Buildasoil vs FFOF Soil: Indoor Side By Side Organic Grow Review

brazel said:

Nah bro I'm not mad about anything but I am passionate about growing and 90% of cannabis related companies are bullshit, myths, lies and just dumb.

If an organic living soil grower is using bone or blood meal then he's not an organic living soil grower. Fish bone is an exception.

Can you please tell me what other organic inputs that are sourced horribly?

I didn't read the whole website, all I read was what I posted which said everything your plant needs... which if you read above, it falls into the bullshit lies myths and just plain dumb.

I shouldn't have to read the faqs to get additional info that's not on the product page on their website.

Anything a plant grows in is the medium.
I'm not a fan of super soil either.

Have you smoked organic living soil grown herb?

Inside or outside if you're doing it properly there would be no smell or anything like that. And talking about proper wouldn't the plant in general be more proper outside!?

Please don't think I'm attacking or being rude towards you or anyone.

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You are so irrationally upset about a growing medium I have to tell you again the last paragraph of the ad copy talks about needing fertilizer. Just not right away.

And yes I have tried what you all now call living organic soil. I have seen more than a few caregivers fail at that one. And just about everyone posting threads online and pretty quickly. There have been a couple of preaching organic "gurus" posting here the last few months and I never even get to see their garden flower before the get embarrassed and stop posting.

And they get so mad about the topic I. Every discussion.

There is no science that supports any organic argument.

And organic is a marketing term to get growers to buy things just like hydro is.

A government subsidized agency decides what you get to call organic.

And I have had the "pleasure" of smelling my old caregiver make teas.

I have also had excellent in ground and in Greenhouse soil grown weed. It tends to be much better than any attempts at indoor organics I have tried.

But my indoor hybrid grown weed is better and has tested much higher in potency according to the lab and dispensary I worked with and the patients.

But of course grower skill is also a variable so I'm sure some make it work.

Yea man, idk what happened and why the seeds didn’t pop.

brazel said:

My point exactly, it's not to hot. If it was then how did your five other seeds sprouted? And to say you got lucky, five out five would be beyond lucky. Anaerobic if anything. Plus you're watering it too much. No such thing as too big of a pot for seed to sprout. The seed has no idea where it's at or how big of an area it's in, it just sprouts.

RO is too clean imo.

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Ok so yea 5 out of 5 is beyond luck I agree, but you went missing and I haven’t had anyone to guide me! Lol

On the site it says to do 1 gallon or water a day in veg and about 1.5-2 in flower, all the same I’m using a super gentle hand sprayer so the soil is never soaked, just moist. If you think I should cut back I wil.

Ok if RO is too clean then how about that filter you shoulder me? Think we can figure out a way to rigg it to the 55gal drum and attach a hose with the filter so I can water??

Let’s do this man!!

brazel said:

What plants know , teaming with microbes, teaming with nutrients, teaming with fungi are some good books to start with

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I listened to all the kis podcast and loved them so much I’m lostening again lol.

I’m gonna download those books tomorrow. They look really interesting and like they have tons of information since this guy is like The Godfather of it

Cityfarmin said:

Yea man, idk what happened and why the seeds didn’t pop.



Ok so yea 5 out of 5 is beyond luck I agree, but you went missing and I haven’t had anyone to guide me! Lol

On the site it says to do 1 gallon or water a day in veg and about 1.5-2 in flower, all the same I’m using a super gentle hand sprayer so the soil is never soaked, just moist. If you think I should cut back I wil.

Ok if RO is too clean then how about that filter you shoulder me? Think we can figure out a way to rigg it to the 55gal drum and attach a hose with the filter so I can water??

Let’s do this man!!

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Yo, I would ignore directions that tell you how much water to use. The fact that they said that is one of those things and falls into the category of that's just plain dumb. There's no way they can tell you how much water to use there's too many variables to factor in. And I'm sure that came from foxfarm correct? I can't picture Jeremy saying anything like that.

Some people like RO water, I just prefer not to use it. Not to mention the waste water!

You can use the filter when you're filling up the water on that hose or you can get a submersible water pump with a hose and a watering wand.

What size are your containers for the fox farm? A gallon is way too much water it hasn't even sprouted yet. What's your humidity?

MIMedGrower said:

You are so irrationally upset about a growing medium I have to tell you again the last paragraph of the ad copy talks about needing fertilizer. Just not right away.

And yes I have tried what you all now call living organic soil. I have seen more than a few caregivers fail at that one. And just about everyone posting threads online and pretty quickly. There have been a couple of preaching organic "gurus" posting here the last few months and I never even get to see their garden flower before the get embarrassed and stop posting.

And they get so mad about the topic I. Every discussion.

There is no science that supports any organic argument.

And organic is a marketing term to get growers to buy things just like hydro is.

A government subsidized agency decides what you get to call organic.

And I have had the "pleasure" of smelling my old caregiver make teas.

I have also had excellent in ground and in Greenhouse soil grown weed. It tends to be much better than any attempts at indoor organics I have tried.

But my indoor hybrid grown weed is better and has tested much higher in potency according to the lab and dispensary I worked with and the patients.

But of course grower skill is also a variable so I'm sure some make it work.

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I I hear you on the organic marketing! I don't buy any of that shit either! I get natural amendments from companies that are not cannabis-related. Any bottle of nutrients that says organic in my opinion is not organic. There's tons of research on organic and it is real science by scientist soil biologist... etc not Ed Rossignol Jorge Cervantes and all the others.

I'm just merely stating my opinion what I prefer and what I think about stuff.

I haven't made teas in a long time. They're beneficial but my soil doesn't need it

You can grow in whatever you want I'm not mad at you!
Nor am I mad I'm just engaging in the conversation perhaps debating ha

There's a bunch of shit organic out there man that's for sure! Not mine though :)

Cheers

brazel said:

Yo, I would ignore directions that tell you how much water to use. The fact that they said that is one of those things and falls into the category of that's just plain dumb. There's no way they can tell you how much water to use there's too many variables to factor in. And I'm sure that came from foxfarm correct? I can't picture Jeremy saying anything like that.

Some people like RO water, I just prefer not to use it. Not to mention the waste water!

You can use the filter when you're filling up the water on that hose or you can get a submersible water pump with a hose and a watering wand.

What size are your containers for the fox farm? A gallon is way too much water it hasn't even sprouted yet. What's your humidity?

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I’m pretty sure the water instructions were on build a soil and fox farm container is 15 gal, I can’t run a hose to fill up the drum, the slop sink is on the hallway of the building in the space I rent and would cause too much attention. I fill the drum with a 4 gallon bucket, it takes forever but once it’s full I’m guessing 55 gallons will last me awhile and my RH is 50-60% I’m gonna buy a humidifier tomorrow

Cityfarmin said:

I’m pretty sure the water instructions were on build a soil and fox farm container is 15 gal, I can’t run a hose to fill up the drum, the slop sink is on the hallway of the building in the space I rent and would cause too much attention. I fill the drum with a 4 gallon bucket, it takes forever but once it’s full I’m guessing 55 gallons will last me awhile and my RH is 50-60% I’m gonna buy a humidifier tomorrow

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Your humidity is good. Word.
I looked thru build a soil but couldn't find it.

Yea I’m not 100% sure it was build a soil. But I check the soil every day and it’s not ever soaked, just lightly moist. The plant seems to be good, but since you said it was too much water (and you know your build a soil) I didn’t water last night. I’m gonna water today lightly.

You know where I can buy a good humic acid? I found it online but I’m not sure they are 100% organic or even how to tell, found it in powder form/ soluble and liquid form. I’m assuming the powder is the best way to go and that the liquid won’t be fully organic and is just another mass produced Commercial product.

Hit me back with some info bro and lmk know what you think I can do to convert that drum, maybe put a hose attachment at the bottom of it so the pressure pushes the water through the hose? Then I can attach the filter you were showing me?
@brazel

Bro I just downloaded those book btw. So I got some homework to do ;)

@Cityfarmin I just scooped this up and I'm stoked on it but haven't used it long enough to give a proper review. That being said Jeremy wouldn't steer you wrong so even know I haven't used it more than two weeks I have no doubt it's baller! Not to mention he worked with Dr. Faust from bio ag. Ful power is awesome fulvic as is all their products.

https://buildasoil.com/products/buildasoil-big-6

If it's moist and you have no run off, you're good. I was talking about the ffof might be over watered.

brazel said:

If it's moist and you have no run off, you're good. I was talking about the ffof might be over watered.

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No run off and the FFOF is just moist as well. I downloaded the books ad I’m workig through em.

Today is day 10

The build a soil is moving along nicely. I lowered the lights a few days ago and been watching the seedling. Seems pretty happy.
I watered today with a compost tea that I breeed for 36 hours. I got the compost from a local all organic plant material only community spot near me. I used their compost before and watched them working, so I know they aren’t doing any dumb shit to the compost. The tea smelled great and the color was nice. Here’s a pic of the plant so far

Here

Just for the hell of it here’s some pics of my GG4 and Green Cookies. The GG4 is a really beautiful plant and is stacking on nicely

On the 55g water container, might start adding humic acid to Eliminate the chloramine and bubble out the chlorine.
Instead of filter

brazel said:

On the 55g water container, might start adding humic acid to Eliminate the chloramine and bubble out the chlorine.
Instead of filter

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I’m placing an order for the stuff you told me about tomorrow from Jeremy

brazel said:

On the 55g water container, might start adding humic acid to Eliminate the chloramine and bubble out the chlorine.
Instead of filter

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where should i buy the humid acid at?

Cityfarmin said:

where should i buy the humid acid at?

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FulPower is top shelf. Very high availability.

Cityfarmin said:

where should i buy the humid acid at?

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from Jeremy, ful power
@Organikz totally!

@brazel
Should we start him on bluejays routine. It's so simple and iys good and you slowly understand the inputs. After that it's a feel thing.

Mendella seed co has an extensive group of help pages.
As they guarantee their seeds, helping growers get a good germination rate is important.
They promote "direct sow" with seeds placed on their side in a shallow hole.
This eliminates many of the fail points to seed starts.

I know from experience that seeds vary greatly in the speed of water uptake.
The most common cause of bulk failure to germinate is drowning.

Just hoping this notion might get traction here.
I will admit to still on occasion using paper towels, but carefully and not often.