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Anyone know what ole mate @soserthc1 ended up naming his strain .

Ned Kelly said:

Anyone know what ole mate @soserthc1 ended up naming his strain .

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No decisions yet actually haven't had a moment to ponder it .
I'm am going back cross block head and call in square head . I'll get back with others tonight .

Well shucks...two of my three plants hermied this weekend. No light leaks. My white widow big bud feminized seed is doing great, not signs on herm. Guess those two seeds were just meant to be herms haha. Oh well that's what I get for messing with unknown seeds. My alien og was the worst of the two. It threw out some straight sacks. I plucked every one of them off bc I have seen absolutely none on the flowers forming. Its a good ways along for 16 days. Anyways what I'm getting at is can I pluck these sacks and the plant possibly be ok? I usually just throw them out but I can't afford to this round. The other plant only had one branch that showed herm traits.

Fireball anyone? Day 12....

Danky Mcnugs said:

Well shucks...two of my three plants hermied this weekend. No light leaks. My white widow big bud feminized seed is doing great, not signs on herm. Guess those two seeds were just meant to be herms haha. Oh well that's what I get for messing with unknown seeds. My alien og was the worst of the two. It threw out some straight sacks. I plucked every one of them off bc I have seen absolutely none on the flowers forming. Its a good ways along for 16 days. Anyways what I'm getting at is can I pluck these sacks and the plant possibly be ok? I usually just throw them out but I can't afford to this round. The other plant only had one branch that showed herm traits.

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SSucks to hear about the sacks. I grew out ww X bb and 3 out of 5 threw sacks at some point. Ended up with 1 that gave up 9 oz though in a 5 gal with 8-9 week veg. Nice plant but nowhere near the potency I needed. Not bad for cash crop. Good luck

SeaF0ur said:

Variegation VS Mosaic Virus

First there is mutational variegation.. in this case the mutated sections generally do not produce enough chlorophyll to properly photosynthesize. The lack of chlorophyll causes a grey or yellow blotchy spot at random. The mutation either persists, or is minimized through cutting selection.

Then there is chimeral variegation... in this case there are actually 2 sets of differing DNA. This also can be controlled via cutting selection.

Finally, Viral variegation... Viruses don’t reproduce by themselves. They are ‘obligate parasites’... Once inside the plant, the plant is used to produce more virus. The plant cannot grow properly because its energy and nutrients are diverted away by the virus.

The variegation becomes the least of your worries here... I've seen just the entire left side of a plant wither and die while the right side stayed perfect... crazy twisted leaves... not just discoloration...

It should be treated as if it were airborne because an insect can transmit the virus, from plant to plant, just by flying around and making contact between plants... tools... soil... once in soil it can live for years and through winters...

If it's a virus, there is a test, but you'll likely know it once shit goes haywire... but I've found viral variegation to be much more rare than the other 2 types and they are not major issues.

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Not to start a pissin match but I do believe 'mutational' and 'chimera' variegation are the same thing. Whenever a 'gene' mutates and shows variegation I believe it is a 'chimera'. Whether it is producing chlorophyll, carotenoids, or anthocyanins.
Viral infections can cause 'variegation' but that type of variegation is very unstable, ie; each leaf or flower is different or shows varying amounts of variegation.
The photos that were posted look more like a 'viral' variegation IMO than any other type.

These are examples of viral variegation, fwiw

IDK why it posted the pics like that, my bad:oops:

Yep I'm aware the widow big bud likes to herm towards the end. These two I'm talking about are just flat out true hermie. No way it's my environment. Temps are 74-77 lights on 66-68 lights off. RH is 55-60 on 60-65 off. No light leaks. Kinda sucks. I'm gonna keep plucking away at them...literally.

@rubthe nub and @SeaF0ur thanks for dropping the wisdom. I knew this would bring some knowledgable conversation. Love learning more about this friggin plant respect

rubthe nub said:

Not to start a pissin match but I do believe 'mutational' and 'chimera' variegation are the same thing. Whenever a 'gene' mutates and shows variegation I believe it is a 'chimera'. Whether it is producing chlorophyll, carotenoids, or anthocyanins.
Viral infections can cause 'variegation' but that type of variegation is very unstable, ie; each leaf or flower is different or shows varying amounts of variegation.
The photos that were posted look more like a 'viral' variegation IMO than any other type.

These are examples of viral variegation, fwiw

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Basically the same, you are correct... the actual difference is whether the mutations are periclinal, mericlinal or sectorial...

Periclinal chimeras are the most important category since they are relatively stable and can be vegetatively propagated. A mutation produces a periclinal chimera if the affected cell is positioned near the apical dome so that the cells produced by subsequent divisions form an entire layer of the mutated type. The resulting meristem contains one layer which is genetically different from the remainder of the meristem. If, for example, the mutation occurs in L.I, then the epidermal layer of the shoot which is produced after the mutation is the new genetic type.

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Mericlinal chimeras are produced when the derivatives of the mutated cell do not entirely cover the apical dome. A mutated cell layer may be maintained on only one portion of the meristem giving rise to chimeral shoots or leaves which develop in that portion while those that differentiate on all other portions of the meristem are normal, nonchimeral shoots. Many mericlinal chimeras involve such a limited number of cells that only a small portion of one leaf may be affected. As was the case with periclinal chimeras, mericlinal chimeras are generally restricted to one cell layer.

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Sectorial chimeras result from mutations which affect sections of the apical meristem, the altered genotype extending through all the cell layers. This chimeral type is unstable and can give rise to shoots and leaves which are not chimeras. Both normal types and mutated types can be produced, depending upon the point on the apex from which the shoots differentiate.

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anyone know the best stuff to get slime out of humidifiers , obviously something that wont harm the plants . cheers

Sectorial chimeras result from mutations which affect sections of the apical meristem, the altered genotype extending through all the cell layers. This chimeral type is unstable and can give rise to shoots and leaves which are not chimeras. Both normal types and mutated types can be produced, depending upon the point on the apex from which the shoots differentiate.

Those are 'witches brooms'

Periclinal chimeras are the most important category since they are relatively stable and can be vegetatively propagated. A mutation produces a periclinal chimera if the affected cell is positioned near the apical dome so that the cells produced by subsequent divisions form an entire layer of the mutated type. The resulting meristem contains one layer which is genetically different from the remainder of the meristem. If, for example, the mutation occurs in L.I, then the epidermal layer of the shoot which is produced after the mutation is the new genetic type.

Stable variegated ornamental plants, this type of mutation can also be passed on offspring. ie: hosta and heuchera
A lot of breeding has been done with these types of plants.

Mericlinal chimeras are produced when the derivatives of the mutated cell do not entirely cover the apical dome. A mutated cell layer may be maintained on only one portion of the meristem giving rise to chimeral shoots or leaves which develop in that portion while those that differentiate on all other portions of the meristem are normal, nonchimeral shoots. Many mericlinal chimeras involve such a limited number of cells that only a small portion of one leaf may be affected. As was the case with periclinal chimeras, mericlinal chimeras are generally restricted to one cell layer.

These are just 'sports'. I've seen them on many trees, shrubs or perennials over the years.

I'm just a layman that happens to know a couple things;)
What I also know is that the pic that was posted does NOT fall into any of the above categories.
I'll stand by my original post, that plant looks like it has a virus, TMV in particular

Ned Kelly said:

anyone know the best stuff to get slime out of humidifiers , obviously something that wont harm the plants . cheers

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bleach, 10:1 or 10% is OK for plants

cheers bro .

Just to clarify, sometimes after I post I reread and realize doh!
10 parts water
1 part bleach, ex...Clorox, household bleach

FlyinJStable said:

Its always a good problem to have.... to many great Ladies with not enough Flower space.
better than not enough to fill flower room... Now that would be a Travesty.
finished up run 6 and headed into the Jars tonight fer the long Cure.
numbers are getting better thanks to all the Knowledge here in the threads, Big Thanks to @Tnelz @Power OG @Capulator for always sharing with The FlyJ.
Sample Plate of my girls.
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LoL only keeping the ChemSoda OG #1 and the Poison Ivy fer myself this round . . . .
Now its time to Chuck some Pollen...
Peace Farmers
FlyJ

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Looking really great j!

@rubthe nub if it is tmv what bad possibilities am I looking at? I dont see any ill effects from it and its been on there a while isnt proggessing and I havent seen it on any other plants. I see the mutation on maybe 2 or 3 leaves

It 'might' not be TMV, it can be spread to other plants, via tools, hands, possibly bugs
Was it a cut you received? Unless it's something REALLY special I'd cull it.
At the very least try and keep it separate from the rest of the heard.

Here is a nice short page that will tell you what you need to know.
http://extension.psu.edu/pests/plant-diseases/all-fact-sheets/tobacco-mosaic-virus-in-greenhouses

test kits, kinda spendy but.........

rubthe nub said:

It 'might' not be TMV, it can be spread to other plants, via tools, hands, possibly bugs
Was it a cut you received? Unless it's something REALLY special I'd cull it.
At the very least try and keep it separate from the rest of the heard.

Here is a nice short page that will tell you what you need to know.
http://extension.psu.edu/pests/plant-diseases/all-fact-sheets/tobacco-mosaic-virus-in-greenhouses

test kits, kinda spendy but.........
https://orders.agdia.com/InventoryD.asp?loc=IN&collection=ISK 57400&attribute_Size=25

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ik thinkin it has to be something else. I got a clone mothered it took 3 clones killed the mother. 1 of the 3 clones I took is showing it the 3 have never been more than 6 inches away from each other for the last 3 months but only one out of 6 plants in the room is showing this. Its not progressing only on 3 leaves and showin no ill effects not turning yellow brown crispy dying off or anything

Hey T ,i dont know if iv asked you this before,probably have and i cant remember,but what would you suggest to get rid of fungus gnat larvea in the root zone?im open to anything as long as ots no too extreme.thanks Tnelz.