficial medium, seeds and environment...
SunGrown
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I agree but if you practice IPM in the first place then these issues shouldn't come up at all. No matter what your scale. Years ago I used to have all kinds of problems, now, pretty much never and my scale has increased many fold. With time has came education and good work ethics. Usually it is the lazy gardener with weak and unhealthy plants that will over spray things like avid when all of a sudden they notice shit is outta control.
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