Stop The Bro Science Behind Molasses And Other Organic Stuff

Ecompost · Oct 8, 2017

oh and @oldskol4evr on biochar this link has others you might use too

Organikz · Oct 8, 2017

@Ecompost wouldn't the upper animal with saliva be the plant itself exuding carbohydrates or the worms. Their whole body secretes enzymes for bacteria to feed on no?. That's basically what the MBP does is recreate the process of exudation.

Mimicking on a larger scale to allow nutrients to become.available before the plant signals for them.

Glad you guys had this discussion. Here's why giys become cult like. Do you know how much money I have wasted and would have wasted because of cannabis aimed grow lines. The industry is full of smoke an mirrors. Hydro shoo owners claiming inorganic products to be organic. Had a kid tell me all salt ferts are organic. They don't bother to pay for the sticker and that it take 5 years to cook soil.

What we are is the cape buffalo. The lion thinks the cape buffalo makes a good meal but the predator soon becomes the prey. Cape buffalo will kill lions to keep them from pickling off the herd. They literally hunt them down and kill them.

However @Ecompost is passionate and will talk with you one on one. He isn't giving out the secret sauce but it's not snake oil. He develops using mixtures of aerobic and anaerobic processes like a Korean farming hybrid. Cool as guy and loaded with info.

Organikz · Oct 8, 2017

But i understand the fight against the scourge known as the hydro industry. Flat out lying and it's okay....

Using psychological tricks to spin people in circles. I shit you not a kid told me a plant cant be grown without bottled nutes.

I know it's not happening but I feel like they're no different than a common mugger or con artist and should be I'm jail.

Remember what the masa says. The child playing in the mud understands nature better than the child sitting in class learning about nature. On what level does the understanding just need to stop? Just to allow things to be. Discriminate thinking comes into play if we don't.

I never came out and explained Alan but we do know were putting stuff back but it's all in the sauce. We don't say oh I need some nitrogen...better go get some blood meal or this or that. Read my sig. You still don't belieb me. Masa even says it here.

"The wheat that grows of its own accord from fallen seed" so you see seeds are the missing link. Unless we want to start seeding plants for fertilizer haha

New line of nutes...malted cannabis seeds.

Ecompost · Oct 8, 2017

Organikz said:
@Ecompost wouldn't the upper animal with saliva be the plant itself exuding carbohydrates or the worms. Their whole body secretes enzymes for bacteria to feed on no?. That's basically what the MBP does is recreate the process of exudation.

Mimicking on a larger scale to allow nutrients to become.available before the plant signals for them.

Glad you guys had this discussion. Here's why giys become cult like. Do you know how much money I have wasted and would have wasted because of cannabis aimed grow lines. The industry is full of smoke an mirrors. Hydro shoo owners claiming inorganic products to be organic. Had a kid tell me all salt ferts are organic. They don't bother to pay for the sticker and that it take 5 years to cook soil.

What we are is the cape buffalo. The lion thinks the cape buffalo makes a good meal but the predator soon becomes the prey. Cape buffalo will kill lions to keep them from pickling off the herd. They literally hunt them down and kill them.

However @Ecompost is passionate and will talk with you one on one. He isn't giving out the secret sauce but it's not snake oil. He develops using mixtures of aerobic and anaerobic processes like a Korean farming hybrid. Cool as guy and loaded with info.[/QUOTE
in tests we got plenty of worms using our own saliva to kick start processes in my own garden which was a dessert when we arrived

Organikz · Oct 8, 2017

So you spit on the ground a lot? Lmao just playing. I don't follow. Sounds like you've been mitigating for a while. Get some rest bud.

brazel · Oct 8, 2017

Organikz said:
@Ecompost wouldn't the upper animal with saliva be the plant itself exuding carbohydrates or the worms. Their whole body secretes enzymes for bacteria to feed on no?. That's basically what the MBP does is recreate the process of exudation.

Mimicking on a larger scale to allow nutrients to become.available before the plant signals for them.
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I'm a lil confused. Worms secrete enzymes through their skin? Mbp exudation?

Organikz · Oct 8, 2017

brazel said:
I'm a lil confused. Worms secrete enzymes through their skin? Mbp exudation?

Amylase is the enzyme in our saliva and it's also in malted barley flour. Worms also secrete it. People think worms eat solid matter. Well they do but it passes right through however enzymes are infused into it. You also notice how slimy worms are...thats their saliva. They go through the dirt depositing saliva. This helps break down organic matter into a form that the worm gains nutritional value from. They eat bacterial slime.

Organikz · Oct 8, 2017

Let's continue here
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/calling-out-the-organic-growing-machines.91051/

Organikz · Oct 8, 2017

So I believe this is a predatory wasp in my house? This behind the couch. Sorry for the dirt lol. Need to clean that today.

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

Ecompost said:
I grew the Roy a while back. Its lovely smoke. I hit my male White Walker Kush on to my selected Lee Roy to make Roy Walker. Roy Walker was a dude that used to be on a show called catchphrase, so its aka Catchphrase Kush :) its a winner over here, people love it. Got more bulk to the stems, left the flavor as the lime kushy roy I hit it on, but gave more frost so its a good extract and hash plant now :)

it was damn great smoke to,i loved it

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

Ecompost said:
ha so cool. I am super chuffed buddy. i feel that BOX was a gateway for you to explore your own potential more fully. BOX is not about plants and soil mate, its about life. All life. You have no idea how much i am smiling to hear you now. Fetching your own parts to make your own lines, caring for the soil, its actors and the compost with a quiet knowing now. Its this higher engagement that gives us what we need to live better. its about protecting yourself from those that might otherwise seek to trap your mind and so limit your freedom and capacity
Better organix is a door, some people chose to fling it open and run inside the massive hall, joining the new wave of biological mimics, others want to peek through the cracks while they build surety from observation and consumption. It is nothing spectacular if you know life, but it can help push us to think more, or push us to yield more while we wait for our brains to process what we see :)
To really know KAMINO is to understand more about life...your life, the lives of your loved ones, and even people you will never meet. no joke, we are little more than walking bottles of KAMINO ourselves :)

hahaha,ya just made some soil for the new babies in a few weeks,used the the bio,media pro,and watered it in on top,decided to go with 1-1-1 this time,happy frog,coco,perlite,,these weeds will gro in anything,but do best in fluffy soil,blows my mind every time i wash out coco ,i think how many folk just run with it,uhhh nasty looking shit,,but ya been using the kamino on everything as foilar i swear these sweet potato plants have done the best,got a few vines shooting threw the fence,i highly doubt they will make taters this late in season but dont know,whacky ass weather we have,,but main goal was to produce a shit load of slips for spring,,these damn things take forever to pop dirt and the slip you can cut them things all winter and have them fresh when time comes to plant,lol took 3 more cuts of the hurricane weed and used a little kamino in my bubbler they havent fell over yet since friday

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

Ecompost said:
fair point bro, and dont ever anyone feel they cant speak what they find brother. We, well Alan Robin etc are just updating the website to our own space, this will give us a greater freedom to discuss our products.
We set up shopify because of outside pressure to list asap but its very limiting, a mono culture type of platform if you like and its less than ideal. We can write more on shopify, but people struggle with the way the backend links data and so do we...in coming weeks this will change. i am told we are pretty much ready to flick the switch.

Everything is either grown by us, or collected by us or a close network of like minded humans. its the usual stuff that gets mentioned as above, its plants that are high in N, P or K, simple things like nettles, comfrey, banana flowers, and then its grains of various types, its proteins like chlorella, hemp, pollen, and green lipped mussels, its natural plant sugars, its fermented insect waste.
Differences perhaps in how we ferment and perhaps we use some plant matter that isnt commonly understood or may be it cant be grown everywhere, and we add certain biology to help where its missing, eg most shop soils subjected to pasteurization. While we wont give you the exact process, we will happily tell you whats inside anything we make, we can tell you from where it was sourced, we can tell you how many carbon miles each component has as an overhead and anyone can come and visit us to get more inside scope Of course anyone wanting to understand our fermentation can just like we did, go and discuss it with industry experts who do it everyday :)
We are open, but i wont tell you whats in my wifes bedside drawer right :)

hahahaha theres my boy,lmao,,i love the products you provide just got a mess more,perfect timing too,them in flower needed some loving and got it,,the new soil for next 7 is already soil drenched with the media pro and ready to roll,just waiting on roots from the cloner,,bro after i put that extra LAB and rice and curd,my compost pile has gone to soil ,so well im gonna keep raking them leaves into it up to first december and then use come spring,,weather been kinda whacky so havent put my rice water under that shroom out front,mainly havent had motivation to try and score any other life from around property to help in the process,lmao i been down with this back ,i did make a brew friday night with that compost and potato,got a nice feeding ring around top of 33 gal can this morning,time to feed everyting,lmao

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

Ecompost said:
my friend just gave me Morigna and i have black locus for bio mass, making char and standard chipping/ wood stove application. I have so much still to plant and prices of Almonds just kicked my nutts hard. I am looking at Avocados to make up the tumbles of nut prices and low orange price too.
Can i use moringa extract in my fruit juice blends i wonder?

dont know,but picked me up a bag of pears and apples was gonna give FPJ a shot,probally more along the line of fermented fruit juice,,but any how a shot,not sure what the outcome would be,but thinking if nothing else the little critters would love the fruit juice,,i cant get banana flower any were near me,so will have to come up with something else,lol,besides if nothing else a apple and pear chaulk would light a good drunk in you lmao,,i drank some in prison made from peaches and apples taste wasnt the greatest but threw the dick down to the dirt lmao

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

brazel said:
Bro the whole plant is edible it's amazing SuperFood grab those leaves and stick them in your blender. I think it's one of the most nutrient-dense Foods available

did you know that even the roots from are plants are edible medicine,im gonna figure a way to break it down and start eating it,mama and me are in the need for meds,i got a bunch of wild lettuce going and come march be ready to harvest it,comfrey patch is in the works,but looking into some other medicinal stuff for MS i found the root from my damn weed plants hold some great opiate traits too,im sure yall know that but i didnt and passing along

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

Ecompost said:
i wont comment but I will post this...

thats it

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

brazel said:
Theres a saying that we know more about everything in the world then we do about the soil that's underneath our feet.

i kinda agree with that,but we dont know shit about the world either or it would be a better place,lol

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

Ecompost said:
oh and @oldskol4evr on biochar this link has others you might use too

thanks brother,i give it a check

oldskol4evr · Oct 8, 2017

Organikz said:
@Ecompost wouldn't the upper animal with saliva be the plant itself exuding carbohydrates or the worms. Their whole body secretes enzymes for bacteria to feed on no?. That's basically what the MBP does is recreate the process of exudation.

Mimicking on a larger scale to allow nutrients to become.available before the plant signals for them.

Glad you guys had this discussion. Here's why giys become cult like. Do you know how much money I have wasted and would have wasted because of cannabis aimed grow lines. The industry is full of smoke an mirrors. Hydro shoo owners claiming inorganic products to be organic. Had a kid tell me all salt ferts are organic. They don't bother to pay for the sticker and that it take 5 years to cook soil.

What we are is the cape buffalo. The lion thinks the cape buffalo makes a good meal but the predator soon becomes the prey. Cape buffalo will kill lions to keep them from pickling off the herd. They literally hunt them down and kill them.

However @Ecompost is passionate and will talk with you one on one. He isn't giving out the secret sauce but it's not snake oil. He develops using mixtures of aerobic and anaerobic processes like a Korean farming hybrid. Cool as guy and loaded with info.

i completly agree,my weed is great for me but others may think difrent,thats not what its about for me though,i love what is sitting outside my house,1 up the hill one down the hill,that is what keeps me alive and i enjoy it most,sales gimmicks are just that and we all do same thing to get the upper hand on the yield of all,comes out later than sooner it was a hokes,then if you have that burn in your heart you extend out on your own,we all have or methods,we all have killed more than recieved in the journey,when we exceed and pass it on,is the start journey for others,lmao,hell with politics and war,cause if i survive the end,i be a billion air with knowledge and SEEDS the real money hahahah,that damn eco blows my mind with his knowledge and i wasnt joking he is a mentor not only to me ,but to schools teaching kids this same shit,cool ass dude,shit i couldnt even sleep at night from what he got in his head,lmao at my age there isnt room for shooting in the dark to feed the families i do and organics is were it at for me,i eat some can foods and buy potato at store,but veggies even though they look great on the shelf all shinny and wet from crap to keep fresh,i dont buy,its up to me and these jars of veggies,lmao i went and bought more seeds yesterday for a fresh batch to make next years seeds,just like breeding some great herb,im addicted to both out and indoor growing,gotta say i love smoking weed ,but veg stage turns my old ass on,beauty all the way,then ruined by ugly ass buds hahahah

Organikz · Oct 8, 2017

Lol I think Alan was kicked in the ass after all that. Lol. I wanted

Organikz said:
But i understand the fight against the scourge known as the hydro industry. Flat out lying and it's okay....

Using psychological tricks to spin people in circles. I shit you not a kid told me a plant cant be grown without bottled nutes.

I know it's not happening but I feel like they're no different than a common mugger or con artist and should be I'm jail.

Remember what the masa says. The child playing in the mud understands nature better than the child sitting in class learning about nature. On what level does the understanding just need to stop? Just to allow things to be. Discriminate thinking comes into play if we don't.

I never came out and explained Alan but we do know were putting stuff back but it's all in the sauce. We don't say oh I need some nitrogen...better go get some blood meal or this or that. Read my sig. You still don't belieb me. Masa even says it here.

"The wheat that grows of its own accord from fallen seed" so you see seeds are the missing link. Unless we want to start seeding plants for fertilizer haha

New line of nutes...malted cannabis seeds.

Also lets say we got it all figured out we know nature like a child rhyme. Do we understand it as it is or as we perceive it. Sort of like diagnosing a problem or really knowing what you did exactly to correct it. I couldn't remember with my fungus gnats but it's because it wasn't just this one action but a combination, a trifecta if you will. Even now I started using 50/50 karanja/neem, BTI, and soap nut tea so which was it or was it the combo because that shit was like scorched earth.

Even I gave the credit to saponin tea because I'd been using the others. But maybe it wasn't the saponin alone but it being brought in to handle another small duty of the big task that may not have been covered....

Maybe that amount of saponin was finally enough to carry the neem down to the roots. I think you see where I'm going here. We offer a broad spectrum but knowing unnecessary things are in the sauce but not harmful...theyre just there.

Humus gives us that cushion.

Ecompost · Oct 10, 2017

oldskol4evr said:
i completly agree,my weed is great for me but others may think difrent,thats not what its about for me though,i love what is sitting outside my house,1 up the hill one down the hill,that is what keeps me alive and i enjoy it most,sales gimmicks are just that and we all do same thing to get the upper hand on the yield of all,comes out later than sooner it was a hokes,then if you have that burn in your heart you extend out on your own,we all have or methods,we all have killed more than recieved in the journey,when we exceed and pass it on,is the start journey for others,lmao,hell with politics and war,cause if i survive the end,i be a billion air with knowledge and SEEDS the real money hahahah,that damn eco blows my mind with his knowledge and i wasnt joking he is a mentor not only to me ,but to schools teaching kids this same shit,cool ass dude,shit i couldnt even sleep at night from what he got in his head,lmao at my age there isnt room for shooting in the dark to feed the families i do and organics is were it at for me,i eat some can foods and buy potato at store,but veggies even though they look great on the shelf all shinny and wet from crap to keep fresh,i dont buy,its up to me and these jars of veggies,lmao i went and bought more seeds yesterday for a fresh batch to make next years seeds,just like breeding some great herb,im addicted to both out and indoor growing,gotta say i love smoking weed ,but veg stage turns my old ass on,beauty all the way,then ruined by ugly ass buds hahahah

why people wouldnt want it in their gardens, just for show even is beyond me...